VA - 6-YEAR-OLD in custody after shooting teacher, Newport News, Jan 2023 *mom charged* #2

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  • #401
I heard that the reason he had to have a parent at school with him was because those parents were refusing to have him evaluated. I've heard of parents (okay, mothers) encouraging their children to misbehave in school, etc. so they can get "crazy checks" for them, if they can find a crooked doctor to sign off on the paperwork.

Deja Taylor and Abigail Zwerner are two 25-year-old women who took VERY different roads in life, that's for sure.
If parents work, the child is generally not qualified to receive social security checks, based on a parent's income. Children of working parents only become eligible for SSDI at 18.

If this child was "acting", he should win an Oscar.

IMHO

Ps. I noticed the similar ages of Mom and teacher, too. Imho
 
  • #402
Yes. Agreed. This is way beyond the scope that any teacher or school social worker can address.

I "get" parents not wanting their children in alternative classrooms. That said, one would expect the school administration to take a more rational approach especially since this kid had almost a two year history of extremely violent behavior.

Its strange ..this kid's tenure at school coincided almost exactly with the administration's desire to get rid of RSOs and LE on campus and they went full fledged restorative justice. Imho

ETA. There are still no RSOs on campus at least as if a January article. (I know Denver schools were entertaining the return of RSO's after their East End shooting. They had voted to have them removed so as not to add to the school to prison pipeline).

The shooting happened inside a classroom so it is unlikely a school resource office could have prevented it. What appalls me is that students reported the gun and school administrators did nothing.
 
  • #403
Why isn't he being charged with neglect as well?
It's possible, and in fact not unlikely IMNSHO, that she does not know who the father is, and if she does, never told him that she was pregnant, and if she did tell him, he's in prison or some other situation where he can't have contact.
 
  • #404
Yes. In my opinion it's likely that the school will sue her for whatever their liability insurance doesn't cover in the eventual settlement.
I agree from a liability perspective.

There's "talk" of possible criminal proceeding of school officials and the possibility of seating another grand jury per articles posted today?

I'm doubtful that such a thing will happen. I suspect the school's defense will be their school policy which promotes keeping behavioral problems in the classroom to end the school to prison pipeline and to assist the child with behaviors in becoming a "good citizen". Schools across the country are doing this, as a policy put in place by school boards, superintendents and in some cases ..state law.

Imho
 
  • #405
One wonders if this woman has any other children, and what THEY are like.
 
  • #406
The shooting happened inside a classroom so it is unlikely a school resource office could have prevented it. What appalls me is that students reported the gun and school administrators did nothing.


I disagree. Resource officers are responsible for a multitude of tasks beyond guarding the door. A school resource officer could have been notified of the possibility of a weapon on campus, had a RSO been in place. The school resource officer could have searched the child or called Law Enforcement to do so. LE confirmed that they were not notified until after the fact.

A good, trained RSO can be very helpful on campus:





Evidently, discipline issues were addressed pretty similarly across the board and teachers and staff were not happy about it.


From link:

The latest example came this week in Newport News, Virginia, where teachers complained at a school board meeting that the school system where a 6-year-old shot his teacher had become too lenient with students. Students who assaulted staff were routinely allowed to stay in the classroom, they said, because of a misguided focus on keeping them in school.

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There are several other links on these threads regarding staff's unhappiness regarding discipline going back two to three years.
 
  • #407
I'm glad to see that the child's mom has been charged. I'm still wondering about earlier reports that the school was informed that he may have a weapon, prior to his arrival. I hope we get to see this mom soon. I do have another question. Both the former principal and assistant Principals last names are Parker. Does anyone know if they are related?
 
  • #408
Someone posted to the effect ---Maybe prosecutor wants to SLITHER OUT (my wording, not OP's) of prosecuting this, kick it up to state level.
IIUC, in some (most?) states, it's unusual for state's AG's ofc to try crim cases, at least without a specific statute authorizing it.

Per this VA.statute:
"Code of Virginia
"Chapter 5. Department of Law » Chapter 5. Department of Law » "Article 1. General Provisions
"§ 2.2-511. Criminal cases.
"A. Unless specifically requested by the Governor to do so, the Attorney General shall have no authority to institute or conduct criminal prosecutions in the circuit courts of the Commonwealth except in cases involving ..."

Long laundry list of exceptions does not seem to apply to this crim case, imo.
So, unless the Governor requests, Howard Gwynn cannot kick It up to Richmond VA, imo

For anyone wondering about possible appeals of this case & VA AG'S possible role, statute continues:
"In all other criminal cases in the circuit courts, except where the law provides otherwise, the authority of the Attorney General to appear or participate in the proceedings shall not attach unless and until a notice of appeal has been filed with the clerk of the circuit court noting an appeal to the Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court.

://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter5/section2.2-511/
 
  • #409
I'm glad to see that the child's mom has been charged. I'm still wondering about earlier reports that the school was informed that he may have a weapon, prior to his arrival. I hope we get to see this mom soon. I do have another question. Both the former principal and assistant Principals last names are Parker. Does anyone know if they are related?
Are you thinking of the case in Michigan with Ethan Crumbly? That school was notified he might have a weapon, if I recall correctly. I do not remember this happening in the case of the 6 year old.
 
  • #410
I'm glad to see that the child's mom has been charged. I'm still wondering about earlier reports that the school was informed that he may have a weapon, prior to his arrival. I hope we get to see this mom soon. I do have another question. Both the former principal and assistant Principals last names are Parker. Does anyone know if they are related?
I'm not sure if they are related. Hmmmm.
 
  • #411
Was your child in, near or affected by a police-involved shooting?*
Have you been charged w murder on the high seas?

James Ellenson, Attorney at Law.** He's your go to guy.

____________________________________
* Link on his website to WAVY.com May 20, 2019 page:
"● Video shows moments surrounding police-involved shooting in Hampton"
I got a 404, then did not find any other info. Maybe a sleuther w better Google-fu can find specifics re Ellenson rep'ing fam of child. Civil? Criminal? Not clear to me.

** "James Ellenson is a general practice, commercial and criminal attorney.... in 2019, he represented a family whose child was involved in a police officer shooting and in 2013, he represented a Somali pirate who was charged with high sea murder."
 
  • #412
I disagree. Resource officers are responsible for a multitude of tasks beyond guarding the door. A school resource officer could have been notified of the possibility of a weapon on campus, had a RSO been in place. The school resource officer could have searched the child or called Law Enforcement to do so. LE confirmed that they were not notified until after the fact.

A good, trained RSO can be very helpful on campus:





Evidently, discipline issues were addressed pretty similarly across the board and teachers and staff were not happy about it.


From link:

The latest example came this week in Newport News, Virginia, where teachers complained at a school board meeting that the school system where a 6-year-old shot his teacher had become too lenient with students. Students who assaulted staff were routinely allowed to stay in the classroom, they said, because of a misguided focus on keeping them in school.

End Quote

There are several other links on these threads regarding staff's unhappiness regarding discipline going back two to three years.
Both the VA and Nashville shootings took place in elementary schools. I think it is very rare to have RSOs in elementary schools.

A school district can and should have stricter policies about how elementary school teachers and administrators address violent kids including requiring parents to have the violent child evaluated by a mental health professional before being allowed back in school.

JMO
 
  • #413
I'm glad to see that the child's mom has been charged. I'm still wondering about earlier reports that the school was informed that he may have a weapon, prior to his arrival. I hope we get to see this mom soon. I do have another question. Both the former principal and assistant Principals last names are Parker. Does anyone know if they are related?
That's a very common name, so it's possible, but less likely than, for instance, my own uncommon surname.
 
  • #414
A poster (sorry forgot who) said something about a long or time consuming drive, IIRC, for Mother to take child to school. If that was the ref, how many miles could it be?

Mother DT was charged w the crimes by NN prosecutor, which suggests to me that the crimes occurred at her HOME.
So seems imo, the home must be within NN CITY LIMITS for NN to prosecute.

Or could the charges be for her actions in having GUN IN CAR while driving child to school in NN and, not noticing child got it from, say, glovebox or her purse. A possibility? IDK.

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"Deja Taylor has been charged with felony child neglect and misdemeanor recklessly leaving a loaded firearm so as to endanger a child."
 
  • #415
Both the VA and Nashville shootings took place in elementary schools. I think it is very rare to have RSOs in elementary schools.

A school district can and should have stricter policies about how elementary school teachers and administrators address violent kids including requiring parents to have the violent child evaluated by a mental health professional before being allowed back in school.

JMO
The closest thing I've ever seen to this was in the small city where I used to live, at an elementary school in a quiet middle-class neighborhood - a school that was on permanent lockdown with a guard whom I am pretty sure was armed, at the entrance. That's because it was the school attended by children that age who lived at the local domestic violence shelter, and the guard was there whether any shelter kids went there or not.

I found this out when I helped a local garden club deliver unsold plants from their sale to this school; because I wasn't an employee or a parent, I had to leave them on the sidewalk and then the staff would bring them inside.
 
  • #416
The closest thing I've ever seen to this was in the small city where I used to live, at an elementary school in a quiet middle-class neighborhood - a school that was on permanent lockdown with a guard whom I am pretty sure was armed, at the entrance. That's because it was the school attended by children that age who lived at the local domestic violence shelter, and the guard was there whether any shelter kids went there or not.

I found this out when I helped a local garden club deliver unsold plants from their sale to this school; because I wasn't an employee or a parent, I had to leave them on the sidewalk and then the staff would bring them inside.
I can see that happening under those circumstances in order to keep the children safe from their abuser. Especially now that Courts are deciding the gun ownership rights of the abuser are protected priority rather than the safety of the child.

 
  • #417
Both the VA and Nashville shootings took place in elementary schools. I think it is very rare to have RSOs in elementary schools.

A school district can and should have stricter policies about how elementary school teachers and administrators address violent kids including requiring parents to have the violent child evaluated by a mental health professional before being allowed back in school.

JMO
Bbm. Understood. I was just responding to your point that an RSO couldn't have helped because the shooting occurred in the classroom. An RSO could have prevented this altogether. Imho
 
  • #418
Actually, FAS is 100% about the parents, or at least the mother. A woman who is going to drink enough during pregnancy to have an FAS child isn't going to be taking care of that child afterwards, and probably didn't pick the best man to reproduce with, either.

It is the #1 preventable cause of mental and physical disability.
I don't think I've heard mention that this child is suffering from FASD. Maybe I missed it.
But IMO his symptoms don't seem to match up with FASD.


There is no known safe amount of alcohol during pregnancy or when trying to get pregnant. There is also no safe time to drink during pregnancy. Alcohol can cause problems for a developing baby throughout pregnancy, including before a woman knows she’s pregnant. All types of alcohol are equally harmful, including all wines and beer.
To prevent FASDs, a woman should avoid alcohol if she is pregnant or might be pregnant. This is because a woman could get pregnant and not know for up to 4 to 6 weeks.


Symptoms of FADS
  • a small head
  • a smooth ridge between the upper lip and nose, small and wide-set eyes, a very thin upper lip, or other abnormal facial features
  • below average height and weight
  • hyperactivity
  • lack of focus
  • poor coordination
  • delayed development and problems in thinking, speech, movement, and social skills
  • poor judgment
  • problems seeing or hearing
  • learning disabilities
  • intellectual disability
  • heart problems
  • kidney defects and abnormalities
  • deformed limbs or fingers
  • mood swings
JMO
 
  • #419
A poster (sorry forgot who) said something about a long or time consuming drive, IIRC, for Mother to take child to school. If that was the ref, how many miles could it be?
(Snipped for focus) The original poster was hypothesizing on a social media account of someone with the name of the mother who worked a ways away, hence the long drive. Later they withdrew that connection, because the account was likely not her.
 
  • #420
Searched Virginia’s criminal records for Deja Nicole Taylor, and it looks like her only previous criminal offenses in Virginia were related to speeding (3 offenses) and having “improper brakelights.”

Virginia Judiciary Online Case Information System

Oh, in the 2022 Newport News civil court records, a Newport News resident with this name was the subject of an order garnishing her wages received from The Fragrance Outlet in 2022.

https://eapps.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/nameSearch.do
Its a garnish from the Commonwealth of VA, The Frangance Outlet, Suffork, VA is the employer. Dismissed 9/1/22 No funds
Moo
 
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