VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[lohrtabitha]

I watched the documentary. Amy was not interested in men. Why would she meet with a married man when she was tired and feeling unwell? I don't believe it. It sounds like a Susan Smith excuse.

Then why dance with him?

 

[otto]

Your analogy seems to be extremely racist and it probably should be retracted. Musicians and other cruise staff work for tips. Getting friendly with the passengers give them a fatter wallet. It was in his best interest to flirt and frolic with the passengers married or not.

Apologies if my comment is misunderstood. My comments are based entirely on theories raised by the Netflix program. I don't think the bass player has anything to do with Amy's disappearance. I also don't believe that two black women in blue uniforms are related to Amy's disappearance. The Netflix program comments about an arab man staring at Amy also seems farfetched.

I think she went over the railing, and that accusations against the bass player are unfounded.

 

[lebvidox]

In many parts of the world, prostitution is illegal, and a sex worker who willingly engages in prostitution may face prosecution – in many jurisdictions, both the individual selling and buying sexual services can be arrested. But a person who claims to have been forced to engage in prostitution will not likely be criminally charged.

The crime of sex trafficking is an umbrella term whose criteria “is met when a trafficker recruits, harbors, transports, provides, obtains, patronizes, or solicits another person to engage in commercial sex.” The concept is very broad. It doesn’t need to be international transport. It could literally be in the same nation. You can take a woman from one city to a brothel in the other and it could be configured as sex trafficking.

In terms of international traffic, the most usual situation is for women of underdeveloped countries to be swayed with promises of legitimate jobs who turn out to be sex work. They left their countries willingly, they are then in a foreign country with no prospects, and they engage in this life. There are very few reliable records of women being “smuggled” in and out in this scenario, which would mean an operation large enough to bypass (or bribe) immigration officials.

Any data to make a case for Amy Bradley to be sex trafficked would have to include specific variables that we can't possibly find in any of those studies.

 

[TizerisT]

There are very few reliable records of women being “smuggled” in and out in this scenario, which would mean an operation large enough to bypass (or bribe) immigration officials.

It’s shown on the doc that there is many unofficial ports around there that boats arrive in, quite often just a patch of sand. Those international waters are very hazy in that regard, you can be in British waters , then American waters then British again within minutes. So they are poorly regulated. Even less so in the 90s

 

[lebvidox]

It’s shown on the doc that there is many unofficial ports around there that boats arrive in, quite often just a patch of sand. Those international waters are very hazy in that regard, you can be in British waters , then American waters then British again within minutes. So they are poorly regulated. Even less so in the 90s

That can be fine as a supposition, just not something that can be verified or included in any of those studies and sources that were provided.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The article phrased it as 'human trafficking and sex slavery'.

Here is an article to help you understand the relationship between the two terms atleast how the US government views it.

Archived: Human Trafficking

www.ice.gov

 

[lebvidox]

Here is an article to help you understand the relationship between the two terms atleast how the US government views it.

Archived: Human Trafficking

www.ice.gov

"Human traffickers prey on people who are hoping for a better life, lack employment opportunities, have an unstable home life or have a history of sexual or physical abuse. Traffickers promise a high-paying job, a loving relationship or new and exciting opportunities and then use physical and psychological violence to control them."

This is exactly what I've said on a previous comment:

"In terms of international traffic, the most usual situation is for women of underdeveloped countries to be swayed with promises of legitimate jobs who turn out to be sex work. They left their countries willingly, they are then in a foreign country with no prospects, and they engage in this life."

I'd also provide this link from the Department of Justice who makes a clear distinction between the concepts of sex trafficking and forced labor, both part of the understanding of Human Trafficking.

 

[jillolantern]

Apparently I'm the only person in the world without Netflix so here is me on the outside looking in.

In regard to the picture of Jas (Jaz?) was there any discussion about the metadata on the picture? Did such a thing even exist at that time? I'm thinking that its possibly a real picture of Amy but without metadata confirmation there's no way to know where or when it was taken. In that case, who cares if its Amy? It could have been taken as a birthday gift for her girlfriend at the Glamour Shots at the local mall for all we know.

The obvious question would be how did it get on the Internet? But as a theory, it seems equally likely as her being trafficked which people like to theorize about but is nowhere near as frequent a reality as a (wildly speculative) theory. Just spend 2 minutes reading about missing women and you'll notice that.

Anyway, the question is, is there any way to verify time and location that the picture was taken? If not, it doesn't mean anything at all except that she posed for a picture.

IMO

 

[jillolantern]

The only thing I don’t get about this is how come they haven’t traced the IP addresses if it’s a constant thing then it shouldn’t be hard to do.

Was there any discussion about whether the IP was verified to be an actual registered user of a local service vs. a VPN or some similar service?

 

[jillolantern]

My hope is that one of these days..if someone is minding/watching over her, they have a moment of compassion and let her go.
You see this sometimes happen when people are kidnapped by a couple, one half of the couple has a change of heart and releases their captive. Too farfetched???

What is the scenario that you're considering where she would still be minded/watched 25 years later at the age of approximately 50?

 

[DD Byrd]

Can anyone confirm the posts re the partition (or any of the other posts) are indeed Brad?

I'm less concerned with the photo and more with the message. The family did not know for 27 years, let alone the day of Amy's disappearance, if the partition was movable? That would have come up very early on considering she allegedly was last seen by her father ON the balcony, and was with her brother, according to Brad, not long before that.

Especially in light of the fact they claimed Breitag was sketchy long before that post. If they had even a wisp of suspicion, or maybe just in general, I'd think they'd have tested themselves whether she could have been pulled over to either neighbor's balcony, or climbed over the railing to one using this partition as support. I think they were desperate for answers and would have realized this feature. I also find it hard to believe if it was overlooked by them, it was then not mentioned by crew, the FBI, and other passengers who would have thought of it. Or it was, and now after the documentary becomes an issue?

As for the partition itself, I can't imagine this would be the case on every balcony; unless it was a safety escape route aft or forward if inner the hallway was impassable. Sounds like a security nightmare since some people sleep with their sliding door open for the breezes. It could've been a feature of connecting cabins, in which there's an inside door to connect the two if you're traveling together. Obviously you can lock it from both sides at any time and leave it locked if you're not traveling with your neighbor. But cabin 8564 isn't a connecting one, at least curretly. The ships are refurbed so maybe it was at one time. Either way, this strikes me as odd.

 

[GXP Sleuther]

Can anyone confirm the posts re the partition (or any of the other posts) are indeed Brad?

I'm less concerned with the photo and more with the message. The family did not know for 27 years, let alone the day of Amy's disappearance, if the partition was movable? That would have come up very early on considering she allegedly was last seen by her father ON the balcony, and was with her brother, according to Brad, not long before that.

Especially in light of the fact they claimed Breitag was sketchy long before that post. If they had even a wisp of suspicion, or maybe just in general, I'd think they'd have tested themselves whether she could have been pulled over to either neighbor's balcony, or climbed over the railing to one using this partition as support. I think they were desperate for answers and would have realized this feature. I also find it hard to believe if it was overlooked by them, it was then not mentioned by crew, the FBI, and other passengers who would have thought of it. Or it was, and now after the documentary becomes an issue?

As for the partition itself, I can't imagine this would be the case on every balcony; unless it was a safety escape route aft or forward if inner the hallway was impassable. Sounds like a security nightmare since some people sleep with their sliding door open for the breezes. It could've been a feature of connecting cabins, in which there's an inside door to connect the two if you're traveling together. Obviously you can lock it from both sides at any time and leave it locked if you're not traveling with your neighbor. But cabin 8564 isn't a connecting one, at least curretly. The ships are refurbed so maybe it was at one time. Either way, this strikes me as odd.

I can confirm that's Brad's posts he said he didn't know this information until a day or two ago.

 

[logic284]

I just woke up and sat up in bed with a theory. It’s totally a theory and macabre but I am just going to put it out there. I thought that the photos of 2005 of the person on the adult website was the one factor that made me think it was very possible she was alive. There is one photo they often show side by side where it seems like an almost perfect match but with some aging.

I also just couldn’t see how Yellow was involved. I thought he probably was dancing and flirting the same way Isaac or Gopher would flirt on the Love Boat, just enjoying some female attention, he’s a musician and therefore I assume he has good rhythm and good at dancing and I keep reading that Amy was so athletic so I assumed they were just enjoying dancing together. I could not reconcile how he has a family at the time in Grenada, the daughter says how his whole life when he is home is about music and they spend all this time together with him playing guitar in Grenada, How did he have time to work on the cruise ship, be with his family on his off time in Grenada while supposedly also participating in a trafficking ring where he is a handler for months and he is on some beach with Curaçao with Amy months later, how? But a witness saw them, right?

Ok so here is the awful theory:

1. The photos from, 2005 were created. Someone good with computers at the time superimposed Amy’s face on photos of another woman, maybe photos already on the web OR maybe even photos of a friend of the computer expert staged to fit with preexisting photos of Amy. The face is superimposed, changed a bit to reflect aging. Things are really close, not perfect so a tiny bit off in places but close enough that the family decides they have to keep searching,

2. I read here that The photos did not match similar photos on the adult website and I also read here that the two men connected with that website, Paul someone and Alexis Z someone from Canada were interviewed and expressed no idea how those photos were added to the website, Again, someone with a computer background could have deliberately added the photos to the website.Why? To keep the family hopeful and interested.

3. The main reasons people suspected that yellow was involved was the witnesses at 5:45am on the boat and then the witness from Canada who is a computer expert who claims to have seen Yellow and Amy on the beach on Curaçao.

4. The computer expert has become very close with the family, he is so good at computers HE was even able to identify IP address visits specifically from certain areas of Barbados on certain important dates. I know you can use a VPN and select a specific location if you wish (like if you wanted to appear like you were in Barbados to watch a Netflix show only available there). What if someone wanted to keep the family interested in searching so they used a VPN to hit the website and linger for 45 minutes at a time on certain specific dates, dates they knew were importantly because they were close to the family.

5. The Navy witness was a happy sort of accident. So it was on Curaçao, and the publicity and search makes Amy famous. A prostitute at the brothel decides it’s a good story to get $200 out of someone, She says “I’m Amy Bradley” to him to emphasize that she was “the” Amy Bradley. It always seemed odd to me. People also struggle to explain why she didn’t just leave with him when he said my boat is right here, you can leave with me and she chose not to. Because she wasn’t really Amy Bradley.

6. Maybe related- if you read back to the first 2 or 3 threads on here, the verified insider was insistent that they (meaning all of the people discussing the case on websleuths) could not discuss any theories that she fell off the boat, the threads could only discuss assumptions that she either made it off the boat or something happened to her on the boat. So all commentary is targeted toward examining and discussing theories that give the family hope and/ or keep them invested in searching for an answer. Maybe the verified insider was connect to the computer guy if the computer person (whomever that might be) had influence over the verified insider, or was the verified insider.

7. Why? My theory the family is paying this computer “friend” who is not actually a friend to continue to help search, this person is so “vested and close” to the family and devotes so much time maybe they are being compensated for their time, or the rewards or finally maybe the person is just a sociopath who enjoys having the power of stringing the family along and watching the public try to dissect this big puzzle they created, Maybe it is all 3. All of course just a theory I had from the dream I just had.

I would like to know if Yellow has an alibis for the time the witness insists they saw him, I would like to hear the other friend who was there and witnessed it as well and see what their recollection was, and a lie detector test wouldn’t hurt either, I would love to know if there is any possibility if Canadian witness has any connection to Canadian adult website owner OR if no connection was even needed and a computer expert could upload photos to the website from their own computer, And I would like to know if the family is paying any computer experts or witnesses for their help, of course it could just be the sociopath theory but I would theorize it’s all of the motives. And they needed to keep the family interested and hopeful and going to keep the money or ego boosts coming, Maybe photos appeared right when it seemed like the family had given up hope.

This is 100% just a theory I had waking up from a dream like a half hour ago. I think my brain was trying to reconcile things. So take it with a grain of salt, all theory and opinion, I hope I am wrong because how awful for the family to continue to be victimized. But I don’t think I am wrong,

 

[Danaya]

There's a context. She says "but... if you didn't have all of these sightings, would you be thinking something differently? Possibly". And then she mentions in other moments of the series that these sightings couldn't ever be verified.

Does she, or does she not, say that in her being, she doesn't believe that Amy committed suicide?

She absolutely said that at the time stamp I was kind enough to provide you with. <modsnip>

I could easily transcribe the entire scene. In no way does the "context" somehow erase her very clearly stated opinion.

ETA: For anyone interested—here is the time stamp that we're referring to. 22:43 Part Two

The female FBI agent considers the effects of eyewitness statements. However, she does say, she does not personally believe Amy took her own life.

I'm not arguing against the suicide theory, nor am I trying to push an agenda. It makes no difference to me if somebody agrees with what I think happened or not. In fact, I'm undecided. Never the less, we're all free to believe what we want.

 

[lebvidox]

Does she, or does she not, say that in her being, she doesn't believe that Amy committed suicide?

She absolutely said that at the time stamp I was kind enough to provide you with. You're grasping at straws here—it's OK to be wrong.

I could easily transcribe the entire scene. In no way does the "context" somehow erase her very clearly stated opinion.

ETA: For anyone interested—here is the time stamp that we're referring to. 22:43 Part Two

The female FBI agent considers the effects of the eyewitness statements. However, she very clearly states, that in her being, she does not believe that Amy took her own life.

<modsnip>I was just asking for clarification on something that I didn't remember. I pointed out to the quote I was referred to based on the context: "I do believe, in my being, that I don’t believe she committed suicide, but the door is still open in any of these possibilities, any of these scenarios. But if you didn’t have any to these sightings, would you think something different? Possibly"

Her belief was based on the potential sightings that opened new investigative windows. Without the sightings, the main avenues are 'she fell' or 'she jumped'. Plus, her personal belief can't drive an investigation.

 

[Serononin]

But why would three people lie? At least two of these testified before a grand jury.

They could easily have been telling what they fervently believed to be the truth, but been mistaken either about who they saw or the time they saw them (or both). There have been plenty of cases where people have confidently reported sightings of missing people that later turned out to have taken place after the person was already dead, or when they were confirmed to have been somewhere else. For example, one guy was so sure that he saw Sarah Sterns after she was murdered that he testified for the defense at her killer's trial

 

[amyynkaa]

Does anyone know where and when breakfast and snacks were being served? They might have been available early since the boat was planned to dock.

Rhapsody Of The Seas Dining | Royal Caribbean Incentives

With a wide selection of complimentary and specialty restaurants aboard Rhapsody of the Seas, there's a dining experience to suit every taste.

www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com

Room Service​

Whether you’re craving breakfast, lunch, dinner or an afternoon snack, get it delivered with Room Service, available 24/7.
nowadays you can literally get it delivered.. maybe she did not want to pay the fees

Windjammer is open for breakfast from 7 to 11 a.m.

Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas Dining: Restaurants & Food on Cruise Critic

Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas Dining: See what cruise experts had to say about Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas specialty restaurants and food on Cruise Critic.

www.cruisecritic.com

but as i said, this is how it works nowadays...

 

[Chypre]

Rhapsody Of The Seas Dining | Royal Caribbean Incentives

With a wide selection of complimentary and specialty restaurants aboard Rhapsody of the Seas, there's a dining experience to suit every taste.

www.royalcaribbeanincentives.com

Room Service​

Whether you’re craving breakfast, lunch, dinner or an afternoon snack, get it delivered with Room Service, available 24/7.
nowadays you can literally get it delivered.. maybe she did not want to pay the fees

Windjammer is open for breakfast from 7 to 11 a.m.

Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas Dining: Restaurants & Food on Cruise Critic

Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas Dining: See what cruise experts had to say about Royal Caribbean Rhapsody of the Seas specialty restaurants and food on Cruise Critic.

www.cruisecritic.com

but as i said, this is how it works nowadays...

Thanks!

 

[Mslove717]

My take on that was..IF Amy is still alive and has children from force, the mother is speaking to Amy, saying dont feel ashamed and think you can't contact us in fear we will reject your children. We will be accepting of our grandchildren. I believe she fears Amy would be afraid to reach out knowing how the children were conceived and the mom is reassuring her its ok.

Same. I cannot judge her mother; her baby has been missing for almost 30 years.

 

[Knitty]

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