VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

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If the facts have led them this way, then it’s hardly their fault.

There is not a single bit of evidence that she fell overboard, and the family don’t believe she did for various reasons. For them, it must be highly frustrating that some continue to Peddle a narrative that's not backed up by facts.
The only evidence that Amy went over the railing is:
  • the low table was pushed against the glass railing
  • Amy's shoes were placed side by side next to the table
  • around 6 AM, Amy's father heard a commotion that woke him up, Amy was no longer on the balcony
  • the commotion was significant enough that he got out of bed and searched for her, then reported her missing within the hour
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Remember - she isn’t here to defend herself. I don’t believe she told him this! It’s too much information for someone you just met!
What does she need defending from?

Sometimes the people you have only glancing contacts with can be the easiest to talk to. If she needed to talk and she could not confide in her family, why not someone she would never see again?
 
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Has it been stated where the cigarettes and lighter were when they were on deck chatting?
I would have to watch the Netflix program again, but did her father say that she left them behind? He said something about the cigarettes - anyone recall?
 
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Remember - she isn’t here to defend herself. I don’t believe she told him this! It’s too much information for someone you just met!
You should watch the video interview of him- on YouTube - search James Renner Amy Lynn Bradley. The interview took place this year in Grenada (where he performs exorcisms and is a reverend in his own church) so he might have read something online about her sexual orientation and then wove it into his narrative of what happened that night.
 
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I would have to watch the Netflix program again, but did her father say that she left them behind? He said something about the cigarettes - anyone recall?
She took cigarettes and lighter with her
 
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The only evidence that Amy went over the railing is:
  • the low table was pushed against the glass railing
  • Amy's shoes were placed side by side next to the table
  • around 6 AM, Amy's father heard a commotion that woke him up, Amy was no longer on the balcony
  • the commotion was significant enough that he got out of bed and searched for her, then reported her missing within the hour
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Curious to whether "commotion" were father's words.
 
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He just said something woke him up
 
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Unfortunately their sightings can't be confirmed (including the time) and they also are the only sightings of Yellow or Amy after (I think), 3:30-ish AM. If she left the room between 5:30 and whenever the father woke (5:50?) - it's hard to believe more wouldn't have seen either or both of them, at some point.
Agreed. I think the one woman interviewed truly believes she saw Amy in the glass elevator, and as of now I'd say it's certainly possible. But before Amy went back to her cabin. You usually settle into your own go-to routes on a ship, so while she went up in the elevator, she may have then staired it to her cabin on 8. The ROS only has 12 decks, and her cabin was almost dead center, so close to stairs and an elevator. Meanwhile staff/crew cabins are the dungeon decks, so I'd say Yellow (who I'd give the ID benefit of the doubt to the witness as well) was taking her up to meet a 3rd person who had drugs and not to his own cabin. We can't know, but I'd guess Yellow likely wouldn't have anything on himself if he'd been on a dance floor interacting with passengers and other crew all night. And certainly not an actual transaction with security cameras and cell phones popping up. I don't know his business acumen, but he certainly had a good gig going with his music and lots of women, why risk it all to get someone high for an hour? Better to hook her up afterwards.

I don't recall but I imagine this witness was unsober...but even if not time is fuzzy, vacation time in the wee hours even more so. Do you say "hey there's that chick that was doing the Macarena, what time is it?" and dutifully check your watch or phone? Furthermore, cruises are like casinos...there intentionally is no time keeping outside the customer service desk and main screen in the common area. Regardless, seeing Amy still fits before she enters her cabin. It also makes more sense for Amy to be with Yellow right after the nightlcub than hours later. I'd accept a drug deal between new partier acquaintances (who both knew Amy was gay) over Yellow throwing her overboard (so risky it defies logic unless she pulled a gun out of the ether on him and he acted in self defense, erm). Or worse arranging her kidnapping off a major cruiseline with security (you could argue less than stellar security compared to now) but still a wholly unnecessary risk to A LOT more than just his job as a bass player.

As Devil's Advocate for his involvement in anything, it'd be far easier to give her bad intel on where to go in port and then get a share on a robbery. But even then, is it worth it? If it's botched, the robber sings. As for the oldest profession, there are thousands of already on-shore girls/teens/women (and men I might add) vacationing who could disappear exponentially faster, let alone more smoothly in terms of planning/risk. Different circumstances, but Natalee Holloway leaving a bar with a local is a lot less "things have to go exactly right" than abducting someone off a ship with thousands of eyes and chances for discovery. To believe Amy was a forced escort, makes it necessary to believe she was taken in some way. To believe it was from port means she didn't tell anyone where she was going (also possible, but if you believe her Dad was such a worrier, it's sticky) - but to believe she was hustled off the ship against her will makes it all too fantastical. Not just the machinations of it, but the reasoning...there's no shortage of trafficking victims and they are refreshed as they age out. Even if she were an escort in 1998, she wouldn't be usable for long, and very likely dead before that. Harsh yes, reality yes.

As for Yellow not acknowledging the witness on his way back, maybe he is a dog and he'd exhausted his effort on them, maybe he was high and was totally unaware of them while looking directly at them. "He's stonefaced because he just killed or stuffed an unconcious Amy into a suitcase and is trying to be invisible" would be my last guess, especially since that would be potentially medmorable and not playing it cool. Cruise staff, like resort staff, excel at playing it cool, with everyone, not just the ladies - let there be tips. But unless he's a professional hitman or otherwise made of ice, if he'd done something to Amy he'd also probably use staff exits to get back to his cabin, not be strolling along the most passenger prone areas.

I think Yellow is guilty of being a player and unfaithful to his wife. And potentially a bad father, though the segment with his daughter IMO was not only edited out of order, but intentionally made it look like he hung up on her. Plus no earth-shattering takeaways, so who knows. The "Beware of Yellow" posts look to me like pissed conquests, and fair enough, no one accused him of being a saint. Same for his collection of pictures, the guy likes <censored>. In defense of his apparent MO, even if it didn't 'work out' with Amy, he'd have new batch of options in a few days, and every week after that for his months-long tour. I don't think it's the case with Amy, but my point is it wouldn't have been his first rodeo being rejected. He's not likely to cry over spilled milk, and to make the leap to killing her I don't buy.

We also don't know if he gave her anything in the first place. I have always assumed weed, and they smoked it together and/or she took some for the road. But what if he gave her something stronger? She gets back and chats with Brad, they both do it or he goes to bed and she takes it. Instead of being mellow with munchies she's tripping and thinks she can fly and it doesn't end well. It'd be even worse if someone other than Yellow gave it to her. I know, we have no released evidence she did hard drugs. But maybe she'd been drinking and decided to try it for the first time. Because we have no evidence she didn't. For so many what-ifs it's amazing the only fact of those early morning hours is a door key timestamp.
 
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Remember - she isn’t here to defend herself. I don’t believe she told him this! It’s too much information for someone you just met!
I don't think it odd she told him. First, it wouldn't be that taboo for a lot of people, and second it's not an interrogation, and could've come up organically. "Where you from?" "VA." "Cool, I'm from Grenada." "Married, boyfriend?" "Actually, girlfriend." The same things you might ask anyone. Especially for social people, and especially especially at a bar.
 
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I don’t have a link but I am sure it’s been said previously she was afraid of heights. But I don’t know where that originated from. Maybe a previous TV show?

That’s obviously another reason why they don’t believe she fell overboard as she was to afraid to go near the railing.

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Yes, that would be a reason, if she were afraid of heights. It also stands to reason if she were afraid enough to have them mention it, would she be out there at all in the first place? These balconies are 3-4 feet wide. In this case 8 stories up in the air and near constant breeze or full on gusts, and occasional spray, reminding you whole-heartedly that you're way up and not behind glass. Doable if you're just 'not a fan' of heights, but to be so adament about her being actually "afraid" and not getting near the balcony seems like doth protesting too much. Especially coupled with an entire panoramic view of her other alleged fear - open water.
 
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Remember - she isn’t here to defend herself. I don’t believe she told him this! It’s too much information for someone you just met!
Her girlfriend confirmed this and the dad actually wrote the girlfriend a letter when he found out about it.They were not thrilled but they loved Amy.
 
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Are you just going to skip over the "First thing that morning before any announcements were made" part
I thought Yellow said in the documentary that while they had not made a public announcement staff were looking, and that someone called him to see if he was in his room and said that the girl he had been dancing with the night before was missing, did he know where she was. I assumed that he then left his room, saw Brad and said sorry about your sister. I think that doesn’t indicate guilt or not because if you take out all suspicion, anyone who had hung out that night and heard she was missing would likely say, say sorry to hear about your sister so I think this particular fact is a red herring.
 
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The only evidence that Amy went over the railing is:
  • the low table was pushed against the glass railing
  • Amy's shoes were placed side by side next to the table
  • around 6 AM, Amy's father heard a commotion that woke him up, Amy was no longer on the balcony
  • the commotion was significant enough that he got out of bed and searched for her, then reported her missing within the hour
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As far as I’m aware, they don’t know if Amy did that or the cleaner when she came in.

She has multiple pairs of shoes on the trip so the shoes being left behind don’t prove a thing.

The noise that woke him could have been anything, including Amy shutting the door behind her.

Crystal Roberts testified in a grand jury that she saw Amy that morning with Yellow. So 2 people are absolutely adamant they saw her that morning and went as far as being on unsolved mysteries and then a grand jury. That, for me, carries a lot of weight because you don't do all that if you're not confident of what you saw.
 
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As far as I’m aware, they don’t know if Amy did that or the cleaner when she came in.

She has multiple pairs of shoes on the trip so the shoes being left behind don’t prove a thing.

The noise that woke him could have been anything, including Amy shutting the door behind her.

Crystal Roberts testified in a grand jury that she saw Amy that morning with Yellow. So 2 people are absolutely adamant they saw her that morning and went as far as being on unsolved mysteries and then a grand jury. That, for me, carries a lot of weight because you don't do all that if you're not confident of what you saw.
First, I LOVE that Netflix brought this case back to life.

Secondly, there are 69 pages of comments. I have not read them all, but, who is Yellow? I am doing a deep dive into the band member who was seen on the boat with her, Douglas, after 5:15am. He was scene with her en-route and not at port, and then he came back to his cabin without her. Means nothing. But, he was absolutely the last person who saw her alive and in person. Is Douglas Yellow?

It seems that Amy was on the balcony of the suite, sleeping at 5:15am. Off the master bedroom. Dad got up and checked. then checked again, but didn't hear anything from 5:15am to 6:00am when she was gone.

I think she was murdered, but I say that without any evidence. I am still trolling. what is the thoughts here?
 
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Why? It is literally something that Amy's family has actually done. Before the documentary, the idea that Amy was lesbian or bisexual was not publicly raised. I do not remember anything like that.

This is because, for nearly thirty years, they chose to hide this for any number of reasons, most notably because they did not like the fact that she was lesbian and never had the chance to process these things with their daughter.

This is the opposite of a wild claim. This is something taking their words at face value, though also backed up by her girlfriends' statements.
I assumed it was because there is a perception that inherent discrimination against LGBTQ means that less resources will be used to locate them. Back in 1998 I think that would have been a very fair concern. In my own opinion I would suspect that it would not interfere with any assistance by the FBI, but homosexuality is still in some and most definitely was back then discriminated against in many Caribbean countries, it was just not as acceptable (not all but many). I had assumed that the FBI or someone else had suggested to the family to lay low on those details because they would need cooperation and buy in from local authorities. I am assuming that is not an issue anymore (to lay low on her sexuality)because either they didn’t get assistance anyway or the culture has moved in many places to make it a non issue. For example a mother hid her daughters LGBTQ status last year in the Bahamas because she worried it would impede the investigation and people would stop looking for her. Mother of American missing in Bahamas shielded daughter's trans identity
 
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Different perspective here. I wore my hair that short in the 80's and 90's and I was and am as straight as a board. I started wearing my hair short in the 80's because it was hard to manage because, like Amy, I played basketball. I was also a cheerleader, so there is also that. It was just easier. In the era of 80's big hair, I could have gone above and beyond the look (my hair was big without trying to be) but I actually didn't like it so I trended the opposite direction. I loved the short hair on Olivia Newton-John. Ha. I went back to wearing it short in the 90's when I was a young mom and it was just easier for me. I was never mistaken for a lesbian that I ever knew of, so there is my experience. I knew lots of girls/ladies who wore their hair short who were like me.
So I just don't see this as being a factor in her disappearance.
I was thinking of Charmed which was on then, both Alyssa Milano and Shannon Doherty rocked short hair at one point, of course they could both pull off any haircut but it was definitely a trend.
 
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I assumed it was because there is a perception that inherent discrimination against LGBTQ means that less resources will be used to locate them. Back in 1998 I think that would have been a very fair concern. In my own opinion I would suspect that it would not interfere with any assistance by the FBI, but homosexuality is still in some and most definitely was back then discriminated against in many Caribbean countries, it was just not as acceptable (not all but many). I had assumed that the FBI or someone else had suggested to the family to lay low on those details because they would need cooperation and buy in from local authorities. I am assuming that is not an issue anymore (to lay low on her sexuality)because either they didn’t get assistance anyway or the culture has moved in many places to make it a non issue. For example a mother hid her daughters LGBTQ status last year in the Bahamas because she worried it would impede the investigation and people would stop looking for her. Mother of American missing in Bahamas shielded daughter's trans identity

You are 100% correct. As sad and pitiful as it is. In 1998, it absolutely would have been a concern. Ellen DeGeneres came out in 1997, a year prior to Amy’s disappearance. She was treated abysmally, and her career was nearly destroyed because of it. Her sitcom was cancelled. Sponsors dropped her, she was even getting called ‘’Ellen Degenerate’’ on talkback radio etc. And this was in Hollywood and America. In the Caribbean, it would have been viewed a million times ''worse.'' A very, very sad state of affairs.
 
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