VA- 6-YEAR-OLD is in custody after shooting teacher

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  • #881
The gun was NOT SECURE. ( IMO)
A six year old had it in his hands, and shot his teacher...with purpose, in front of the entire classroom of six year olds.

WHERE are the charges?
 
  • #882
Have any of the local news reporters reached out to Gwynn for a statement... asking if (and when) he received the investigation report?
 
  • #883
The gun was NOT SECURE. ( IMO)
A six year old had it in his hands, and shot his teacher...with purpose, in front of the entire classroom of six year olds.

WHERE are the charges?
Against who? The child or the parents?
 
  • #884
Against who? The child or the parents?

ANYBODY....??????
The child, the parents, the school.....????

The entire student body of Richneck Elementary was at extreme risk, IMO.
Why no charges?

Business as usual?
"Carry On, Nothing to see here" ?

If this isn't the proverbial "sweeping under the rug", I don't know what is. IMO

smh
 
  • #885
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Parent Brenda Coles said Richneck Elementary is very different—more violent than when she was a PTA president there two decades ago.

“In my experience at Richneck, I did not see the level of violence that is going on in the schools today,” she said.
Coles, a former social worker for 20 years, added that more red tape was put in place making it harder for teachers to discipline students.
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Julianne Marse, a former educator and assistant principal in the school district, said she retired in 2019 after repeated physical and verbal attacks by a kindergarten studentwere ignored.

“Educators have somehow gotten conditioned to believe that they have to deal with this; they have to deal with being assaulted,” Marse said. “That is just wrong on so many levels. Teachers should not have to deal with being assaulted. And when a child like that is allowed to continue, then you are exactly right, it's a disaster waiting to happen.”
 
  • #886
Based on the history of other parents being charged with neglect/endangerment. I've yet to understand why the parents wouldn't be charged.

jmo
 
  • #887
Based on the history of other parents being charged with neglect/endangerment. I've yet to understand why the parents wouldn't be charged.

jmo

I am not sure, because the parents of the Colombine Massacre were not charged. I am not sure where the line is on parents of a perpetrator as "victims" or "accomplices".
 
  • #888
I am not sure, because the parents of the Colombine Massacre were not charged. I am not sure where the line is on parents of a perpetrator as "victims" or "accomplices".

I can't remember if the weapons used in the Columbine case were owned by the killer's parents or ??

Maybe the age of the shooter matters?

And, now that you mention it... It's rather interesting to consider the possibility that a parent could be an accomplice, too.
 
  • #889
Based on the history of other parents being charged with neglect/endangerment. I've yet to understand why the parents wouldn't be charged.

jmo
I actually agree, 100%.

I don't think any of us understand, based on the history of this sort of thing happening, why the parents have not been charged. Are they the exception to the rule, and are they exactly the kind of parents their issued statement says they are? I know some here find that hard to believe but here we are, well over a month later and no charges.

It would be really nice if LE would issue a statement to update the general public on their investigation to explain why charges have not been filed. If in fact, as they (the parents) have stated, that the gun was indeed secured and LE has determined this to be the case, then LE ought to make that clear.

jmo
 
  • #890
I actually agree, 100%.

I don't think any of us understand, based on the history of this sort of thing happening, why the parents have not been charged. Are they the exception to the rule, and are they exactly the kind of parents their issued statement says they are? I know some here find that hard to believe but here we are, well over a month later and no charges.

It would be really nice if LE would issue a statement to update the general public on their investigation to explain why charges have not been filed. If in fact, as they (the parents) have stated, that the gun was indeed secured and LE has determined this to be the case, then LE ought to make that clear.

jmo

The shooter was 6 years old. Parents are responsible (or negligent) for his care, safety and well-being... no matter what their attorney states. There is no plausible explanation as to how the six-year old obtained a truly secure gun and shot his teacher. What possible "exception" could there be?

A statement from LE and the Commonwealth's Attorney are overdue.
 
  • #891
ANYBODY....??????
The child, the parents, the school.....????

The entire student body of Richneck Elementary was at extreme risk, IMO.
Why no charges?

Business as usual?
"Carry On, Nothing to see here" ?

If this isn't the proverbial "sweeping under the rug", I don't know what is. IMO

smh
Sorry, I wasn’t sure who you were referring. I agree, I don’t understand the total lack of nothing except metal detectors, see through book bags. So what? So many unforgivable mistakes on so many levels.
*edited to add I do NOT think the child should be arrested!
 
  • #892
The shooter was 6 years old. Parents are responsible (or negligent) for his care, safety and well-being... no matter what their attorney states. There is no plausible explanation as to how the six-year old obtained a truly secure gun and shot his teacher. What possible "exception" could there be?

A statement from LE and the Commonwealth's Attorney are overdue.
We strongly disagree that there cannot be a reasonable explanation as to how the child obtained a genuinely secured gun. Plenty of 6 year old kids (and even much younger) are perfectly capable of getting into things most adults would never dream in a million years, they'd be capable of. I've watched my own kids do stuff like this. While I was raising my own kids, I've talked to plenty of other parents who also have kids that do stuff like this. The kind of stuff that if they didn't see it happen with their own eyes, they'd never believe it. It happens.

Do I think that's what happened in this case? Honestly, I don't know. I know what the parent's statement said, and I know there's been no charges, so what does that say? To me it says, it's entirely possible the parent's statement was 100% factual, and LE cannot find a single thing to charge them with.

What we do agree on, is that it's high time LE make a public statement on this, and hold to account, anyone and everyone that ought to be held to account.

jmo
 
  • #893
We strongly disagree that there cannot be a reasonable explanation as to how the child obtained a genuinely secured gun. Plenty of 6 year old kids (and even much younger) are perfectly capable of getting into things most adults would never dream in a million years, they'd be capable of. I've watched my own kids do stuff like this. While I was raising my own kids, I've talked to plenty of other parents who also have kids that do stuff like this. The kind of stuff that if they didn't see it happen with their own eyes, they'd never believe it. It happens.

Do I think that's what happened in this case? Honestly, I don't know. I know what the parent's statement said, and I know there's been no charges, so what does that say? To me it says, it's entirely possible the parent's statement was 100% factual, and LE cannot find a single thing to charge them with.

What we do agree on, is that it's high time LE make a public statement on this, and hold to account, anyone and everyone that ought to be held to account.

jmo
COP Drew, stated last week, he was close to handing over the results of the investigation to the Commonwealth Attorney. It is solely up to the CA to charge or not. LE is NOT a decision maker. LE can state laws broken, with supporting documents of guilt, but its up to the CA.

It may be weeks as the CA hashes over a decision. I'm sure many opinions are being expressed.

Moo....
 
  • #894
We strongly disagree that there cannot be a reasonable explanation as to how the child obtained a genuinely secured gun. Plenty of 6 year old kids (and even much younger) are perfectly capable of getting into things most adults would never dream in a million years, they'd be capable of. I've watched my own kids do stuff like this. While I was raising my own kids, I've talked to plenty of other parents who also have kids that do stuff like this. The kind of stuff that if they didn't see it happen with their own eyes, they'd never believe it. It happens.

Do I think that's what happened in this case? Honestly, I don't know. I know what the parent's statement said, and I know there's been no charges, so what does that say? To me it says, it's entirely possible the parent's statement was 100% factual, and LE cannot find a single thing to charge them with.

What we do agree on, is that it's high time LE make a public statement on this, and hold to account, anyone and everyone that ought to be held to account.

jmo

Yes, we disagree on a number of things regarding this case. And, of course, we know my hands are tied from saying more.

And, yes... the silence on the part of lawmakers is deafening.
 
  • #895
I can't remember if the weapons used in the Columbine case were owned by the killer's parents or ??

Maybe the age of the shooter matters?

And, now that you mention it... It's rather interesting to consider the possibility that a parent could be an accomplice, too.
 
  • #896
Children really are quite amazing. I was stunned when my little one started running around the house. She never walked, she got up one day, and started running.

I can easily understand parents of a six year old, thinking that "he could never get up there" or whatever. But it brings up the question, how did the child know there was a gun in the house? Had he been shown where it was, and not to ever touch it? At least, there should be some resolution regarding the decision not to charge the parents...
 
  • #897
The Columbine killers had a friend purchase the weapons. iirc, that friend was prosecuted.
 
  • #898
I agree the parents bear some responsibility. The administration also is liable. This child should not have been in this school. They clearly had plenty of warning that this public-school environment was not appropriate for him. This is another example of the school system failing miserably by not suspending the child and removing him. Didn't anyone learn a valuable lesson from Nikolas Cruz?
 
  • #899
I can't remember if the weapons used in the Columbine case were owned by the killer's parents or ??

Maybe the age of the shooter matters?

And, now that you mention it... It's rather interesting to consider the possibility that a parent could be an accomplice, too.
This is what we have seen in the Ethan Crumbley case, no? His parents were both charged with manslaughter in connection with the school shooting he committed in Michigan in 2021.
Parents of Michigan high school mass shooter Ethan Crumbley seek lower bail
 
  • #900
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“I want to be perfectly clear – educators should not be forced to live with the threat of physical violence in the classroom,” Fedderman said. “It is the job of the administration to provide a safe and conducive learning environment for our students and our educators.”
 
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