VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #2

[dangrsmind]

Did you catch up on the weapon gxm?
The way I see it is anything with a bad or unique smell carries for long distances especially death. Even if he did take his clothes off while killing them then washed up and put them back on if the clothes were still in the house they would smell like death. Just like I'm sure you guys have known people who had cats or dogs and obviously the owner didn't clean their urine or feces very well and well they smelled like feces.
I also agree on the caylee thing, that trunk still smells like death from what I've read.
Edited to say that I think Sam had the same clothes on the whole time for the concert on out too, unless he did in fact take them off before the murders and put them back on after the fact.
I mean I can't say for a fact that what he did, like I said earlier maybe he washed them and got all the visible blood off of them but because the smell was so bad in there it resaturated his clothes.
I've also been thinking he probably premeditated the murders at least from the concert until that day, so it gave him time to think about exactly how he wanted to do it. One more thing I wanna bring up is if Sam went ahead and left right after the murder of the girls and mother than he could have made it all the way back to CA before anyone would have known, so why did he wait for the father?

What?

Isn't it perfectly normal for criminals to lurk at the scene waiting to get caught after committing a violent murder? Or to call the police to the scene while they wait around with the dead bodies? Hmm. Live and learn I guess.

 

[dangrsmind]

IIRC, witnesses state that Sam said he hadn't slept in days. It's very likely he was suffering from sleep deprivation at this point and was behaving even more idiotically erratically than normal.

That was something he reportedly said to the cab driver. Only Sam knows whether he slept or not.

Also not sleeping for days => meth.

 

[Heroine]

Indeed. Amazing observation.

Yeah but I thought I remember reading somewhere that the wrecker guy told the cop before they knew he killed anyone on the day he towed the car after he gave him a ticket for no license he should also get him to bath or something to that effect. Let me see if I can find it again.
If that isn't the case then I do believe it could be just the fact of knowing what he did that psychologically made them think they smelled death.
Also I think the people at the huddle house also say they commented to each other about how he stunk, before they knew.
ahhh must go ALL the way back to the beginning now to see if i'm right...haha

 

[Heroine]

What?

Isn't it perfectly normal for criminals to lurk at the scene waiting to get caught after committing a violent murder? Or to call the police to the scene while they wait around with the dead bodies? Hmm. Live and learn I guess.

Actually i wouldn't say normal but I've heard of psychos doing so.

 

[Heroine]

That was something he reportedly said to the cab driver. Only Sam knows whether he slept or not.

Also not sleeping for days => meth.

it could also = insane, being afraid someone would come and find him there, too busy thinking about what he did, making sure he was always on the look out so he didn't get caught. At that point there could have been a lot of reasons he didn't sleep.

 

[Heroine]

http://m.timesdispatch.com/richmond...id=diRa3dXC&detailindex=1&pn=0&ps=5&full=true

Tow-truck driver Elton Napier moved the car and gave McCroskey a ride to a nearby Sheetz convenience store. He noticed that McCroskey smelled like a dead animal and said it made him sick even with the windows down in the wrecker.

"I told one of the deputies, 'You ought to take him down and give him a bath,'" Napier recalled.

 

[claudicici]

...i could imagine that he never changed at all..we see him wearing the same clothes all the time,his sister is saying he would not shower for months .....that paired with having commited murder and staying around the bodies for days,I'm sure he reeked....I just don't understand why the police officer that first came to the house diud not seem to notice anything out of the ordinary....

 

[tapu]

Yes the smell of death can transfer to clothes. But hey I may have just imagined that back when I was dumping a sack of dead rats in a dumpster full of dead sheep, rabbits, monkeys and other unidentifiable beasts. Yup. Must be my imagination.

Are you 12? {personal attack}

That possibility aside, after you rode the bus home from the dead rats, had lunch at McDonald's, and then wandered out somewhere else for the evening, did people who came in contact with you say, "Whoa, P.U., dude! You smell like nothing I have ever smelled before! Officer, come and hose this dude down!"

If so, then you could be right.

 

[gxm]

My point was that it's the tow truck driver who, as best we know, first comments about how terrible Sam smelled. The cops, who would probably have more experience with the death smell, did not at that point make the connection. The first that I know of LE recognizing the smell of death is when they revisited the house after Sam had left. I just find it very odd that several civilians have commented about the odor emanating from Sam but not the cops.

 

[gxm]

Yes the smell of death can transfer to clothes. But hey I may have just imagined that back when I was dumping a sack of dead rats in a dumpster full of dead sheep, rabbits, monkeys and other unidentifiable beasts. Yup. Must be my imagination.

In the very little bit of research via google that I did, it is mentioned that some people are more sensitive to the smell than others. And, as in your case, I read of nurses who would still smell the odor even after they got home. One nurse suggested keeping one's work clothes in a separate laundry basket so as not to contaminate the other clothes with the smell. Clearly, it's an issue for people who work in a environment where they come in contact with the odor.

 

[gxm]

That was something he reportedly said to the cab driver. Only Sam knows whether he slept or not.

Also not sleeping for days => meth.

Or a lot of coffee. Or a really bad case of nerves, guilt, remorse, or fear. Any number of things, or a combination of things, could have kept Sam up for days. We just have no idea at this point because the case facts are not being shared with the public.

 

[tapu]

The cops who came in contact with sam were presumably out in the open air. The tow truck driver was in a closed cab; the restaurant employees at least indoors. That may account for varied detection of the smell.


Hmm, on edit: when the tow truck driver encountered another LEO, Sam got out of the truck and smoked a cigarette. Did he want to keep his distance so the cop wouldn't smell him?

 

[dangrsmind]

Are you 12? {personal attack}

That possibility aside, after you rode the bus home from the dead rats, had lunch at McDonald's, and then wandered out somewhere else for the evening, did people who came in contact with you say, "Whoa, P.U., dude! You smell like nothing I have ever smelled before! Officer, come and hose this dude down!"

If so, then you could be right.

I won't be responding to any personal attacks. Thanks a lot.

 

[tapu]

I won't be responding to any personal attacks. Thanks a lot.

Um, whoops. You realize that that was just a joke personal attack, right? I don't really think you're twelve, or even that you sound it. I should probably have used a smilie or something--I thought the "personal attack" label would serve that purpose.

--tapu

 

[dangrsmind]

In the very little bit of research via google that I did, it is mentioned that some people are more sensitive to the smell than others. And, as in your case, I read of nurses who would still smell the odor even after they got home. One nurse suggested keeping one's work clothes in a separate laundry basket so as not to contaminate the other clothes with the smell. Clearly, it's an issue for people who work in a environment where they come in contact with the odor.

Yup. This is why I commented on it originally. Just entering the Dead Animal Room was a very memorable experience and it was the main reason I quit that job.

But hey why listen to anything this dangrsmind character says. He's clearly full of ****. What is he 12?

 

[dangrsmind]

Um, whoops. You realize that that was just a joke personal attack, right? I don't really think you're twelve, or even that you sound it. I should probably have used a smilie or something--I thought the "personal attack" label would serve that purpose.

--tapu

Not funny.

 

[gxm]

The cops who came in contact with sam were presumably out in the open air. The tow truck driver was in a closed cab; the restaurant employees at least indoors. That may account for varied detection of the smell.


Hmm, on edit: when the tow truck driver encountered another LEO, Sam got out of the truck and smoked a cigarette. Did he want to keep his distance so the cop wouldn't smell him?

Good points.

 

[dangrsmind]

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/FARM27_20090926-221606/295789/

Yep, he tried to re-book his flight but he had only $50 and it was about $150. And one of the drivers he rode with did describe his smell as a dead animal, you know, just to keep you honest here.

Listen to the interview with the cab driver that drove him the airport. He stopped at an ATM and got over $100 out. So this version makes no sense unless someone deposited additional funds into the account in the intervening period.

Who would do that?

 

[dangrsmind]

Good points.

Not really. Smoking won't cover the odor IME.

Also, there are no reports of him smoking during the other encounters with LE and yet the stench wasn't reported either. Possible that they just didn't notice, but I don't know how to explain that. Death has a very strong and memorable odor.

 

[tapu]

Not funny.

I'm sorry, man. I apologize for hurting your feelings. I'll say again that I don't really think you seem 12, and I won't say anything like that again.