VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

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  • #841
I didn’t mean that the open patio door was nefarious just that it is a detail that could be important and wasn’t really focused on

And I also think that it could be exactly that scenario - she opened it partially feeling ill with the intent to lunge to the bathroom and instead turned around to vomit over the balcony.
Maybe even positioning the table to gain some height and space to not “spray” the railing or lower balconies and subsequently lost her footing or had a dizzy spell/medical episode
I agree with your original point. She wouldn't have left the patio door open if she had exited the balcony on her own with enough time to change clothes etc. Either she was planning to sneak out or not, she wouldn't make any decisions that could lead to outside noises and temperature changes to disturb her family's sleep.
 
  • #842
Detective moon, you have picked up on the stickiest wicket of this mystery, and one that confounds many. People do go “missing” on cruise ships, but it’s usually eventually attributed to some variety of overboard incident. Why Amy. And why from a cruise ship? It certainly doesn’t seem to be a common occurrence for someone to be trafficked that way.

There’s been MUCH discussion over the years about this, but this is what I’ve come up with. No doubt, better thinkers and better sleuthers than I can come up with more.

Why not on a cruise ship? Much trafficking and sex tourism goes on throughout the Caribbean. Perhaps it was simply because someone who worked on the ship came into contact with a group doing this, and saw an opportunity to make some $. There is little security on the ship, very few security cameras (and an employee would know where those are and aren’t located). It’s an atmosphere of “escape”, “letting one’s hair down”, and partying in general. Tons and tons of mixing with strangers and free flowing alcohol. Most people aren’t “on guard” on a cruise.

How easy would it be to slip something into someone’s drink, then get them down a staff elevator in the wee hours of the morning, put them in a laundry cart, band equipment case, etc., and get them off the ship via a staff gangway. Certainly, staff and laundry aren’t mixing with the well dressed cliente as they embark/disembark.

Also, there’s been talk that certain staff at RC were linked to AAV. I’m not sure why that would surprise anybody. Look at the character of the cruise director. I highly doubt any of the staff are vetted in depth for character.

At the end of the day, anyone, anywhere can be kidnapped and trafficked and if you look long enough, you’ll see that there are many examples of middle class, ordinary women becoming victims to it. Layer onto that the lack of security on cruise ships and billion dollar industry out to protect its image, and you have what many are trying to blow the whistle on, which is a situation rife for crime without consequences. It’s hard, though, as the billions in the industry can simply crush those who go up against them.
What is AAV?
 
  • #843
I'm watching the documentary a second time.

- according to the FBI, Alister Douglas' polygraph results "were inconclusive"

- the first eyewitness claimed he did see a Tasmanian devil tattoo on the woman he believes was Amy

- second eyewitness says he was told by the woman in the brothel that she was Amy Bradley and that she voluntarily left the ship to score drugs. He says he passed a lie detector test

I will add a few more things later. I paid a lot of attention to what the FBI said as they were describing their initial inspection of the room.

They made it clear that any potential evidence would've been lost, as the room had already been cleaned.
 
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(EDIT: Amy's photos were the only ones missing. So its not that the photographer recognized her specifically so much as he knew that he had printed all the photos from the first day on the ship and hers were the only ones
From Iva Bradley's own mouth: 22:38 into the video
 
  • #846
I watched the Netflix doc and it’s really the first I’ve heard of this case. And I’ve never been on a cruise ship. But one thing that stood out was her dad looking for her for approx 30 minutes then panicking. He thought she went to grab a cup of coffee. Was there only one place the get coffee on the whole ship? Couldn’t Amy have been (innocently) in countless areas on the ship? Eating, exploring/walking the decks, looking at cool stuff, working out, etc. The ship was described as huge, Amy was an adult, why was the family begging staff not to dock or allow people to disembark when they’d only been unable to locate her for a short time? I feel like there’s still more to the story. Why such worry so quickly? Maybe dad did hear something subconsciously that woke him.
 
  • #847
I watched the Netflix doc and it’s really the first I’ve heard of this case. And I’ve never been on a cruise ship. But one thing that stood out was her dad looking for her for approx 30 minutes then panicking. He thought she went to grab a cup of coffee. Was there only one place the get coffee on the whole ship? Couldn’t Amy have been (innocently) in countless areas on the ship? Eating, exploring/walking the decks, looking at cool stuff, working out, etc. The ship was described as huge, Amy was an adult, why was the family begging staff not to dock or allow people to disembark when they’d only been unable to locate her for a short time? I feel like there’s still more to the story. Why such worry so quickly? Maybe dad did hear something subconsciously that woke him.


Maybe he had a gut feeling something wasn’t right?
 
  • #848
I always thought her picture with her brother (she's dressed in black, they're holding hands etc) had been taken in the cruise. Am I mistaken? Were those digital or physical? Had the family seen them in this gallery before?
They had the photos retaken after the first set were stolen, per Amy’s mother in the Netflix doc.
 
  • #849
QUOTE="crussell821, post: 19481423, member: 161771"]
They had the photos retaken after the first set were stolen, per Amy’s mother in the Netflix doc.
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Oh no. You just reopened Pandora's box..
 
  • #850
QUOTE="crussell821, post: 19481423, member: 161771"]
They had the photos retaken after the first set were stolen, per Amy’s mother in the Netflix doc.
Oh no. You just reopened Pandora's box..
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I thought Amy's mother asked the photo person if he could reprint Amy's photos and he said "yes".
 
  • #851
I watched the Netflix doc and it’s really the first I’ve heard of this case. And I’ve never been on a cruise ship. But one thing that stood out was her dad looking for her for approx 30 minutes then panicking. He thought she went to grab a cup of coffee. Was there only one place the get coffee on the whole ship? Couldn’t Amy have been (innocently) in countless areas on the ship? Eating, exploring/walking the decks, looking at cool stuff, working out, etc. The ship was described as huge, Amy was an adult, why was the family begging staff not to dock or allow people to disembark when they’d only been unable to locate her for a short time? I feel like there’s still more to the story. Why such worry so quickly? Maybe dad did hear something subconsciously that woke him.
I puzzled on this at first as well, but after reading/watching more, I came to the conclusion that the Bradley’s were very close. (I can’t even imagine my brother and I, as grown adults, sleeping in the same bed and sharing a cabin with our parents!) Iva once said something like Amy wouldn’t be 15 minutes late without calling, etc. They did seem to keep track of each other closely. Brad leaves the balcony to go to sleep and tells Amy he loves her, etc. I’ve chalked it up to this.
 
  • #852
I puzzled on this at first as well, but after reading/watching more, I came to the conclusion that the Bradley’s were very close. (I can’t even imagine my brother and I, as grown adults, sleeping in the same bed and sharing a cabin with our parents!) Iva once said something like Amy wouldn’t be 15 minutes late without calling, etc. They did seem to keep track of each other closely. Brad leaves the balcony to go to sleep and tells Amy he loves her, etc. I’ve chalked it up to this.
I don’t think Amy and Brad were sleeping in the same bed. Those cabins are set up with a main Queen bed which the parents were surely in and then beside that there is a living room area with a sofa that flips out to a bed and another single bed on top of it. So essentially bunk beds.
What confuses me is if was the Queen bed that was closest to the balcony or if the living room area was closest to the balcony. Different ships have it configured differently

The Netflix documentary shows the living room area to be closest to the balcony.

So dad would have to have had pretty good vision to be able to see outside in detail from his position in the Queen bed, past the living area with the bunk beds pulled out and usually a coffee table and various mess in the way, through the sheer curtains if they were pulled in the low morning break light to make out Amy’s legs on the chaise longue
Not saying he didn’t but it’s another detail that stood out to me.
 
  • #853
I replayed the netflix documentary to hear the names of the resorts the taxi driver told Amy’s father to go to. It was Coral Cliffs and the Kadushi resorts. I checked them out using Google earth. I checked all sorts of streets , her locations, and you can see people in doorways, in back yards. Etc. I keep hoping since technology is everywhere now, we can find her.
 
  • #854
I replayed the netflix documentary to hear the names of the resorts the taxi driver told Amy’s father to go to. It was Coral Cliffs and the Kadushi resorts. I checked them out using Google earth. I checked all sorts of streets , her locations, and you can see people in doorways, in back yards. Etc. I keep hoping since technology is everywhere now, we can find her.
The taxi driver is seen as a fake lead among old timers. He was just hoping to get a reward.
 
  • #855
The only thing I don’t get about this is how come they haven’t traced the IP addresses if it’s a constant thing then it shouldn’t be hard to do.
That one FBI lady said it wasn't that easy to do. Due to costs, location and certain difficulties.
But, hey, for all we know, they could be privately following up on that as we type/speak. Undercover.
 
  • #856
That one FBI lady said it wasn't that easy to do. Due to costs, location and certain difficulties.
But, hey, for all we know, they could be privately following up on that as we type/speak. Undercover.
I'd imagine they are currently tracking that information. I went back to watch episode 3 of the documentary and he mentioned he created the website in 2018 which was 20 years since she had been missing. So in the 7 years since then, they have noticed that someone has been viewing the website on important holidays/holidays related to Amy for extended periods of time. While possible, I am struggling to see why someone would be doing that if she A.) fell overboard/lost at sea or B.) was killed many years ago. It's just such an odd coincidence.
 
  • #857
I'd imagine they are currently tracking that information. I went back to watch episode 3 of the documentary and he mentioned he created the website in 2018 which was 20 years since she had been missing. So in the 7 years since then, they have noticed that someone has been viewing the website on important holidays/holidays related to Amy for extended periods of time. While possible, I am struggling to see why someone would be doing that if she A.) fell overboard/lost at sea or B.) was killed many years ago. It's just such an odd coincidence.


Only Amy would be doing that as a kidnapper isn’t gonna look them up on the holidays and linger on the website.

There are so many strange things about this case. I hope if she is alive that she can be reunited with her elderly parents. They deserve to know what happened to her.
 
  • #858
Only Amy would be doing that as a kidnapper isn’t gonna look them up on the holidays and linger on the website.

There are so many strange things about this case. I hope if she is alive that she can be reunited with her elderly parents. They deserve to know what happened to her.
That's what I'm thinking because the documentary mentioned specifically that the website was viewed for extended periods of time on her mother's birthday. Maybe a guilty party might know when that is, but would they really be viewing the website on that exact date over 20 years later? Highly unlikely IMO
 
  • #859
My hope is that one of these days..if someone is minding/watching over her, they have a moment of compassion and let her go.
You see this sometimes happen when people are kidnapped by a couple, one half of the couple has a change of heart and releases their captive. Too farfetched???
 
  • #860
I think maybe the family needs to do some boots on the ground time in Barbados if they are pursuing the IP lead
If Amy is blending in anywhere at this point it would probably be easier in English spoken Barbados as opposed to other islands
Lots of white expats so if she were alive with children someone would know something through someone as the grapevine in BIM is pretty small compared to the US.
Organizations like Potcake rescues usually have lots of expat volunteers and connections to North America and thus lots of gossip.
I do agree that her elderly parents need definitive answers to put an end to this decades long trauma while they are still alive no matter what the answer may be
 
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