VA- 6-YEAR-OLD is in custody after shooting teacher

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i think we have seen from covid how ineffective that is as a long term solution to teaching.

As a teacher, I would never want that.

Some kids thrive online vs in person but if we have teacher shortages we may have no choice really.
Either that or we start taking safety in schools seriously and that also means removing troubled violent children from public schools and into specialized schools.
After COVID and school shootings, all my friends quit teaching and it's not a popular field to go into now. Needs 4-8 years of college education and low pay.

 

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I'm still trying to figure out why the child was late to school, arriving at 11:30. Why didn't he arrive at school at the regular start time? Does the fact that the child was late for school have something to do with his having the gun in his possession?

Who drove him to school?
I wish LE would give us updates.

 

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My experiences with so called “Behavior Coaches “ was that they were hands off observers till someone was bleeding or on the floor and then they made matters worse. Useless, apsolutely useless.

So they don't help the teachers? Just observe? weird.

 

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Just got here, this may have already been posted.

Lawyer: 6-year-old who shot teacher has ‘acute disability’

The family’s statement was released by an attorney and did not elaborate further on where the 9mm handgun was kept.

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Interesting that a parent was suppose to attend school with him.

and if it was an agreement why didn't they attend? If not could the teacher send him home because it wasn't part of the agreement?

 

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Also interested to know when and by whom it was determined that it was now safe for this child to attend school without an accompanying parent.

Prior emotional outbursts or behavioral issues?

 

[sandy_80]

i think its crucial to release his kind of disability if its legit...cause its important for other parents who are dealing with similar things
i said my cousin has a boy with a very severe disability with aggression case ..but he is a teen and there are no accessibility to anything dangerous.. id say even knives are not accessible

 

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i think its crucial to release his kind of disability if its legit...cause its important for other parents who are dealing with similar things
i said my cousin has a boy with a very severe disability with aggression case ..but he is a teen and there are no accessibility to anything dangerous.. id say even knives are not accessible

My fear is the child's ID is protected by law, will be shuffled to another public school with no background info on his violent past.
Would they do that? Shuffle him to another school district and refuse to disclose he shot his last teacher? AS a teacher wouldn't you want to know for your own safety and your student's safety?As a parent wouldn't you want to know if he was in your child's classroom?
I'm shocked DM hasn't released the parent's name yet.

 

[shotgun09]

I am now wondering if Ellenson is representing " the boy" along WITH 'the family". In other words..does the family still have legal custody of the boy? More to think about....

( My suspicious cat mask is in place)

 

[Alethea]

I agree none of this is sane.
No 6-year-old should want to shoot someone in the first place this is America and here we are now what?

I am very concerned that a 6 year old with alleged "severe disabilities" had the series of connected and complex thoughts to: find a gun in the home, understand what a gun is and how a gun is used, understand what a gun can be used for (hurting people), understand the various parts of a gun and how they are used, allegedly disable any alleged locks and safety precautions, realize that having a gun is wrong and actively hide the gun, bring the gun to school again allegedly secretly, decide to point the gun at the teacher, use two hands (presumably) to hold and fire the gun AT the teacher.

Does this sound like the series of steps an ordinary 6 year old would think to do? How would a 6 year old know how to use a handgun? Even for say a 12 year old you could assume they have likely seen violence through movies and tv but 6?

IMO this kid has seen someone threaten someone else with a gun before. This is not something a 6 year old comes up with on his own. I am going to guess that's why we haven't heard much from LE as they are investigating various circumstances in the child's life.

 

[evilwise]

Dude, seriously. Six year olds cannot comprehend the consequences of shooting someone. Their brains literally can't. There is plenty of pretend shooting each other that goes on but whatever your opinions on if that effects it, little kids simply do not understand it. They can be taught to simply fear guns and that if they even try to touch a real gun they will be in big big trouble but that's the best you can do at that age.

It's understandable for the parents' identities to remain concealed right now while the court of public opinion is howling for their blood, which I don't understand compared to parents of teenage shooters who knowingly allowed their unstable children access to firearms, if not provided them. Probably some kind of misplaced "protect the children" instincts

As far as what happened the day of the shooting, if I were to speculate I would say that the kid himself made some other kid aware that he had a gun, maybe even showed it to him. The kid told on him but he knew it was happening so he moved the gun, say from his backpack to his desk. The school official searched his backpack, as was the minimal responsibility there and shrugged it off as the kid who saw the gun having made it up. I honestly expect even the teacher who was shot was aware of it the accusation.

This story would almost certainly reflect badly on all kinds of people if all the information was public and we may NEVER know the details but certainly something needs to change in that community and ones like it.

 

[fred&edna]

I am now wondering if Ellenson is representing " the boy" along WITH 'the family". In other words..does the family still have legal custody of the boy? More to think about....

( My suspicious cat mask is in place)

Hadn't even thought of this! Very important point.

 

[Simply Southern]

My fear is the child's ID is protected by law, will be shuffled to another public school with no background info on his violent past.
Would they do that? Shuffle him to another school district and refuse to disclose he shot his last teacher? AS a teacher wouldn't you want to know for your own safety and your student's safety?As a parent wouldn't you want to know if he was in your child's classroom?
I'm shocked DM hasn't released the parent's name yet.

I don't think the administrators will be able to shuffle this child to another school, and cover up information, without the risk of prosecution. Nope, we will have answers, it will take time. Many parents, administrators, LE, and national news are awaiting outcome. Moo....

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Multiple schools in Fairfax County, Virginia, are under investigation after allegedly failing to give students their National Merit Scholarship recognition in a timely manner, before many students submitted college applications.

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Multiple schools in Fairfax County, Virginia, are under investigation after allegedly failing to give students their National Merit Scholarship recognition in a timely manner, before many students submitted college applications.

State Attorney General Jason Miyares launched the investigation on January 4 against Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (TJHSST) for unlawful discrimination, according to a press release from his office.

2 indicted, including former superintendent, in Loudoun Co. schools probe - WTOP News

The superintendent and spokesman for the school system in Loudoun County, Virginia, have been indicted by a special grand jury looking into the system’s response to sexual assaults.

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Former superintendent Scott Ziegler has been charged with one count of misdemeanor false publication, one count of misdemeanor prohibited conduct and one count of misdemeanor penalizing an employee for a court appearance, the office of Attorney General Jason Miyares said in a statement Monday; spokesman Wayde Byard has been indicted on one count of felony perjury.

...It says he made the statement June 22, 2021. That’s the day of the Loudoun County School Board meeting that a raucous discussion of the sexual assaults made nationwide headlines. The special grand jury report said a witness testified that Ziegler told “a bald-faced lie” when he said at the meeting “to my knowledge we don’t have any record of assaults happening in our bathrooms” a month after such an assault had just happened.

The second and third indictments against Ziegler date from Sept. 28 of this year, and charge that Ziegler retaliated against Erin Brooks “for expressing views on matters of public concern” and for making a court appearance
Brooks was one of two special education teachers who sued the school board in June. Brooks claimed she was retaliated against when her contract wasn’t renewed after she complained that a student had repeatedly sexually assaulted

 

[Simply Southern]

I am now wondering if Ellenson is representing " the boy" along WITH 'the family". In other words..does the family still have legal custody of the boy? More to think about....

( My suspicious cat mask is in plac

I maybe be wrong, but I thought he was under the care of the state. If so, he will/was be appointed an attorney and a guardian ad litem.

Moo...

 

[amaraya]

Some kids thrive online vs in person but if we have teacher shortages we may have no choice really.
Either that or we start taking safety in schools seriously and that also means removing troubled violent children from public schools and into specialized schools.
After COVID and school shootings, all my friends quit teaching and it's not a popular field to go into now. Needs 4-8 years of college education and low pay.

homeschooling or online school will only create more problems. Students will eventually become socially isolated (which is already happening) and standards of education will be far lower.

I looked at some of the work a family member did this year during online school and it was of a very low standard. But it's true, violence and pay do not make this a profession that many want to do.

Normally, I would say we need to look at how we treat teachers- a position requiring an MA (In most states) should pay higher given what we are entrusted and expected to do- and as you see with this heroic teacher, many go far beyond what is expected. But<modsnip - not victim friendly>, my hope for even basic safety and responsibility is diminishing quickly.

As an ESL/bilingual teacher i am lucky that my students and their parents don't have the entitlement and lack of personal responsibility that many of the other mainstream teachers have to put up with from parents who did not want to parent their kids, as many of my students parents are more "old school" and often leave schooling up to the teachers.

It indeed seems like a situation that there is no coming back from...

 

[shotgun09]

I maybe be wrong, but I thought he was under the care of the state. If so, he will/was be appointed an attorney and a guardian ad litem.

Moo...

I agree, I also read a judge (in family court? ) was supposed to make that decision shortly after the boys ( arrest) and admittance to a hospital for " observation". And that the judge would be taking information gathered into consideration. But, nothing has been said officially regarding this. I think by this family attorney speaking out on behalf of 'the family' may indeed indicate that now.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I for one am thankful the names of the parents have NOT been publicly revealed.

Some lunatic would likely exact some form of vigilante justice, or show up at their home with a mob of angry people making all sorts of noise and commotion the way we've all seen happening more and more these days.

 

[Hexe]

Dude, seriously. Six year olds cannot comprehend the consequences of shooting someone. Their brains literally can't. There is plenty of pretend shooting each other that goes on but whatever your opinions on if that effects it, little kids simply do not understand it. They can be taught to simply fear guns and that if they even try to touch a real gun they will be in big big trouble but that's the best you can do at that age.

The six years old certainly understands that when he shoots someone, he hurts that person. Children that age know what it means to be hurt or to hurt someone, so there is a huge reason for concern, as this child decided to hurt someone, on purpose. It's obvious his psychological condition needs to be assessed thoroughly, same with his domestic situation and he needs very badly an extensive psychological therapy. This child has a huge issue that should not be left untreated.

It's understandable for the parents' identities to remain concealed right now while the court of public opinion is howling for their blood, which I don't understand compared to parents of teenage shooters who knowingly allowed their unstable children access to firearms, if not provided them. Probably some kind of misplaced "protect the children" instincts

A person who leaves their gun in a place accessible to a children, should bear some consequences, don't you think? Also, either the gun was left loaded and with the safety off, or someone taught the kid how to load it and how to flick that safety off. I think the LE should take a long, good look at the situation that led to the teacher being shot.

 

[shotgun09]

I for one am thankful the names of the parents have NOT been publicly revealed.

Some lunatic would likely exact some form of vigilante justice, or show up at their home with a mob of angry people making all sorts of noise and commotion the way we've all seen happening more and more these days.

I absolutely agree with you on that point. There certainly exists a mob mentality in these times we live in. However, in saying that...WHY the need for their attorney to come out and publicly fan the flames? LE and investigators may be dragging their feet here, but the family's defense attorney is surely not. MOO

ETA: spelling error

 

[iamshadow21]

I for one am thankful the names of the parents have NOT been publicly revealed.

Some lunatic would likely exact some form of vigilante justice, or show up at their home with a mob of angry people making all sorts of noise and commotion the way we've all seen happening more and more these days.

I agree, first and foremost because the child is a minor, and revealing the parents' names would immediately expose the identity of the child.

Yes, there needs to be an investigation, and an adult in this whole horrible mess may face charges, but the identity of the child should be protected. There is absolutely no chance he's going to prison or going to be charged as an adult. He's a minor, well below the age of criminal responsibility for his actions, and minors have rights.

 

[fred&edna]

Wasn't a parent recently arrested for being unable to protect their toddler from waving a gun in their apartment building??

Indiana father accused of neglect after toddler caught on camera waving a gun has not guilty pleas entered in first court appearance | CNN

An Indiana court has entered not guilty pleas for the man who prosecutors say is the father of the child captured on video waving a loaded handgun on the landing at an apartment complex, according to court records.

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