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You see only the headline & 3 bullet points?
After clicking the DM link, I also the article w. 25+ additional ¶'s.
Or if you mean you'd like to see MORE about the ban of child-contact, from a different source, I agree.
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You see only the headline & 3 bullet points?
After clicking the DM link, I also the article w. 25+ additional ¶'s.
Or if you mean you'd like to see MORE about the ban of child-contact, from a different source, I agree.
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WAVY is the local NBC station
Mother of Newport News 1st grader who shot teacher sentenced; supervised visits until he’s 18
The mother of a kid who was 6 years old when he shot his teacher in Virginia was sentenced to serve two years in prison on Dec. 15 for felony child neglect.
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According to a social media post by 10 On Your Side’s Andy Fox, Taylor won’t be able to make contact with her child until he’s 18 years old; he is currently 7.
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Deja Taylor Will serve an extra two years after the 21 months she’s now serving for felony child neglect. She also can have no contact with her son until he is 18 he is now 7.
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Deja Taylor Will serve an extra two years after the 21 months she’s now serving for felony child neglect. She also can have no contact with her son until he is 18 he is now 7.
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live at 4.
Thanks @Simply Southern. WAVY is actually one of my local stations.
Some how I manage to miss both this
According to a social media post by 10 On Your Side’s Andy Fox, Taylor won’t be able to make contact with her child until he’s 18 years old; he is currently 7.
Lol. I better take a break.
Some how I manage to miss both this
- Cannot have contact with her now 7-year-old son until he's 18
According to a social media post by 10 On Your Side’s Andy Fox, Taylor won’t be able to make contact with her child until he’s 18 years old; he is currently 7.
Lol. I better take a break.
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I’m still wondering where you got those statistics including a school shooting on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, and what school it was. I haven’t found anything.
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I’m still wondering where you got those statistics including a school shooting on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, and what school it was. I haven’t found anything.
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My question....what happens with her substance abuse problem should she be incarcerated? Treatment continues in prison facilities. They have NA and AA groups there, as well as the ability to drug test. She may even have a psych visit schedule also. MOO
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BANNED from CONTACTING CHILD til 18 y/o
More from the good old DM, on today's sentencing of Deja Nicole Taylor to two further years in prison for felony child neglect after her son shot his first-grade teacher.
"The Virginian mother is also banned from contacting her child until he is 18."
"In a sentencing memo on the federal drug charge, prosecutors offered new details in the family's home life, including that the boy had twice stolen car keys from Taylor's purse, even crashing it on one occassion. In addition, Taylor apparently fired her gun about a month before the shooting at Richneck in an agurment over whether her son's father was cheating with another woman, according to text messages obtained by prosecutors."
Per nbc.com link, great-grandfather to the 6 y/o shooter, Calvin Taylor, wrote in a pre-sentence letter of support:
"Deja has shown resilience and the willpower to build a future for not only herself, but her son as well."
Respectfully disagreeing w you, Mr. Taylor. From what I've read, Deja has not been working for the future for her son, but jmo. I hope someone will.
TYVM @tlcyafor posting nbcnews link.
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Mom of boy, 6, who shot and injured his teacher sentenced to two years
The Virginian mother of a six-year-old boy who shot his teacher with her gun has been banned from contacting her child until he turns 18, a judge ruled on Friday.www.dailymail.co.uk
I did notice DT did NOT seem remorseful in her interview on TV she looked angry and defiant. Maybe two years in prison with intensive therapy might be the wake-up call.
i felt her child complained about the teacher and the mom may have remarked that the child took it as encouragement to hurt Abby.
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I must be mistaken. All I can find currently is the 6yo.@Simply Southern
I’m still wondering where you got those statistics including a school shooting on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, and what school it was. I haven’t found anything.
VA - Boy, 6, in custody after shooting teacher, Newport News, Jan 2023 *mom charged* #3
My question....what happens with her substance abuse problem should she be incarcerated? Treatment continues in prison facilities. They have NA and AA groups there, as well as the ability to drug test. She may even have a psych visit schedule also. MOO
Correction: NOT A TOTAL BAN
Well, seems earlier DM reporting may not have been accurate.
At least not if the local TV vid clip is accurate.
Per link, at 2:20-2:45, reporter says, while Taylor is IN PRISON ----
"there is still a protective order btwn her & her son, and she is still able to have supervised visits w her son, but she cannot have any criminal or offensive behavior in front of him and it is entirely up to the discretion of the child's guardian which is going to be Calvin Taylor who is Deja Taylor's grandfather."
(Pls excuse typos or abbrev's in my attempt at transcribing, above)
Watching this vid I have more confidence in its accuracy than the DM's earlier reporting.
Nevertheless I'm not putting my $$$ on any media version without seeing pdf/image of the actual, entire COURT ORDER.
@fred&edna Thanks for your link w local TV stn.
Well, seems earlier DM reporting may not have been accurate.
At least not if the local TV vid clip is accurate.
Per link, at 2:20-2:45, reporter says, while Taylor is IN PRISON ----
"there is still a protective order btwn her & her son, and she is still able to have supervised visits w her son, but she cannot have any criminal or offensive behavior in front of him and it is entirely up to the discretion of the child's guardian which is going to be Calvin Taylor who is Deja Taylor's grandfather."
(Pls excuse typos or abbrev's in my attempt at transcribing, above)
Watching this vid I have more confidence in its accuracy than the DM's earlier reporting.
Nevertheless I'm not putting my $$$ on any media version without seeing pdf/image of the actual, entire COURT ORDER.
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WAVY clarifies statement
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Editor’s Note: A previous version of this article reported that Deja Taylor could have no contact with her son until he was 18. It has now been updated to say that she cannot have unsupervised visitation with her son until he’s 18.
Mother of Newport News 1st grader who shot teacher sentenced; supervised visits until he’s 18
The mother of a kid who was 6 years old when he shot his teacher in Virginia was sentenced to serve two years in prison on Dec. 15 for felony child neglect.
www.wavy.com
@Simply SouthernWAVY clarifies statement
Editor’s Note: A previous version of this article reported that Deja Taylor could have no contact with her son until he was 18. It has now been updated to say that she cannot have unsupervised visitation with her son until he’s 18.Mother of Newport News 1st grader who shot teacher sentenced; supervised visits until he’s 18
The mother of a kid who was 6 years old when he shot his teacher in Virginia was sentenced to serve two years in prison on Dec. 15 for felony child neglect.
Thanks for update from local TV station, clarifying Ms Taylor is not totally banned from contacting son but is limited to supervised visits.Hmm, wondering how this will go.
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SMH. Poor kid doesn't stand a chance. She should have zero contact. The courts have learned nothing from the Powell boys case. MOO.@Simply Southern
Hmm, wondering how this will go.
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Great plan. Not. This kid is not going to be at the top of any list for adoption. When Great grandad goes, where is this child going to end up? Foster care? Probably juvenile hall or some sort of therapeutic mental health school. The only place for him when he ages out? Back with his mother.
I have seen it happen many times. No one else is going to want an 18 year old male, and most are not ready to take care of themselves. Unless he is in prison by then.
Too bad judges don't see the reality. Sure, she is a "bad mother". But, does that mean that "no contact" is a good plan? After all, we as a society have determined that prison is supposed to be an opportunity for rehabilitation and change, otherwise, why do we let people out?
So why not actively pursue some sort of structured rehabilitation plan for this family?
I have seen it happen many times. No one else is going to want an 18 year old male, and most are not ready to take care of themselves. Unless he is in prison by then.
Too bad judges don't see the reality. Sure, she is a "bad mother". But, does that mean that "no contact" is a good plan? After all, we as a society have determined that prison is supposed to be an opportunity for rehabilitation and change, otherwise, why do we let people out?
So why not actively pursue some sort of structured rehabilitation plan for this family?
Limited Contact “Stipulation”? By Negotiation or by Court Order?
“And her attorney, Ellenson, said he was aware of the stipulation that Taylor would not be able to have any unsupervised visits with her son until he was 18.” WAVY.com*
In law, a stipulation** is an agreement made by attorneys engaged on opposite sides (i.e., prosecutor & def’t/defense atty in criminal law procedure) relating to the case, not a condition imposed by a court order (Altho the term may be used more casually, this phrasing came from mouth of an atty speaking to media re a particular case, presumably not off the cuff).
So when attorney Ellenson said he was aware of “stipulation” about limited child contact, did he use the word in that sense--- as negotiated term btwn him & prosecutor?
If prosecutor & def. atty actually reached an “agreement” or stipulation of relevant points to submit to the judge as a proposal, seems the judge did not buy what they were trying to sell.
Well, I’d still like to see the court order itself.
BTW, prosecutors had recommended a 6 month sentence, but judge sentenced Taylor to 5 years behind bars w 3 yrs suspended, so in effect 2 years or four times longer than the state’s recommendation. Also from WAVY*
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* Mother of Newport News 1st grader who shot teacher sentenced; supervised visits until he’s 18 WAVY.com Dec. 15-16, 2023. Thanks again @Simply Southern
** Stipulation. A material article in an agreement in practice. An engagement or undertaking in writing, to do a certain act; as to try a cause at a certain time. 1 Burrill, Pr. 389. The name “stipulation” is familiarly given to any agreement made by the attorneys engaged on opposite sides of a cause, (especially if in writing.) regulating any matter incidental to the proceedings or trial, which falls within their jurisdiction. Such, for instance, are agreements to extend the time for pleading, to take depositions, to waive objections, to admit certain facts, to continue the cause.
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“And her attorney, Ellenson, said he was aware of the stipulation that Taylor would not be able to have any unsupervised visits with her son until he was 18.” WAVY.com*
In law, a stipulation** is an agreement made by attorneys engaged on opposite sides (i.e., prosecutor & def’t/defense atty in criminal law procedure) relating to the case, not a condition imposed by a court order (Altho the term may be used more casually, this phrasing came from mouth of an atty speaking to media re a particular case, presumably not off the cuff).
So when attorney Ellenson said he was aware of “stipulation” about limited child contact, did he use the word in that sense--- as negotiated term btwn him & prosecutor?
If prosecutor & def. atty actually reached an “agreement” or stipulation of relevant points to submit to the judge as a proposal, seems the judge did not buy what they were trying to sell.
Well, I’d still like to see the court order itself.
BTW, prosecutors had recommended a 6 month sentence, but judge sentenced Taylor to 5 years behind bars w 3 yrs suspended, so in effect 2 years or four times longer than the state’s recommendation. Also from WAVY*
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* Mother of Newport News 1st grader who shot teacher sentenced; supervised visits until he’s 18 WAVY.com Dec. 15-16, 2023. Thanks again @Simply Southern
** Stipulation. A material article in an agreement in practice. An engagement or undertaking in writing, to do a certain act; as to try a cause at a certain time. 1 Burrill, Pr. 389. The name “stipulation” is familiarly given to any agreement made by the attorneys engaged on opposite sides of a cause, (especially if in writing.) regulating any matter incidental to the proceedings or trial, which falls within their jurisdiction. Such, for instance, are agreements to extend the time for pleading, to take depositions, to waive objections, to admit certain facts, to continue the cause.
STIPULATION Definition & Meaning - Black's Law Dictionary
Find the legal definition of STIPULATION from Black's Law Dictionary, 2nd Edition. A material article in an agreement in practice. An engagement or undertaking in writing, to do a certain act; as to try a cause at a certain time. 1...
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I have to wonder how much the school administrators knew about the boy’s home life. Did they know he had stolen his mother’s car keys twice and crashed her car? That the mother had shot at his father? Why was the school so protective of this mother?
Even if they knew none of the above, he was in that school, choking teachers and constantly acting out, without repercussions. Why was nothing done?
If they knew any of that, they were completely negligent in not reporting his mother to protective services way before he shot Ms. Zwerner. All IMO.
Even if they knew none of the above, he was in that school, choking teachers and constantly acting out, without repercussions. Why was nothing done?
If they knew any of that, they were completely negligent in not reporting his mother to protective services way before he shot Ms. Zwerner. All IMO.
MOO. I would think the two instances with the child and the car, in which LE was involved, would have merited a referral to child protective services by LE. But maybe not?
Would we even know if the child was in the CPS system? Isn’t that confidential information? Is it possible that CPS has been involved for some time? If so, perhaps they did not deem the situation actionable. Or maybe his case wasn’t getting the attention it needed. CPS (and equivalent agencies nationwide) is an extremely overburdened agency. MOO.
Would we even know if the child was in the CPS system? Isn’t that confidential information? Is it possible that CPS has been involved for some time? If so, perhaps they did not deem the situation actionable. Or maybe his case wasn’t getting the attention it needed. CPS (and equivalent agencies nationwide) is an extremely overburdened agency. MOO.
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A new article from the Washington Post with additional disturbing details— the principal and vice principal locked themselves in their offices initially. Office staff kept banging on their doors and eventually they came out and helped give aid to Ms. Zwerner— her lips and nail beds were blue by that point. More below (sadly it does have a paywall)
“In recent days, with the first anniversary of the shooting approaching, a group of parents, a former school employee and the grandmother who was on the scene told their stories publicly for the first time. They described the race to save Zwerner, the chaotic aftermath of the shooting and its lingering effects on the young students who witnessed it. Seven families filed lawsuits Thursday accusing school administrators of negligence and raising fresh questions about how they handled the incident.”
“She said Richneck Principal Briana Foster Newton and Assistant Principal Ebony Parker locked themselves in their offices with some children and staffers shortly after word arrived about the shooting. Sample-Rusk said she, Olavarria, another staffer and a young child remained in the main office.
The child was hysterical, Sample-Rusk recalled, so she banged on the principal’s door to try to get the boy inside — but she got no response. Sample-Rusk said she sent the boy to find a hiding place, and he crouched behind a copier.”
“After Zwerner arrived in the office and collapsed, Sample-Rusk said, she banged on the principal’s door again. This time, she said, Newton peeked out, then shut and relocked the door. Newton’s attorney did not respond to requests for comment on this account. Sample-Rusk is among those who have sued the school district and Richneck administrators.”
“In recent days, with the first anniversary of the shooting approaching, a group of parents, a former school employee and the grandmother who was on the scene told their stories publicly for the first time. They described the race to save Zwerner, the chaotic aftermath of the shooting and its lingering effects on the young students who witnessed it. Seven families filed lawsuits Thursday accusing school administrators of negligence and raising fresh questions about how they handled the incident.”
“She said Richneck Principal Briana Foster Newton and Assistant Principal Ebony Parker locked themselves in their offices with some children and staffers shortly after word arrived about the shooting. Sample-Rusk said she, Olavarria, another staffer and a young child remained in the main office.
The child was hysterical, Sample-Rusk recalled, so she banged on the principal’s door to try to get the boy inside — but she got no response. Sample-Rusk said she sent the boy to find a hiding place, and he crouched behind a copier.”
“After Zwerner arrived in the office and collapsed, Sample-Rusk said, she banged on the principal’s door again. This time, she said, Newton peeked out, then shut and relocked the door. Newton’s attorney did not respond to requests for comment on this account. Sample-Rusk is among those who have sued the school district and Richneck administrators.”
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