VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[GinaSeikwa]

Well we know AAV were on the prowl in that area and timeframe already, so yes there is.

Some things get you a +1 in trafficking. And a caucasian female in her early 20's would have been quite a catch.

But prostitution is already legal and open in Curaçao as it is part of the Dutch Antilles.
And there is no shortage of Caucasian females in their early 20’s already plying their trade legally on the island.

So no, sorry, the whole idea that Amy, the American white woman, would be such an incredibly important catch to have involved this elaborate web of players risking so much both on the ship and on the island is ridiculous in my opinion

 

[TizerisT]

there is no shortage of Caucasian females in their early 20’s already plying their trade legally on the island

Source please

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Perhaps Amy’s abduction had to do with the movement of drugs. Curaçao is not exempt from that trade.

Five Narcotics Traffickers Extradited From Curaçao to Face International Cocaine Distribution and Importation Charges​

“The defendants operated an international drug trafficking enterprise that for years funneled over one hundred kilograms of cocaine into the United States onboard cruise ships and commercial airliners, using an extensive network of corrupt airport employees,” stated United States Attorney Peace.

Five Narcotics Traffickers Extradited From Curaçao to Face International Cocaine Distribution and Importation Charges

“The defendants operated an international drug trafficking enterprise that for years funneled over one hundred kilograms of cocaine into the United States onboard cruise ships and commercial airliners, using an extensive network of corrupt airport employees,” stated United States Attorney Peace...

www.justice.gov

Italian Mafia Expanding Influence in Curaçao Through Local Crime Networks​

Italian Mafia Expanding Influence in Curaçao Through Local Crime Networks

Italian Mafia in Curacao

www.curacaochronicle.com

No Limit Soldiers​

No Limit Soldiers

The No Limit Soldiers (NLS) is a crime group that began as a small gang in Curaçao and became a player in the cocaine pipeline to Europe.

insightcrime.org

Why is the involvement of the Italian Mafia in the drug trade of Curaçao relevant?

Different Italian organized crime movements are linked to sex trafficking in Italy, but the dominant trend seems to be bait-and-switch directed towards migrants from poor countries, Nigeria and Cote d'Ivoire especially. I know that, before Romania's boom, Romanian women were also entrapped.

The Italian Mafia does not, to my knowledge, have a history of abducting random women as sex slaves. It prefers the established methods of recruitment, grooming and migration, for the obvious reasons that this is not as costly.

Technical Difficulties

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Source please

I have literally been providing US State Department reports about the sexual trafficking of women from elsewhere in the Caribbean basin on Curaçao. Unless you are going to make the false blanket assumption that there are no whites in the Caribbean basin, this in itself strongly imply that whites would be among their numbers.

Wikipedia's article on prostitution in the Dutch Caribbean goes into more detail with links.

Prostitution in the Dutch Caribbean - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Of note may be the notable numbers of Cubans and Venezuelans working in the sex trade, two Caribbean countries with particularly large white populations.

 

[Mica]

Right. How exactly does this relate to Amy?

It’s self explanatory. Drug trafficking has been a problem on Curaçao for many years. Amy could have been lured into the drug trade, and then used as a decoy to move drugs. According to Yellow, Amy discussed her sexual orientation with him. Being a vulnerable topic, it could have made Amy an easier target. Yellow could have used Amy’s vulnerability to recruit and control her with those he may have been working with - those in the drug trafficking trade. The one witness said Amy told him she left the ship of her own accord in search for drugs. It can’t be ruled out.

 

[DustysMom]

Brad sat with her that morning and she wasn’t sick or acting out of character as he left willingly to go to bed. So zero Red Flags in other words.

So I just find it mind boggling people think he left her alone and she then decided to end her life.

Yes, I get what you’re saying but regarding her being sick, her brother said, in this latest Netflix doc, that she said she wasn’t feeling well and decided to stay on the balcony.
I think it’s possible she had a meeting planned with AD and wanted to stay awake so she didn’t miss it. It’s also possible that she did want to just sleep there with her feet on the table. I haven’t been able to find a definitive layout of their stateroom. Was under the impression that there was a bed and a sofabed, meaning she had to share the sofa bed with her brother and everyone was in the same room sleeping together.

 

[Salah11]

The witness who saw her that Am with Yellow there is no reason why they would of got confused.

The ship is in a tizzy coz somebody has vanished so of course your mind would flash back to seeing her that morning with somebody.

This wasn’t years after the fact.

 

[Danaya]

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[Danaya]

I really cannot remember the female agent ever stating she doesn't personally believe Amy committed suicide. It would seem incredibly odd.

Oh? Here's the exact time stamp. Take a look.



22:43 Part Two

 

[TizerisT]

this in itself would mean whites

No it doesn't. We already discussed this and shown that they are very much the minority on those islands. And those that have been born there tend to be comparitively on the affluent side.

So again, where does this "no shortage of them" thing come from? Because nothing I have been shown alludes to this being the case.

 

[Mica]

Why is the involvement of the Italian Mafia in the drug trade of Curaçao relevant?

Different Italian organized crime movements are linked to sex trafficking in Italy, but the dominant trend seems to be bait-and-switch directed towards migrants from poor countries, Nigeria and Cote d'Ivoire especially. I know that, before Romania's boom, Romanian women were also entrapped.

The Italian Mafia does not, to my knowledge, have a history of abducting random women as sex slaves. It prefers the established methods of recruitment, grooming and migration, for the obvious reasons that this is not as costly.

Technical Difficulties

Where did I mention the sex trade? My post was about drug trafficking in Curaçao. It’s a concern for the island, and has been for many years.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

It’s self explanatory. Drug trafficking has been a problem on Curaçao for many years. Amy could have been lured into the drug trade, and then used as a decoy to move drugs. According to Yellow, Amy discussed her sexual orientation with him. Being a vulnerable topic, it could have made Amy an easier target. Yellow could have used Amy’s vulnerability to recruit and control her with those he may have been working with - those in the drug trafficking trade. The one witness said Amy told him she left the ship of her own accord in search for drugs. It can’t be ruled out.

Ok. Do we have any evidence for this theory? Does Yellow have connections with the drug trade, say? Do we have any reason to believe that Amy's use of alcohol and perhaps soft drugs like marijuana took her towards this?

And why, if Amy fell afoul of ruthless druglords, would they allow her to live? What would be the point of keeping a loose end alive? A scenario where she somehow manages to run afoul of drug lords is still one where she ends up in the Caribbean, just a day or two later. Keeping her alive as a sex worker would be a terrible idea: What if she talked to someone?

No it doesn't. We already discussed this and shown that they are very much the minority on those islands. And those that have been born there tend to be comparitively on the affluent side.

Cuba and Venezuela are many things, but they are not affluent.

They are countries where very high proportions of the population—two-thirds of Cuba's more than ten million, and two-fifths of Venezuela's 30 million—are white. (Google "white" with the names of those countries.) More than fifteen million people is not a negligible number, and when you through in the other countries of the Caribbean basin you plausibly have many more.

Expecting that the whites are all wealthy and would be immune to being sexually trafficked is certainly an interesting expectation. Is it a wise one?

So again, where does this "no shortage of them" thing come from? Because nothing I have been shown alludes to this being the case.

Official census records are enough to prove my point.

Beyond that, Amy was just a person of pleasant appearance, entering a pretty stable island (not yet having gotten there). There is nothing that makes her an obvious standout. Her parents' insistence that she was an object of attention of men on the cruise is probably best understood as her parents still not having digested the fact that their daughter was an increasingly out lesbian, insisting that she could not be because she was so pretty. (There is literally a coming out movie called "But I'm a Cheerleader" exploring this trope.)

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Where did I mention the sex trade? My post was about drug trafficking in Curaçao. It’s a concern for the island, and has been for many years.

Right. How does drug trafficking in Curaçao now relate to what could have happened to Amy a quarter-century earlier?

 

[Chypre]

I think you wildly underestimate the amount of young western women who find themselves in dangerous positions because they were too trusting, too far from their comfort zone, too inebriated. They are quite often the easiest type of victims, with little street knowledge or just assuming that locals or police will help them if they get in trouble. You're not in Springfield any more, that little old lady likely isn't gonna tell the police if she knows the local guys have a girl under their control. She dont wanna get in trouble. This is the reality that some are not seeing.

I agree. Amy was not destitute or desperate on the cruise. If she walked into or was dropped into a bad situation, she quickly became desperate and destitute.

 

[DustysMom]

The witness who saw her that Am with Yellow there is no reason why they would of got confused.

The ship is in a tizzy coz somebody has vanished so of course your mind would flash back to seeing her that morning with somebody.

This wasn’t years after the fact.

There were 2 girls who reportedly saw AB and AD entering the glass elevator up to the disco. Then a 3rd woman witnessed AD giving AB a brown drink at the disco. The first 2 saw AD walk by them alone ‘a short time’ after that. I don’t think this 3rd woman was part of the Netflix documentary. At least one of the’2’ claimed she spoke to Amy earlier in the evening and was aware of her new dog,new job etc. Could all 3 of these women have seen someone else? Or was their timeline off by a few hours?
I surely don’t know.

 

[Salah11]

Has it been stated where the cigarettes and lighter were when they were on deck chatting?

 

[thebedbug]

But prostitution is already legal and open in Curaçao as it is part of the Dutch Antilles.
And there is no shortage of Caucasian females in their early 20’s already plying their trade legally on the island.

So no, sorry, the whole idea that Amy, the American white woman, would be such an incredibly important catch to have involved this elaborate web of players risking so much both on the ship and on the island is ridiculous in my opinion

That's where I've been. It sounds like the plot of Taken 3 or an old Charles Bronson film. Intriguing to speculate on and much more interesting than "accidentally fell off the ship" - but just not something that really happens.

The risk/reward for a criminal plying this trade would be outrageous.

 

[Chypre]

It’s self explanatory. Drug trafficking has been a problem on Curaçao for many years. Amy could have been lured into the drug trade, and then used as a decoy to move drugs.

Great point

 

[Mica]

Right. How does drug trafficking in Curaçao now relate to what could have happened to Amy a quarter-century earlier?

Drug trafficking has been present in Curaçao since the 1990’s.

Everybody is entitled to a theory - right or wrong. This is my theory.

 

[Salah11]

There were 2 girls who reportedly saw AB and AD entering the glass elevator up to the disco. Then a 3rd woman witnessed AD giving AB a brown drink at the disco. The first 2 saw AD walk by them alone ‘a short time’ after that. I don’t think this 3rd woman was part of the Netflix documentary. At least one of the’2’ claimed she spoke to Amy earlier in the evening and was aware of her new dog,new job etc. Could all 3 of these women have seen someone else? Or was their timeline off by a few hours?
I surely don’t know.

So multiple people can point to her being alive and well after she left her cabin at 5.30am. Which is what I thought but somehow she jumped or fell.