UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #3

[Amster]

I wonder if he took the gifts that Susan bought the boys? Probably not...:furious:

 

[CCup]

I wonder if he took the gifts that Susan bought the boys? Probably not...:furious:

The thought of these little boys celebrating Christmas without their mother makes me ill. I hope like hell he does not give them the gifts that she bought them and say they are from him. Not that they will know the difference, but the thought of it still makes me ill.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I have asked myself this same (rhetorical) question over and over mc... we've heard NADA from JP re his reaction to his wife's sudden and mysterious VANISHING upon their unsuspecting return. The fact is he's had nothing to say except "I wouldn't know where to begin to look." How lame is that.

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Interesting comment by Mr. Cox.



http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897

On Friday, the Coxes told The Salt Lake Tribune that Steven Powell isn't actively

helping in the search for their daughter. The Coxes said they've had "issues" with Steven Powell in the past and aren't comfortable being around himPS.............sorry SusanB. I see you already mentioned this....fran

One of JP's relatives is referred to in article as BP, perhaps this could possibly be where that remark comes from...

arrot:

 

[mysticrose]

I don't think foreign countries care about the DP with regard to extradition when it concerns an American national. They'd just rather have such people the heck out of their country.

Hi gitana....Canada does care actually because they do not believe in the DP,
there has been a few cases where americans have fled to Canada and in order to extradite them back the DP had to be taken off the table....

 

[Texas Mist]

Joshy couldn't take the heat in Utah's kitchen so he got out...well now.

Here's a guy who was at home on Saturdays but Susan had a sitter coming over to watch the boys....was that because Joshy really wasn't into watching them for 8 hours or so & doing all that's required for caring for 2yo & 4yo?

If he's like other whacked out dads, he really never is completely responsible for *everything* - breakfast, lunch, dinner, bathing, playing, putting them down for naps -- it's all too demanding & requires he give of himself.

He's really in a quandary now -- doesn't want other people spending too much time w/ his kids, but yet, he probably isn't really into being there 24x7 & giving selflessly of his own time...especially being all 'overwhelmed' and 'stressed out'....poor little babies are missing their momma - are they asking their dad "when will mommy be home?"....do they cry @ night missing her?

Not to mention that now he's just down the road from Susan's parents and from what I've read, the local news media has been actively reporting on this case -- and local LE was already involved in the investigation from the get-go.

Susan has lots of friends in Puyallup who care about her -- does he think people are just gonna stop staring & glaring at him??

Oh - and back living w/ daddy who sounds like a real piece of work himself.

No stress there. :huge eye roll:

(if indeed he *is* back in WA)

IMO, the pressure is still building, and flames are getting hotter under the boiling pot he's found himself in.

 

[kiki the parrot]

No prob, Fran. I'm thinking that Steven Powell is probably as unpleasant and self-serving as JP. You know, like father like son. Only speculation here, but SP may have backed up JP in many regards, thus angering the Cox side of the family. Wonder if there are any specific incidents that the "issues" refers to.:waitasec:

Well his dad SP won't help search either... then again, he also probably knows what they would find......

arrot:

 

[Fairy1]

The thought of these little boys celebrating Christmas without their mother makes me ill. I hope like hell he does not give them the gifts that she bought them and say they are from him. Not that they will know the difference, but the thought of it still makes me ill.

He will. IMO.

 

[SusanB]

im thinking he will not want the kids around anyone to avoid them being asked questions(at least the 4yr.old) for fear of having a "balloon boy" episode ... it sort of sounds like to me that joshys' daddy wants to protect them from the bad police and reporters. the comments from his dad really make my skin crawl - MAJOR FAIL

Very good point Nellie, the four year old (I heard he will be 5 in couple weeks) definitely can speak for himself very well unless he has some kind of problem. I still think that child and the diary will be keys to the case. Little children have a hard time holding in secrets - although I am sure Daddy-O counseled him about what to say to whom, but in time the little one will talk.
Now dumbbass Joshy is thinking he can run away, and all his troubles will dissipate while his wife's body decomposes in some ravine in the wilderness. In a way, that does make sense to a murderer - the longer it takes to find the body, the less incriminating evidence there will be. Remember Casey Anthony? Little Caylee's body was just skeletal, therefore, no definitive cause of death could be determined. Cannot check Chloroform levels, strangulation markings, etc. The longer it takes to find Susan, the less likely COD can be determined - cannot check for poison, drugs, method, etc,
Joshy boy's just biding his time.:furious:

 

[passionflower]

I am very worried about Susan's sons.........
crying and fussing with a crazy father that can't handle it for
8 hours on a sat let alone 24/7........
temper and lack of sleep etc.......
We all know about the terrible 2's and 4 year olds that chat and chat!!!
He's a bomb ready to explode.
LE should arrest him for child endangerment !!!!

 

[SusanB]

I have asked myself this same (rhetorical) question over and over mc... we've heard NADA from JP re his reaction to his wife's sudden and mysterious VANISHING upon their unsuspecting return. The fact is he's had nothing to say except "I wouldn't know where to begin to look." How lame is that.

arrot:

I am very worried about Susan's sons.........
crying and fussing with a crazy father that can't handle it for
8 hours on a sat let alone 24/7........
temper and lack of sleep etc.......
We all know about the terrible 2's and 4 year olds that chat and chat!!!
He's a bomb ready to explode.
LE should arrest him for child endangerment !!!!

Yea, and I doubt he will go to the Cox's for help. Must be staying with the Powells. I'm sure he is losing his damn mind, tho. Does not seem he really did much of the child care - other than last minute camping trips in subfreezing temps, making s'mores, and driving endlessly for miles.:crazy:

 

[lemonmoussetart]

He may give the gifts to them, but only to win them over as he may need them, especially the 4 yr old.

However, with 0 income now--can also see him returning them for the $ before he left.

He knows other family members will come forward with gifts. Would the kids remember who gave what?

 

[nervous_nellie]

susans family have never said anything off color about josh or his family, so for them to say that they do not feel comfortable around sp is very telling and something BIG must have happened at some point - i wonder if this "something" happened before or after susan went missing? or it is a summation of their entire relationship with jp's dad. it would be hard to have a bad experience with the father and not have seen any problems with his son, kwim? sorta getting the idea that jp is the spitting image of sp...

 

[omegagal]

I think they have enough evidence on Joshy. What they don't want is for him to kill himself or those kids before results of DNA testing comes back. So they have to let him have control. I remember when they went to arrest OJ, he was supposed to come in on his own and didn't show. First he went to Nicoles grave. Then someone recognized him on the highway and called the police. So OJ put a gun to his head for all to see. LE sent in a detective with lots of forensic psych experience to OJs home to talk him into going with them. Meanwhile the media and onlookers were everywhere around that house. It would take 50 minutes of talking but they did it. Because they knew how to deal with a narcissist. Here is an interesting excerpt from CNN transcripts on OJ and his narcissism. I think Joshy is a narcissist as well. I think his dad let him get away with a lot of bad behavior enforcing it over the years. I also think Joshy thought since he presided over the home as the man, that he interpreted that to mean he "ruled" over the house. I bet his mom and sister could give us a perspective on that... but probably won't...

DIMOND: Brian Russell is a psychologist. Brian, let me just ask you here real quickly, what kind of personality are we dealing with her with O.J. Simpson? This guy, he just cannot seem to keep his name out of the headlines. What`s the matter with him?

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, Diane, to me, O.J. Simpson is the classic malignant narcissist. You know, when somebody`s talent is identified as early in life as O.J.`s was, oftentimes what happens is people stop trying to develop anything else in that person but the talent. And at the same time, they excuse them from responsibility. They don`t hold them accountable. They let them get away with things. And so what you end up with is somebody who`s a small-minded individual who thinks they`re a really big deal. And you add on top of that lots of free time and plenty of money, and it`s almost a recipe for trouble.

 

[fran]

I am very worried about Susan's sons.........
crying and fussing with a crazy father that can't handle it for
8 hours on a sat let alone 24/7........
temper and lack of sleep etc.......
We all know about the terrible 2's and 4 year olds that chat and chat!!!
He's a bomb ready to explode.
LE should arrest him for child endangerment !!!!

I only pray that the Cox family take seriously the fragile state this guy is in. They honestly couldn't get those two boys away from him fast enough, IMHO. The weepy persona he's in, I don't think it's all made-up, I truly believe he feels trapped. Thus the RUNNING!


We've seen too much of this sort of thing this year. I truly believe those children's lives are in danger. I only hope other members, of Josh's family, realize the seriousness of this situation and stop hiding behind the locked gates and think of someone else for a change. These two little innocent boys!

JMHO
fran

 

[Tricia]

Forgive me, Forgive me Forgive me if this has already been discussed. I am running in and out and I have been meaning to post this.

I think he poisoned her at dinner, the wet spot on the rug was vomit.

Here is why;

He doesn't seem like someone who would kill someone with their bare hands. IMO.

Susan felt ill after dinner and went to lay down. Poison in the dinner perhaps?

Susan may have gotten up, threw up on the rug, and that was the wet spot.

If it was blood I think we would have heard about it by now and he would have been arrested.

Now, I have not read this thread yet so I am probably posting things that have already been discussed and therefore I will look like an idiot. Happens all the time.

OK, I'll read the thread late tonight.

Keep up the good work.

Tricia

 

[omegagal]

A great article in Psychology Today, Evil and the Death of Innocence.

Seems we have the hardest time recognizing evil in people... It also talks about parenting...Steven are you listening???? Because we are....
It talks about the student flying into a rage for not getting the grades he wants. I have read my narcissistic X's journal where in undergraduate school, he went to go see a professor and wrote "how did he expect me to get into Harvard Law School with the grades he gave me". Wish I had seen that journal before I married him. Maybe I should have sent a copy of it to the newest bride....lol

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200811/evil-and-the-death-innocence

 

[SusanB]

I think they have enough evidence on Joshy. What they don't want is for him to kill himself or those kids before results of DNA testing comes back. So they have to let him have control. I remember when they went to arrest OJ, he was supposed to come in on his own and didn't show. First he went to Nicoles grave. Then someone recognized him on the highway and called the police. So OJ put a gun to his head for all to see. LE sent in a detective with lots of forensic psych experience to OJs home to talk him into going with them. Meanwhile the media and onlookers were everywhere around that house. It would take 50 minutes of talking but they did it. Because they knew how to deal with a narcissist. Here is an interesting excerpt from CNN transcripts on OJ and his narcissism. I think Joshy is a narcissist as well. I think his dad let him get away with a lot of bad behavior enforcing it over the years. I also think Joshy thought since he presided over the home as the man, that he interpreted that to mean he "ruled" over the house. I bet his mom and sister could give us a perspective on that... but probably won't...

DIMOND: Brian Russell is a psychologist. Brian, let me just ask you here real quickly, what kind of personality are we dealing with her with O.J. Simpson? This guy, he just cannot seem to keep his name out of the headlines. What`s the matter with him?

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, Diane, to me, O.J. Simpson is the classic malignant narcissist. You know, when somebody`s talent is identified as early in life as O.J.`s was, oftentimes what happens is people stop trying to develop anything else in that person but the talent. And at the same time, they excuse them from responsibility. They don`t hold them accountable. They let them get away with things. And so what you end up with is somebody who`s a small-minded individual who thinks they`re a really big deal. And you add on top of that lots of free time and plenty of money, and it`s almost a recipe for trouble.

Great research, Omega. My question is what talent does loser Josh have? All he seems to be good at is ordering his family around, creating off the wall fabrications, and acting his butt off! He THINKS he is "about something" but sad to say, he's totally not.
That evaluation also applies to Tiger Woods to a "T".
The folks who are running this investigation know what's up - he has to feel like "He's the man" and in control, so they are going along with that idea, waiting for him to screw up or give up. the problem is the poor little ones are with him, and all we can do is pray for their safety until the crime is solved one way or another.

 

[omegagal]

Great research, Omega. My question is what talent does loser Josh have? All he seems to be good at is ordering his family around, creating off the wall fabrications, and acting his butt off! He THINKS he is "about something" but sad to say, he's totally not.
That evaluation also applies to Tiger Woods to a "T".
The folks who are running this investigation know what's up - he has to feel like "He's the man" and in control, so they are going along with that idea, waiting for him to screw up or give up. the problem is the poor little ones are with him, and all we can do is pray for their safety until the crime is solved one way or another.

Susan I was trying to be subtle there but here's what I wrote in the previous post, not wanting to get into any "religious discussions":

I think Joshy is a narcissist as well. I think his dad let him get away with a lot of bad behavior enforcing it over the years. I also think Joshy thought since he presided over the home as the man, that he interpreted that to mean he "ruled" over the house. I bet his mom and sister could give us a perspective on that... but probably won't...

If you want to email me directly I will be glad to explain the culture more fully "off board".

 

[LaLaw2000]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14037897[/URL]
updated 7:26pm mst[/QUOTE]

This article mentions Michael C. Powell. That is Josh's brother that was a delegate from the 2nd District. (Obama Delegate). If you go to obamadelegates.org, you can find a short biography he wrote for himself. When you get to the site, go to Delegates by State, scroll to Washington, click, then look at 2nd District Delegates. You can click on Michael C. Powell, and see a pic and read his biography. Interesting. I suppose I can put this on here because it was mentioned in the newspaper article.

Is anyone familiar with City of Rocks in Washington State? I saw a pic that I thought might be of Josh and Michaels' Mom entitled Grandma - City of Rocks.

Intresting place if it is indeed in Washington State. Could Josh have driven there and back during the 17 hours he was gone?

ETA: Link does not work on my post, but does on Dreamweavers (thanks, Dreamweaver) on the previous page.

JMO