VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[na19]

This part about "didn't feel well" so she didn't go to bed sticks out to me. Personally, if it was 4am and I was feeling ill, going to bed and trying to sleep would be top of my list of things to do. I wouldn't try to stay up even longer. JMO

Or she just said that because she knew she was about to leave the room to meet up with Yellow (for whatever reason) and used staying out on the balcony as an excuse.

 

[Sarahlou]

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If this is indeed how it was, I must say, I dont like those railings at all.

This is an up to date photo. If you do a Google search for it you find it on the cruise website.
I'd personally ignore anything the brother posts.

 

[K9Enzo]

I know of a mother whose unprepared daughter went missing solo hiking in the PNW. She still believes her daughter was sex trafficked off the mountain and has accused innocent people over the years. In the 80’s early 90’s it was satanic panic that was blamed for many unsolved cases. Now it’s sex trafficking. There might be undesirable people throughout these cases but many have been wrongly accused by the public led mostly by the families. imo

 

[Quill]

Only one was on the documentary. I'm not saying that they were lying, however there were thousands of people on that boat. I find it difficult to believe that they would remember an innocuous view of one person, several days after it happened. Amy was a stranger to them. They could easily be mistaken.
Jmo

The documentary is a tv show. All three of these people are on the actual record, officially interviewed by the FBI with official statements. At least two have (of these three being discussed right now) have sworn to their testimony under oath, which if found to be lying is punishable by fines and jail time. I'm not sure if the third person testified.

I'm pretty sure that the girls visited with Amy on the cruise enough to know about her future plans. It was mentioned in the documentary about the different stages of life they were in and she something about being envious of Amy because she had finished school and was starting her own life. Maybe strangers as far as having only met on a cruise, but not complete strangers. They had interacted and they knew Amy by name.

 

[Serononin]

The boat had not docked at 6 AM, so there was no reason for her to leave the room at that time to get off the ship. If she wanted beer or cigarettes, I'm guessing that is available on the ship. There's no record of her going shopping at 6 AM.

She allegedly left her room at 6 AM for a reason, even though she was not drunk, she was not feeling well, and she had not slept for 36 hours.

Why did she leave her room in the first place ... certainly not to wander around feeling unwell on a ship full of sleeping passengers. By all accounts, she was a high-functioning, normal, healthy, intelligent young woman. If she left the room at 6 AM, there must be a reasonable explanation.

Purely thinking about what I would do if I were awake on a cruise ship at 6am, I would most likely go and get food

 

[RandyMcDonald]

I would also note that if we are talking about a hypothetical scenario where Amy was being kept in someone's basement, this would also not be compatible with the sex trafficking angle. We have seen consistently that, whenever this has happened, the abductor has kept the abductee for themselves. The abductee has been their dirty little secret, entirely their own, never to be shared with anyone else.

The exception seems to come with some serial killers. John Wayne Gacy seems plausibly to have shared his victims with other people, as did Dean Corll. In these cases, though, this seems to have been the end point of conventional sex trafficking. Corll found some victims via younger teens, while Gacy seems to have taken hugely cruel advantage of teenagers looking for work (among others). Almost all of these victims were killed, a very few managing to escape.

 

[otto]

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If this is indeed how it was, I must say, I dont like those railings at all.

Doing an image search, we see how easy it is to pull up unrelated photos of a cruise ship balcony and make unrelated claims about Amy.

This is the origin of the photo shared today by the person named Brad Bradley:

Grandeur of the Seas Cabin 7096

Full details for cabin stateroom number 7096 on Grandeur of the Seas including actual pictures and/or videos, diagrams and features.

www.cruisedeckplans.com

 

[otto]

Or she just said that because she knew she was about to leave the room to meet up with Yellow (for whatever reason) and used staying out on the balcony as an excuse.

Meet up with the married man who plays in a band at 6 AM for what reason? Not believable. She wasn't interested in men.

 

[TizerisT]

Sex trafficking targets people who are vulnerable, falling into categories of vulnerability that Amy either did not fall into

You find it hard to beleive that Amy could have a been a sex-trade victim, which is fine, but you're doing it on a box-ticking basis. Its not as simple as that

Moreover, Amy disappeared even before she got to a Curaçao that is not only relatively stable

I'm not disputing that she may not have docked, but please dont go down this 'stable' vs warzone thing again. A predator is a predator. And the region is stable how? Police are indifferent and corrupt out there.

 

[Quill]

Innocent until proven guilty. There is no proof ergo he is innocent. The end of the documentary states that there is no evidence against him. That's the same as cleared imo.

Innocent until proven guilty is a function of a court of law. A person can be guilty as sin and still be considered innocent until proven guilty. I think a better way to describe Yellow is that he remains under suspicion and any evidence related to his involved would be investigated if brought forward, which is one aspect of the purpose of the documentary and keeping Amy's case in the public eye. No one is "cleared" unless they say the words "cleared". Saying there is no evidence absolutely does not mean cleared. Cleared means they have investigated and proven that he had no involvement. Proving that would involve him having an ironclad alibi (he doesn't) or something similar. Again, the absence of proof does not clear the person; it simple means there is no evidence to charge.

 

[otto]

Purely thinking about what I would do if I were awake on a cruise ship at 6am, I would most likely go and get food

Okay ... she's hungry and looks for food. Someone jumps out of a closet, grabs her, stuffs her into a barrel and she's sent to an Island for prostitution?

Not one customer in 27 years wants the reward money?

That doesn't make sense.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

I know of a mother whose unprepared daughter went missing solo hiking in the PNW. She still believes her daughter was sex trafficked off the mountain and has accused innocent people over the years. In the 80’s early 90’s it was satanic panic that was blamed for many unsolved cases. Now it’s sex trafficking. There might be undesirable people throughout these cases but many have been wrongly accused by the public led mostly by the families. imo

I think a lot of this comes down to the desperate human desire to make sense of tragedy.

Great conspiracies may well have more appeal than random things happening—a fall, say, or an attack by a single person—because of issues of proportionality. Great events having feat caused, that sort of thing. Living in a world where things happen can be a problem.

I would also suggest that another reason is that,.if there are great conspiracies, there is the possibility that sufficiently determined and competent work might uncover and end them. Without venturing too deeply into contemporary politics, it seems like this really does appear to lots of people. We like fixing things.

 

[amyynkaa]

The documentary is a tv show. All three of these people are on the actual record, officially interviewed by the FBI with official statements. At least two have (of these three being discussed right now) have sworn to their testimony under oath, which if found to be lying is punishable by fines and jail time. I'm not sure if the third person testified.

is the documentary a reliable source of info?

 

[Quill]

I think you are mistaken re: a grand jury.

I am not. One of the witness says that in the documentary. Another witness who didn't appear in the documentary has said that she testified, as well.

 

[Serononin]

Okay ... she's hungry and looks for food. Someone jumps out of a closet, grabs her, stuffs her into a barrel and she's sent to an Island for prostitution?

Not one customer in 27 years wants the reward money?

That doesn't make sense.

I agree. Any scenario that involves her being smuggled off the ship would rely on a lot of high-risk moving parts that would all have to operate completely smoothly. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I personally think it's pretty near the bottom of the list of likely explanations

 

[TizerisT]

Okay ... she's hungry and looks for food. Someone jumps out of a closet, grabs her, stuffs her into a barrel and she's sent to an Island for prostitution?

Not one customer in 27 years wants the reward money?

That doesn't make sense.

What Serononin said is actually a good theory. Why not? Walking off to get a snack is entirely feasible.

 

[Quill]

is the documentary a reliable source of info?

You missed the point. Yes, it is reliable. However, disputing other known and verified witnesses because they did not appear in the documentary is not a reliable fact. We know there were people interviewed for the doc that ended up on the cutting room floor.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

You find it hard to beleive that Amy could have a been a sex-trade victim, which is fine, but you're doing it on a box-ticking basis. Its not as simple as that

We can determine what does and what does not make sense. Sex traffickers are not nice people but they have some common sense. Imagining a scenario that requires them to have abandoned all common sense for years on end in just the right way is one thing, but if the scenario is supposed to mean anything more than a desperate attempt to make sense of a tragedy you need to provide evidence.

I'm not disputing that she may not have docked, but please dont go down this 'stable' vs warzone thing again. A predator is a predator. And the region is stable how? Police are indifferent and corrupt out there.

Well, no, we really do have to take a look at Curaçao and Curaçao specifically, as I have said. The Caribbean region is pretty diverse, with huge variations in culture, language, politics, and economics. Curaçao is not Port-au-Prince. Pretending that the Caribbean exists as a single undifferentiated mass is not only factually wrong but really unhelpful in understanding what could have happened.

We can have individual predators without there being huge conspiracies that no one has heard of.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

But why would three people lie? At least two of these testified before a grand jury.

Money.

 

[K9Enzo]

is the documentary a reliable source of info?

Not entirely. There are known facts presented but has a ton of hearsay and speculation. There are many theories that are not challenged. It’s not balanced. It’s presented in a suspenseful way and did a good job of bringing the case back into public view- hence our discussion here on a 25 + year cold case. imo