VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[RandyMcDonald]

Please keep up with your own statements.

We have had a very busy discussion here over the past few days. Can you please tell me what you were responding to? I would like to respond to it but do not want to risk guessing wrongly.

 

[sasha17]

According to her brother, she had 6 lite beer over 12 hours. She wasn't feeling well at 4 AM, so she didn't go to bed.

Were there illegal drugs on the cruise ship that staff used to inject passengers before sneaking them off the ship into the waiting arms of prostitution gangs? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

There are so many "what if" possibilities, but very little reason to lean into them.

This part about "didn't feel well" so she didn't go to bed sticks out to me. Personally, if it was 4am and I was feeling ill, going to bed and trying to sleep would be top of my list of things to do. I wouldn't try to stay up even longer. JMO

 

[otto]

We have to let go of the idea that Amy was a hard core drug addict who could not survive a one week long cruise without drugs. I doubt that Amy would take dangerous risks for drugs. I suspect that's not who Amy was - that was not her life.

Therefore, she did not have any contact with anyone on the ship in the pursuit of illegal drugs.

Therefore, she did not meet with a band member at 6 AM to get drugs. She also didn't meet with him for a hook-up because she was not interested in men.

That leaves us with the question: why would Amy leave her room at 6 AM, after a night without sleep, to meet with a band member? What purpose. What realistic purpose???

 

[otto]

This part about "didn't feel well" so she didn't go to bed sticks out to me. Personally, if it was 4am and I was feeling ill, going to bed and trying to sleep would be top of my list of things to do. I wouldn't try to stay up even longer. JMO

We don't know why she wasn't feeling well, but the comment came from Brad, so he must know why she wasn't feeling well. Why hasn't he explained that?

Brad said:

• she didn't drink enough to be drunk, and
• she wasn't feeling well.

What did they talk about before he went to bed that left him believing that she wasn't feeling well. Feeling unwell in what way? Sad? Upset? What does unwell mean, since it wasn't alcohol?

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Drugs and sex trade runs hand in hand. Many American tourists are abducted and trafficked throughout the world. Read the report. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://polarisproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/us-citizen-sex-trafficking.pdf

Thank you for sharing the link.

https://polarisproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/us-citizen-sex-trafficking.pdf

I would note that this talks about sex trafficking within the United States, and says nothing about US citizens being tracked outside of the United States. Do you have anything about that?

I would note that page 4 of the document you shared does talk about the risk factors. Many of them do not apply here at all: Amy did not have housing insecurity, for instance, and while she did probably have student loans she also had a job lined up. She also was not young--apparently many of the people that organization deals with were recruited as teenagers, or even younger.

Amy did have a home life that was not supportive, some emotional problems, and probably some substance abuse issues, but these seem not to have been that bad. I mean, she was going off to live a life separate from her family and had plans moving forward. She had problems and she had a pathway forward.

 

[amyynkaa]

Hi, have you guys seen the netflix documentary? i think she got out of the boat for sexwork.. it seems the most believeable since the witnesses coming to fbi

 

[lohrtabitha]

He has - it was required by legal proceedings.

Nope. We dont know where body is. He was sentenced for extortion.

Joran van der Sloot Pleads Guilty and Is Sentenced for Extortion and Wire Fraud

www.justice.gov

 

[Quill]

Amy Bradley was not sex trafficked.

In your opinion....right?

 

[MesquiteO21]

To discount that Amy went over the railing because there was no scream seems to presume that, as with the movies, everyone screams - rather than takes in a deep breath - when shocked.

People also discount that she went over the railing because her remains did not wash up on the Island. Natalee Holloway went into the ocean at the Aruba beach and did not wash up on shore - most likely due to riptides. Remember the years of speculation that she was being trafficked on nearby Islands?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. No scream and no remains does not mean it did not happen.

We have as factual evidence:

• table pushed against glass railing (safety regulations should require that cleaning staff place table away from railing; use standard balcony furniture layout for all balconies after cleaning),
• shoes placed side by side next to table and balcony railing,
• sound from balcony at approx. 6 AM that caused sleeping father to wake up and look at balcony (father immediately saw that Amy no longer on balcony),
• father did not assume that Amy went to bed - obvious assumption since she stayed up all night, and
• father got up, left room, searched for Amy, reported her missing within the hour.

Amy was last seen on the balcony at 5:40 AM. Her father heard a sound and looked at the balcony at 6:00 AM - presumably because that is where the sound originated. He then assumed that something happened to her at a different location, not where she was last seen, and not where he looked and expected to see her when he heard a noise that woke him up. Why?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

lol i said the exact same thing. of course. but logically speaking, why would people lean towards a theory where there's nothing (at least that we know of right now)? i didn't say she definitely would've screamed, just that it would certainly be a possibility as would maybe a thud of her body hitting the water (she was a strong swimmer, yes, but also presumably drunk at the time so nailing a perfect headfirst dive from a ship into the ocean would be hard for any inebriated person even if you're Michael Phelps).

a "sound" and a "commotion" he heard is rather vague, i wish we had more specifics. like someone else mentioned, it could've been the balcony door, maybe she had been struggling with it. i know personally when i'm half awake sounds can seem way worse and more confusing than they actually are

moo

 

[Mica]

I want to start this off by saying I was disappointed in how Amy’s family reacted to her coming out. That takes a lot of courage, and it’s not something you choose. Which is why I think this case bothers me to the degree it does. Also, the Cruise activity director was an AH. Absolutely empathy-less person who should’ve never had the position he had.

I feel she left the ship for drugs with yellow. Maybe to deal with her situation or just to try it with someone she thought she could trust. I don’t think she jumped. The letter she wrote/sent to her ex the day before she disappeared was uplifting and hopeful, which tells us where her head was at.

Timeline-wise.

She was in Curacao on March 21, 1998

She was seen at the beach Porto Marie, August 1998

Brothel in Curaçao, January 1999

Music festival in San Francisco, CA, in 2003

Store bathroom, Bridgetown, Barbados 2005

(The last one is where that woman hears the conversation between Amy and another man about a deal. she asks to see the kids, which leads me to believe she has either a child or children. Which could be being used as a threat to keep her from running or talking to anyone.)

Now, let’s fast forward.

Her family creates a website, and someone sits on family photos for a while during times when it would’ve been important dates. 17 November 22, 19 November 22, and 22 March 23.

The IP address leads to a gas station (possible device login from the parking lot.) Esso Black Rock Tiger Market Convenience Store / Sol Gas Station in Barbados, Saint Michael

(Google: Latitude: N: 13.1333 Longitude: W: 59.6333)

This location is a popular place for university students to use the free wifi. (A university not far from this location).

It's 2025, she was born in 1974, so she would be 51. If she had a child or children, they might be about 20-25? (Estimates bc I don’t have any facts regarding them) I don't think it would be them looking at photos of her family for that long. And I don't think she used anyone else's cell phone bc she doesn't know who she can trust.

That’s the last known location I can find, but I would love it if someone has information on other events where she was seen.


I want to start this by saying how courageous I find Amica Douglas for making that phone call. That takes courage, and it couldn’t have been easy. She’s amazing, I hope she knows that.

Now onto Alister “Yellow” Douglas, but I’m not going to talk about the past him as much as the current.

He currently lives in Saint George’s, Grenada. He is a minister at a church called the Church of the Nazarene in Saint George, Grenada. He was ordained as Reverend Christopher Douglas in April 2013. Which is the name he goes by now.


But here’s where things get twisted, guys.

He is the “Managing Director” at Mountain Peek Group Ltd from 2013 to current and has been Managing Director at Throne Room Enterprises since 2023.

Thone Room Enterprises LLC is based out of Miami, Florida, and the status is currently active. The company was incorporated on January 27, 2017. The business Owner is registered to Sean Wheeler or Sharaun s Wheeler. Or what I have found.

Now I have read that Alfred Cotton was seen twice with Amy. And that man and his wife, Jennifer, were arrested in 2016 and sent to jail for 5 years for sexual tourism. That would’ve meant they would be out in 2021? (BTW 5 years for Sexual Tourism is so light imo) If I understood correctly is in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Okay. So now the twisted question I’m scared to ask. Thone room enterprises & events LLC… Any chance that “business” could be shady?

The FBI was warned about Alister before what happened to Amy happened with a similar incident. He knows this trade. I have a hard time believing he would just turn a new leaf.

You can take a man out of a business, but you can’t take the business out of a man.


Thoughts? I can provide screenshots/sources if I have them or if it is necessary.

The Cotton’s both pled guilty in exchange for five years probation. No jail time. They also had to undergo counseling that focused on sex abuse.

Florida couple admits to running sex tourism operation, will serve five years of probation

A Florida couple admitted to running a sex tourism operation in which they booked Dominican Republic trips with added “perks.” Alfred and Jennifer Cotten, 50 and 49, of Tropical Adult V…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Quill]

I apologize if this has been mentioned in this quick-evolving thread.

I recently saw the other NSFW pictures of the woman they theorize is AB, and those additional pictures (I haven't seen anywhere else and certainly not in the Netflix doc) def do not bear a ton of likeness to AB, imo. Especially because the photos with her back shoulder don't have the Tasmanian devil tattoo.

I obviously cannot post the link to those photos here, but I'm happy to share the thread in which they're talked about.

I do wonder about removing the tattoos through PS. I was learning how to do this in the early 2000's. I once removed an ex- BIL from a family photo pretty convincingly. It was like he was never there, even though the background was complicated.

 

[Chypre]

We have had a very busy discussion here over the past few days. Can you please tell me what you were responding to? I would like to respond to it but do not want to risk guessing wrongly.

Same here. I don't know f I was replying to someone else's statement about desperation. I made a comment how quickly Amy could have become desperate. I believe you replied that she could have quickly become desperate.

 

[otto]

Can we please step back to the beginning? I'm lost.

How does Amy first meet sex traffickers?

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Same here. I don't know f I was replying to someone else's statement about desperation. I made a comment how quickly Amy could have become desperate. I believe you replied that she could have quickly become desperate.

Believe me, I want to respond to this, but without knowing the context I cannot. Do you know some exact words I used? I could try to find it.

 

[amyynkaa]

Can we please step back to the beginning? I'm lost.

How does Amy first meet sex traffickers?

a witness came forward that he met her in some illegal place and she told him shes being held

 

[otto]

a witness came forward that he met her in some illegal place and she told him shes being held

Okay, but that's after the fact.

She's on the balcony with her brother. He went to bed. Her father saw her on the balcony. He heard a noise. She was gone.

How does she meet sex traffickers?

 

[Torchless]

The Cotton’s both pled guilty in exchange for five years probation. No jail time. They also had to undergo counseling that focused on sex abuse.

Florida couple admits to running sex tourism operation, will serve five years of probation

A Florida couple admitted to running a sex tourism operation in which they booked Dominican Republic trips with added “perks.” Alfred and Jennifer Cotten, 50 and 49, of Tropical Adult V…

www.nydailynews.com

Thank you, let me edit that. Appreciate you. - I just learnt I can't edit, but thank you.

 

[amyynkaa]

she was seen later with one worker there by some ladies, wasnt she?. but later he was seen alone.. its weird

Okay, but that's after the fact.

She's on the balcony with her brother. He went to bed. Her father saw her on the balcony. He heard a noise. She was gone.

How does she meet sex traffickers?

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Wrong person. I've had no conversation you about sources.

That was directed to someone else, the person who shared the below link on sex trafficking of US citizens

https://polarisproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/us-citizen-sex-trafficking.pdf

without noting that it actually said nothing about American citizens being trafficked outside of the US.

I had pointed out above, looking at page 4, that the sociodemographics of the victims the group deal with is not relevant to Amy—she was not facing housing insecurity, for instance.

 

[otto]

she was seen later with one worker there by some ladies, wasnt she?. but later he was seen alone.. its weird

Why would she leave her room at 6 AM to get on elevator with a member of the band?