VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[Bluebear15]

The stories have never changed. Most of these people all testified before a federal grand jury under oath. Some of these witnesses gave statements and sat for hours on end with FBI sketch artists and their accounts have been verified by others who were in the same place at the same time. Mind you, no one knows for sure it was Amy, but their accounts of seeing the woman with the men have been corroborated by others. They are not made up stories. Positively ID'ing Amy is another issue. There are details, such as the sighting on Barbados, where others there corroborated that sighting. It has nothing to do with Netflix. The FBI has not discounted these witnesses. These accounts have been around for decades.

Who was the accused for the grand jury? The FBI have never pressed charges against anyone. Stating something is true doesn't make it so.

 

[TizerisT]

We are talking about Amy being a lesbian because this is something that her family has been actively covering up for thirty years, even to the ridiculous point of her brother claiming that she was bi and actually had a boyfriend even as she was sending her girlfriend that letter.

You are simply making wild claims without bothering to back them up. Sex trafficking just does not work the way that you claim, not generally and apparently not on Curaçao.

Its clear that you don't really know what you're talking about, so I can't really take anything you say seriously. You claim that I make wild claims and then say 'covering her sexuality up for 30 years' which is the very definition of a wild (and baseless) claim. As if her partners, past and present, would have any bearing on the outcome of this case. If this wasn't such a serious case, it would be funny.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Sex trafficking, like human trafficking generally, has always targeted desperate people without other close connections or other good choices
you're gonna have to provide hard sources for that

Sex trafficking - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Sex Trafficking - Canada.ca

Sex trafficking exploits vulnerable people into performing sexual acts for the profit of others. Learn how to recognize and safely report signs of suspicious activity.

www.canada.ca

Think. Why would it make sense for sex traffickers to go after someone they saw had strong social connections with their family? Even if they wanted for some unaccountable reason to carry out an abduction from a cruise ship, why would they not at least have the sense to target a solo traveller?

How would she have crossed international borders without valid documents?
uh...are you aware of human smuggling between borders? if not, i can provide some information on that

That is not an answer. How would Amy, who is an abductee, be smuggled from one country's jurisdiction into another? And why would they ever let her outside?

No, I am sorry, this is ridiculous bordering on offensive
white as the beauty ideal and racism is offensive, i agree. doesn't stop it from being true unfortunately. White people are absolutely not the majority in many Caribbean islands

And that means nothing. There are plenty of white people in the Caribbean basin, lots on the islands and more in the mainland, in much worse positions than an American tourist traveling with her family. There is just no shortage of whites, and no reason to think Amy was so obviously desirable that someone would think it a great idea to kidnap her.

what evidence?
her formal pictures missing from the official cruise photos. the SW picture that strongly resembles her. the eyewitness sightings, including someone describing her tattoos who hadn't previously known about them. i'm aware of the holes that can be poked in these, for sure, i'm not denying that.
what evidence is there for anything else?

The quality of evidence being provided could be used to prove that I have a twin who was separated from me at birth and raised in Brazil. I actually have a high-quality digital photograph, even: The case is stronger.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Its clear that you don't really know what you're talking about, so I can't really take anything you say seriously. You claim that I make wild claims and then say 'covering her sexuality up for 30 years' which is the very definition of a wild and baseless claim.

Why? It is literally something that Amy's family has actually done. Before the documentary, the idea that Amy was lesbian or bisexual was not publicly raised. I do not remember anything like that.

This is because, for nearly thirty years, they chose to hide this for any number of reasons, most notably because they did not like the fact that she was lesbian and never had the chance to process these things with their daughter.

This is the opposite of a wild claim. This is something taking their words at face value, though also backed up by her girlfriends' statements.

 

[Bluebear15]

I think she stood on the glass table with bare feet, leant over to feel the wind/see the sunrise and fell overboard.
where is the evidence for this?

It's as viable a theory as human trafficking. There's no evidence that she left the cabin via the door.
With this case there's no evidence of anything!!
Jmo

 

[Quill]

We have no idea what happened.

A simple accident by someone who had a bit too much to drink and made just the right sequence of mistakes makes more sense to me than a suicide. We should also keep in mind that the moods of many people who plan to kill themselves improve, because they know they will die and their suffering will end.

The Tom thing—well, before my cousin came out to his parents, he paid one visit home at Christmas with his girlfriend. He was gay, she was lesbian, and they were each other's cover.

I think we should also consider the strong likelihood that Amy's family cannot be unconditionally trusted. Remember that the parents have already been found to have lied under oath in court.

Dismissal Upheld of Suit Against Cruise Line | Law.com

A Miami appellate court wasted no time telling the parents of a woman who disappeared while on a 1998 cruise that lying and perpetrating a fraud against the court won't be tolerated. One week after hearing oral arguments, the court affirmed the dismissal of a negligence suit brought by Amy...

www.law.com

Finding out that they have hidden Amy's sexual orientation and their problems with said, well. We should be skeptical of her brother's claims about her relationships.

They didn't hide Amy's sexuality from the FBI early on in the investigation. That was implied in the doc. Just because they didn't put it out in every media item doesn't mean they hid it. It might occur to an astute person that due to the times they worried that it may cause gossipy speculation that would take the public's empathy away from helping find Amy. Maybe they thought it would hinder search efforts. There are other choices other than the lowest conclusions to be jumped to. The bottom line is we only know what has been shared publicly. We don't know everything in the FBI files and you can bet there is more because every investigation has information being held back for "reasons".

 

[RandyMcDonald]

They didn't hide Amy's sexuality from the FBI early on in the investigation. That was implied in the doc. Just because they didn't put it out in every media item doesn't mean they hid it. It might occur to an astute person that due to the times they worried that it may cause gossipy speculation that would take the public's empathy away from helping find Amy. Maybe they thought it would hinder search efforts. There are other choices other than the lowest conclusions to be jumped to. The bottom line is we only know what has been shared publicly. We don't know everything in the FBI files and you can bet there is more because every investigation has information being held back for "reasons".

For thirty years?

Things would be different if they were provably OK with Amy being lesbian, but the evidence were have suggests that they were not. We have the nasty letter her father sent to her girlfriend, and we have her brother's belated attempts to portray her as straight enough at least to have a boyfriend.

They have been covering things up because it was inconvenient for their story. I would note, again, that this is something that they have been found guilty of doing in court.

 

[Quill]

DBM

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Discounting the numerous witnesses, starting with the girls on the ship who saw Amy with Yellow on the elevator that morning is enough for me and was apparently enough for the FBI. They never determined that Amy went over that rail. They did not find evidence of her going over that rail. So the same can be said. There lies no evidence Amy went over the rail and there is not even a witness that can be disputed.

Amy being with someone apparently creepy only means that she was with someone apparently creepy.

Has anyone ever found actual evidence linking Yellow with any sex trafficking rings?

 

[Quill]

It's as viable a theory as human trafficking. There's no evidence that she left the cabin via the door.
With this case there's no evidence of anything!!
Jmo

There is also no evidence that she went over that railing. Not one bit. The FBI found no reason to assert that she did. There are no witnesses coming forward with any information to suggest this, even thought there are plenty to suggest she left the cabin. That has weight.

 

[TizerisT]

Moreover, had the family mentioned her sexuality before, I would have asked myself "Why are they mentioning that for? Surely thats no more important than what her favourite food or music is"
That would have raised an alarm bell. Not the other way around.
Why muddy the waters with such talk when you should be talking times, places, faces.

 

[Bluebear15]

There is also no evidence that she went over that railing. Not one bit. The FBI found no reason to assert that she did. There are no witnesses coming forward with any information to suggest this, even thought there are plenty to suggest she left the cabin. That has weight.

In your opinion of course. The witnesses are not reliable. There is NO evidence to suggest human trafficking but I guess it makes for a more interesting/controversial theory. It keeps Amy in the limelight and keeps certain people making money.

Jmo

 

[Quill]

Who was the accused for the grand jury? The FBI have never pressed charges against anyone. Stating something is true doesn't make it so.

It was the con man who lied about knowing who had Amy. He crafted a very detailed story and conned the family out of thousands of dollars. He was convicted of mail fraud and sentenced to five years in prison.

Not sure if you are calling me a liar or the witnesses? The witnesses I refer to have stated in the doc they testified before a grand jury so I'm accurate on that and if it's the latter, well, not sure if you realize it, but lying under oath in front of a grand jury is considered perjury. it carries significant penalties, including potential imprisonment and fines. " False declarations before a grand jury can result in a fine and/or imprisonment for up to five years."

 

[Quill]

In your opinion of course. The witnesses are not reliable. There is NO evidence to suggest human trafficking but I guess it makes for a more interesting/controversial theory. It keeps Amy in the limelight and keeps certain people making money.

Jmo

The FBI found them reliable. Just because you want to throw out an entire FBI file, doesn't make it unreliable. At no time has the FBI deemed the witnesses as unreliable. Not being able to find undeniable prove that the sighting were of Amy does not make them unreliable. Believe me, if the FBI found them to be unreliable, they would have said so and we wouldn't be here now. There is enough corroboration of the witness accounts the make the FBI unable to discount their stories, while at the same time there is not enough verifiable evidence to consider it as absolute. Huge difference here between this and unreliable.

 

[DustysMom]

We have no idea what happened.

A simple accident by someone who had a bit too much to drink and made just the right sequence of mistakes makes more sense to me than a suicide. We should also keep in mind that the moods of many people who plan to kill themselves improve, because they know they will die and their suffering will end.

The Tom thing—well, before my cousin came out to his parents, he paid one visit home at Christmas with his girlfriend. He was gay, she was lesbian, and they were each other's cover.

I think we should also consider the strong likelihood that Amy's family cannot be unconditionally trusted. Remember that the parents have already been found to have lied under oath in court.

Dismissal Upheld of Suit Against Cruise Line | Law.com

A Miami appellate court wasted no time telling the parents of a woman who disappeared while on a 1998 cruise that lying and perpetrating a fraud against the court won't be tolerated. One week after hearing oral arguments, the court affirmed the dismissal of a negligence suit brought by Amy...

www.law.com

Finding out that they have hidden Amy's sexual orientation and their problems with said, well. We should be skeptical of her brother's claims about her relationships.

I have to say that I am a bit skeptical of the Bradley’s now. For many years, they stressed in the media -
— the crew paid a lot of attention to Amy
— Amy was a good swimmer but had a fear of the open seas
—Amy was and reluctant to even go on the cruise.
—-Amy had a new job, dog and apartment
There was no mention of having a boyfriend, girlfriend, her sexual orientation, her drinking. Then, many years later, we find out -
—per Alister Douglas, Amy told him she was gay and that she didn’t want to be on the cruise. (James Renner interview ).
—per her ex girlfriend, Amy’s father sent a lengthy letter outlining his ‘disapproval/disappointment’ of her sexual orientation and relationship
— per college friends, Amy self medicated with alcohol and liked to party.
—According to the family friend who took care of Bradley’s home and to Molly, she was excited about going on the cruise
ABs complicated love life, partying habits and relationship with her parents at the time of the cruise contributed to her state of mind. But, the Bradley’s swept all of this under the rug. Why?

 

[arielilane]

Okay, I wasnt aware of the Netflix series about Amy. Watched it, and noticed that the Scientology wasnt mentioned unless I missed it. Interesting.

First time I heard about the IP addresses. That's interesting... But!

Re: IP addresses info during significant dates: Not believing that Amy is sending signals to her family - possibly hoax (recalling the WD who sent the hoax message in the Brian S case).

Sightings of Amy: Not credible- recall the WD who claimed to have seen Jennifer K in the jewelry store.

Not putting much creditability into witness sightings.

People are cruel and like to associate themselves into a high-profile case.

The small timeline of 5:40 am to 6:00 am speaks volumes and most likely she fell overboard.

I am so sorry for Amy’s family and all her loved ones. I cant imagine their pain. I support them in their quest to find Amy, to get answers.

All of this is an opinion and of course subject to change depending on new information.

 

[Chypre]

In your opinion of course. The witnesses are not reliable. There is NO evidence to suggest human trafficking but I guess it makes for a more interesting/controversial theory. It keeps Amy in the limelight and keeps certain people making The point is it's not just her opinion. The FBI's opinion holds great weight.

 

[MesquiteO21]

It's as viable a theory as human trafficking. There's no evidence that she left the cabin via the door.
With this case there's no evidence of anything!!
Jmo

i get that. i'm just wondering if any neighboring cabins heard a scream or something? i would think she would scream if falling. or anything like that which maybe would lean that way

 

[arielilane]

It's typical for parents to be in denial about their child, or just to not know everything about them. If you want to know about someone, ask their friends, dont ask their parents. In addition, if the public knew she was a party girl, would they had cared to look for her? jmo

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Moreover, had the family mentioned her sexuality before, I would have asked myself "Why are they mentioning that for? Surely thats no more important than what her favourite food or music is"
That would have raised an alarm bell. Not the other way around.
Why muddy the waters with such talk when you should be talking times, places, faces.

They did not raise her sexual orientation, at all, because doing so would have detracted from their representation of Amy as a perfect daughter with no problems.

Finding out that Amy actually had significant problems with her parents over her sexual orientation, perhaps resulting in a pattern of problem drinking that was noted by her peers at college, adds a lot of context. Things were not OK with Amy.

I do feel sorry for Amy's family. Had she been luckier, they would have been able to evolve over time, hopefully coming to accept their daughter for who she was. Their reaction to her coming out was harmful, but not as bad as it could have been. I could see change coming.

Amy's disappearance stopped that process. They remain trapped in that moment, her brother remaining single and childless, her parents polishing up her Mazda Miata, everyone insisting the most unlikely of conspiracies simultaneously vast and short-sighted has been keeping Amy alive just beyond reach.