Identified! VA - Annandale, WhtFem 245UFVA, ~60, 'NO CODE, DNR, No Penicillin', Dec'96

[rosesfromangels]

That cemetary meant something to her. I don't think it's random or she would have done infront of the police office, or medical examiners office or a pretty park etc

I don't know. Or maybe this was the ultimate in efficiency....chose to die at her disposal site. Dispose of quickly and neatly. Even paid for. That's the theme.

 

[astridxx]

I go back and forth on why she picked the cemetery. She was close enough to the front to for sure be found, but she most likely wasn't from around here -- maybe a recent transplant. I say that because I feel like someone would have come out by now... unless her family respected her wishes in wanting to remain a Jane Doe. IDK.

Anyway, none of my speculation helps. I'm afraid this one will remain unsolved. It's already been almost 20 years...

 

[ThePhantom]

That's an interesting thought. It ever occurred to me that her family might actually be aware of her actions and has chosen as a matter of privacy not to make a public statement. I think your idea that she might have been from another is also possible. Perhaps she came her with a significant other for a job, that person died or left, and she was then alone. Or -- who knows -- like some suicidal souls I have read about, she may have gotten on a bus from Lord knows where and arbitrarily picked that location. I read about one suicide ten years back in which the young man left his college, got on a bus that took him several hundred miles away, then walked across a bridge to a small island and jumped off of a tall crane. Took his parents years to find out what happened to him. On the other hand, doesn't it seem like most suicides occur in or near the home?

 

[carbuff]

There's a certain kind of suicide who does go far from home and goes to great lengths to hide their origins. There's a woman who died in a Seattle hospital. "Lyle Stevik." A woman who jumped off a bridge over the Mississippi who was identified a few months ago. A man who came all the way to Maine to hang himself from a tree in what seems to have been a random location.

It's like they want to become nobody.

 

[ThePhantom]

Was wondering if you had any thoughts about this lady in terms of -- do you think she lived close to her location of death or was she from elsewhere? I kind of feel she was a local from the DC Metro area -- and -- perhaps she felt she could comfortably fulfill her plan because she knew she would not be recognized. Oh, I sincerely hope that is not true.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I keep hovering on the fact that she signed herself "Jane Doe".
So for those of us on Websleuths, we know that to be a very, very common moniker.
However, doesn't the use of Jane Doe suggest someone who was in LE or the medical field? It's almost a technical term of identification...for the unidentified?

 

[STANDREID]

I just read the first and last pages of this thread and someone else has probably brought this up but 60 seems awfully young for a DNR. Secondly, she was wearing Size Large pants but Size 6 underpants which are also Size Small. Her height and weight would indicate that the Size Large were probably the proper size for her so why the undersize underwear? Maybe that's the only size she could find at the Salvation Army, I suppose, but I would think they couldn't have been very comfortable. A sad case indeed.

 

[Tssiemer]

TMI but I'm a 2x and wear XL underwear because... well I don't know. Always have. They hold me in more...? Does that make sense? Maybe she had recently gained weight?

 

[astridxx]

You know I never noticed the size difference... Weird..


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[Tssiemer]

You should try it.

 

[astridxx]

Nah, my behind is too big for anything but size l undergarments and size 12 pants :/


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[rosesfromangels]

You guys are cracking me up! She was probably much smaller at one time and in her heart is still a size 6. Reminds me of the fellow's who refuse to believe their waistline is no longer size 32 and wear their britches below their bellies.

 

[Tssiemer]

You guys are cracking me up! She was probably much smaller at one time and in her heart is still a size 6. Reminds me of the fellow's who refuse to believe their waistline is no longer size 32 and wear their britches below their bellies.

Exactly!

 

[carbuff]

I just read the first and last pages of this thread and someone else has probably brought this up but 60 seems awfully young for a DNR. Secondly, she was wearing Size Large pants but Size 6 underpants which are also Size Small. Her height and weight would indicate that the Size Large were probably the proper size for her so why the undersize underwear? Maybe that's the only size she could find at the Salvation Army, I suppose, but I would think they couldn't have been very comfortable. A sad case indeed.

She's not wearing Salvation Army clothes -- she's quite well dressed. Not expensive designer clothes, but the kind of things you'd buy at a better department store like Macy's or Nordstrom. They could have come from a consignment shop but she's also wearing a good watch and other jewelry of the sort a woman with an office job would wear.

I don't think the underwear size means much. The actual size of a pair of women's underwear can vary quite a lot depending on the maker, cut, and material. I'm quite a bit larger woman than she is but I only wear a 7.

 

[astridxx]

Ah yes now that I think of it I have some hanes or fruit of the loom that are size 6 or 7 but would translate to "large" in, say, Victoria's Secret.


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[Tssiemer]

My under wear don't have a number size...maybe a need some new underwear.

 

[astridxx]

She's not wearing Salvation Army clothes -- she's quite well dressed. Not expensive designer clothes, but the kind of things you'd buy at a better department store like Macy's or Nordstrom. They could have come from a consignment shop but she's also wearing a good watch and other jewelry of the sort a woman with an office job would wear.

I agree. Someone discovered the brand of clothes she was wearing were exclusive to Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's (can't remember which one). That's not to say she couldn't have bought them at a salvation army.... but this area of NOVA is quite affluent..

 

[dogperson]

I think alot of women wear a size or two smaller in underwear than in pants, I always have. I WISH my pant size really was as small as the underwear, haha! Plus the material of the underwear factors in, such as how much spandex is in them, because if they are stretchy you can wear a smaller size, plus they will hold your tummy in a bit too, and they show less of a panty line thru your clothes if they fit snug.

This lady seems young for a DNR, but my mom was only 67 when diagnosed with terminal bone cancer, and I have known younger people to have a DNR due to chronic painful illnesses, etc. I still wish an autopsy had been done so we would know if indeed she had a terminal illness and maybe we could have figured out something from there, for instance, if she had a certain type of illness which is only treated at certain hospitals in the country.

 

[STANDREID]

Of course the 60 age is just an estimate so maybe the DNR wasn't as unusual as it looks (or the bracelet could have been an affectation). These age estimates are sometimes way off. We had a case in this area where an unidentified decease female was found and authorities described her as being something like 25-35 years old. When she was identified, it was discovered that she was actually only 14.

 

[carbuff]

Also, she may have purchased the DNR just for this occasion.