VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

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  • #1,601
She was meeting the guy she was grinding with on the dancefloor. Watch the documentary.
I watched the documentary. Amy was not interested in men. Why would she meet with a married man when she was tired and feeling unwell? I don't believe it. It sounds like a Susan Smith excuse.
 
  • #1,602
Right. In 1998, cameras used film. A photo from 27 years ago will look like an old photo, not like a crisp modern digital image. Even when a photo is digitized, it still looks like an old photo - unless it is altered. Then it's not a real photo anymore.

The more important question is: Why is the Brad Bradley social media account posting current photos of a cruise ship balcony and making claims about Amy's disappearance 27 years ago?
Well aware. I am well versed in cameras, I've been a camera buff since I got my first camera in the early 80's that used 110 film. I've had many more throughout the years. Many adjustments can be made to a digitized photo and yes, it is still a "real" photo. But a really good scan done properly will yield a nice result from an intact photo without having to do much editing. I have done hundreds trying to preserve mine. I just wanted to understand your logic there.

Clearly Brad is engaging people who are throwing out ideas and that was something that was new to him and piqued his interest. You could ask him and get a better answer, because I really don't have one.
 
  • #1,603
Her brother said she had a boyfriend. Dont know why you keep stating that as fact.
Besides, do you really think he's gonna tell her he's married?
Maybe she just walked with him out of trust?
 
  • #1,604
The married man who worked for the cruise had previous accusations for inappropriate behavior with women guests on the cruise ships. That is a fact.

His wife saw the suitcase with photos of women, according to the daughter.

She said on the program that she needs answers. There is more to that story that we do not know, apparently. JMO

We could ask that question about every documentary we watch, but only they and Netflix know.I don't like the implication here.
It is a huge jump from saying someone is an unpleasant womanizer to saying someone is going to take point in a sex trafficking operation, especially a risky one.
 
  • #1,605
Amy wasn't a child sneaking out of the room in the middle of the night.

She was an adult who owned a car, a dog, and who lived independently. She had been partying for 10 hours. She was not drunk. She did not feel well. She had not been to bed.

Why would she leave the room? There's no reason.

The theory seems to be that Amy left her room and poof, she was a prostitute. There's no linking information.
I guess we disagree.
 
  • #1,606
She had been out partying all night long and hadn't slept in 36 hours. Why would she suddenly think that she has cabin fever and need to wander around a ship?

Who has cabin fever after 2 days on a cruise ship?

She was on the balcony, there was a noise, then she was gone.
Its common knowledge if you are feeling queasy the last place you want to be is inside your cabin room. It is best to get out in the fresh air and look at the horizon to counter motion sickness.
 
  • #1,607
Its common knowledge if you are feeling queasy the last place you want to be is inside your cabin room. It is best to get out in the fresh air and look at the horizon to counter motion sickness.
It is probably worth noting that she told at least one other person that she did not want to be on the cruise, and that she apparently had a fear of the oceans IIRC. I do not think she was comfortable.
 
  • #1,608
No, it actually is.

The whole story that the Bradleys are telling depends critically on the existence of a conspiracy that would not only carry off risky actions like kidnapping an American tourist from her cruise ship, but would turn go on to keep her in custody for years on end and even let her do hugely risky things like take foreign trips.

We need to prove the existence of this sort of conspiracy. The problem with doing that is that nothing like that has happened. Sex trafficking targets people who are vulnerable, falling into categories of vulnerability that Amy either did not fall into at all or fell into only marginally (she was upset with her family, yes, but she was hardly being groomed by an older boyfriend).

Moreover, Amy disappeared even before she got to a Curaçao that is not only relatively stable but had and has fairly stable patterns of recruiting women for sex work from nearby countries. She was not backpacking in rural Haiti without a cell phone.

I think it interesting to contrast Amy's experience with that of Jacqueline Vienneau. It does seem as if she made some mistakes, for instance travelling by herself, and not staying in regular contact. Syria kay not have been the best place to travel solo for a young woman, although it is worth noting that Syrians seem to have been almost uniformly appalled that one of their number betrayed their hospitality. Still, it just takes one person.

Amy was not in Jacqueline's position.



As I have said before, I think that if Amy did not fall, it is most likely that she was attacked. This does not mean that she was sex trafficked. That actually might have been barely imaginable in the case of Jacqueline, who had been visiting a country where deep internal divides and external conflicts exploded into civil war just four years after her death. ISIS there even conducted sex trafficking of women belonging to minority and unpopular groups, even Western women.

This is not likely in the case of Amy: Curaçao has had some difficulties negotiating its relationship with its past, with the Netherlands and with the other Dutch Caribbean islands, but the island has nothing like Syria's potential for violence. Imagining the sort of conspiracy there that would keep an abducted American tourist imprisoned as a sex slave for years on end is really hard. (Even harder would be imagining such a conspiracy that let her take trips abroad.)

It is also worth noting that the sex trafficking thing seems to be a product of the Bradleys' unhappiness with Amy's sexual orientation. "My daughter must be attractive to men, and would be attractive, if only she did not keep presenting herself as a lesbian." I am willing to bet that, in a slightly different timeline where Amy was straight and still disappeared, the Bradleys' attention would have a different focus, perhaps on the issue of balcony safety, perhaps in the issue of crew safety. The family's inability to imagine Amy as heterosexual even in the worst possible circumstances would not have manifested.
Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. You should not be attacking the Bradley's whatsoever. They are victims of this tragedy.
 
  • #1,609
Could be as simple as grabbing a snack or a coffee. She may have grabbed 2 hours sleep
Does anyone know where and when breakfast and snacks were being served? They might have been available early since the boat was planned to dock.
 
  • #1,610
All these allegations against the bass player - sounds like the man has been doxxed. I wonder whether he'll sue Netflix for slander, or has he already been paid to have the phone conversation with his daughter - where he repeatedly declares his innocence?
 
  • #1,611
Meet up with the married man who plays in a band at 6 AM for what reason? Not believable. She wasn't interested in men.
Amy's brother Brad has posted on his social media page that Amy was bisexual and was dating a coworker named Tom.
 
  • #1,612
It only takes a couple of people to kidnap or abduct a person. Here is a case in point. You don't need a gang.
It is interesting to note that, in this sad story, if the Virginia policeman had not investigated then the victim would probably have died. Starved and brutally tortured, she would not have been long for this world.
Many cruise lines have illegal drugs smuggled onto them. This group of four passengers had enough to tranquilize an elephant.

Drugs can definitely be a problem. I know that party drugs can be an issue on some gay-oriented cruises. (The cannabis, including gummies, I get. The carfentanyl, not so much.)
 
  • #1,613
Perhaps Yellow is a crappy husband. He openly flirted with cruise passengers. Maybe he’s even a creepy guy. It stinks for him to be seen that night interacting and dancing with AB. It sounds like he’s been throughly investigated and cooperated with LE. As for his daughter, her doubts may have been shaped by internet chatter and her parents, presumed, failed marriage. Her segment didn’t add much for me. imo
 
  • #1,614
I watched the documentary. Amy was not interested in men. Why would she meet with a married man when she was tired and feeling unwell? I don't believe it. It sounds like a Susan Smith excuse.
Says the girlfriend. But isn’t it possible that her personal knowledge isn’t a complete accounting of all of Amy’s possible feelings?
 
  • #1,615
It should be worth noting that the current US State Department security update for the Dutch Caribbean including the Caribbean recommends normal precauctions.


Petty crime is apparently an issue, including theft and credit card fraud, and there are concerns about increasing numbers of handguns. These are rates as being relatively minor, while local drug trafficking and terrorists in neighbouring countries are noted as factors that should not impact travellers.

I would be interested to see a comparable report from the late 1990s. Curaçao is simply not described now as a place incredibly dangerous for women, and I would like to see evidence as to how it was perceived by the US government at the time of Amy's disappearance.
Here is a report from the United Nations in 2013 that exposes human trafficking in Curacao "Curacao is a source, transit, and destination for women, children, and men who are subjected to sex trafficking and forced labor. There are indications that some of the hundreds of migrant women in Curacao's sex trade are victims of forced prostitution. It is unclear how the recruitment process works for Curacao's walled, legal brothel that offers "24/7 access to more than 120" foreign women in prostitution. Local authorities believe that migrant workers have also been subjected to forced domestic service and forced labor in construction, landscaping, and retail. Some migrants in restaurants and local businesses may be vulnerable to debt bondage. During the year, authorities reported Indian and Chinese nationals were vulnerable to forced labor in the country. Foreign trafficking victims originate predominantly from Colombia, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Asia. Organizations in Venezuela have also reported assisting trafficking victims who were exploited in Curacao. During the year, the government identified Haitian children transiting Curacao without their parents en route to Suriname who were potential trafficking victims."
 
  • #1,616
Every scenario of Amy walking off the ship, or being put in a box and removed from the ship, requires a plausible reason for her to leave her room at 6 AM. No one has provided a reason - not even family.

Per her brother, she was not drunk, she did not feel well, and we know she hadn't slept during the night. There is no plausible reason for her to leave the room.

The Brad Bradley social media account has an answer for that - she went through a moveable balcony wall ... look, here's a random photo from the internet to make that seem plausible!
Its says you are a verified expert. Are you FBI? The FBI would not have gotten involved in this investigation if they did not suspect foul play here.
 
  • #1,617
Boyfriend? Netflix interviewed girlfriends that Amy had contact with, including one on the day before the cruise ... with planned continued contact after the cruise. Amy sent her a postcard from the cruise. According to her family she had a boyfriend. No one who knew her recalls a boyfriend.

How did Amy and sex traffickers end up in the same place? Why did she leave her room? Cruise ships are not a place where sex traffickers loiter looking for victims.

I think it's quite possible that Amy had a lot more to drink, but according to her brother, she only had 6 lite beer during 12 hours. He was the last person to speak with her, presumably he gave facts. Therefore, she was not drunk.
7 beers. Her brother knew her pretty well . He also knew her boyfriend and that Amy was bisexual. If you had watched her dance with Yellow on the night she was missing, he was grinding on her from behind. She must have not minded it because she let him keep doing it.
 
  • #1,618
All these allegations against the bass player - sounds like the man has been doxxed. I wonder whether he'll sue Netflix for slander, or has he already been paid to have the phone conversation with his daughter - where he repeatedly declares his innocence?
No, the man was investigated and it's all a matter of public record.
 
  • #1,619
Why does it need to be US only citizens ? Any North American or European would fall into the same category in these cases.
 
  • #1,620
I have watched the Netflix documentary. The married man who works for the cruise as a musician is not suspicious. Why would Amy leave her room at 6 AM to meet him? He's as "suspicious" as "two black women dressed in blue" and a "staring Arab".

No one saw the suitcase filled with photos of Caucasian women.

Why did his daughter phone her father and record the conversation on camera during Netflix filming? What was that about?

Who did Netflix pay during production of the documentary?
Your analogy seems to be extremely racist and it probably should be retracted. Musicians and other cruise staff work for tips. Getting friendly with the passengers give them a fatter wallet. It was in his best interest to flirt and frolic with the passengers married or not.
 
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