VA - Grateful Dead Fan - Unidentified male, 26 June 1995 - #2

[dotr]

Maybe English is not his family's first language, or possibly they do not even speak English at all ?

 

[rainwater]

I am not completely convinced that Grateful Doe (Jason) was American. Over 200 young American men have been ruled out-that ruleout list does not include the automatic ruleouts by computer. As DrMike posted a couple of months ago various reasons Jason has not been identified: either Jason was never reported missing; he was reported missing but has no DNA in the system for whatever reason; he was a foster child/orphan; he was not American; for whatever reason his family does not wish to come forward to claim him; Jason's family may not be connected to the Internet; if they are looking for him, the facial reconstructions are so far off from what he actually looked like.
The medical examiner does not believe that Jason was Amish or that he was from Virginia, as previous posts have mentioned. One of the keys to solving this is to get Jason's info out to as many people as possible, not just Grateful Dead fans or music fans.

 

[Roselvr]

My absolute fear is that this kid came from a place where no one wanted him. Still, I would love to give him a name.

I think his people miss him; I also think they tried filing a report but LE wouldn't take it. I feel that he will be identified in the next year due to the GD FB page; FB concert event as well as pages like Still Seek Answers & mine FB page
Never Forget Me

Yes that is what I meant. But they did not have DNA from Walden's family until she was suggested as a potential match.

I'm on the cell so can't reread the article. I was not active in either of their UP pages so do not know how long Margo's DNA has been in NamUs before I saw it in February when it was already complete. I'll have to ask the member that submitted them

 

[masootz]

I am not completely convinced that Grateful Doe (Jason) was American. Over 200 young American men have been ruled out-that ruleout list does not include the automatic ruleouts by computer. As DrMike posted a couple of months ago various reasons Jason has not been identified: either Jason was never reported missing; he was reported missing but has no DNA in the system for whatever reason; he was a foster child/orphan; he was not American; for whatever reason his family does not wish to come forward to claim him; Jason's family may not be connected to the Internet; if they are looking for him, the facial reconstructions are so far off from what he actually looked like.
The medical examiner does not believe that Jason was Amish or that he was from Virginia, as previous posts have mentioned. One of the keys to solving this is to get Jason's info out to as many people as possible, not just Grateful Dead fans or music fans.

to throw my 2 cents in the mix - i believe there is a chance that he may be one of the people already ruled out, but ruled out for some mistaken reason.

 

[Roselvr]

to throw my 2 cents in the mix - i believe there is a chance that he may be one of the people already ruled out, but ruled out for some mistaken reason.

If already ruled out; my guess would be wrong finger prints.
There is a reason why names were taken off the list

 

[LucyOso]

He's been brought up a few times; see my post here
He was also submitted by Grateful Doe FB page; it says submitted 2013. The owner of the page has been really busy; has not had time to run the page. I assume they submit direct to the medical examiner. I suggest someone submitting to both GD's case worker at NamUs as well as Alan's contact.

He was mentioned a few times. I recall he was submitted as well!

 

[LucyOso]

My absolute fear is that this kid came from a place where no one wanted him. Still, I would love to give him a name.

I think that is highly possible. Another issue with many of our UID's from the past is the aging population of relatives who might not know how to use the internet or made an attempt many years ago. When the web first started many, many people started posting on forum like sites seeking missing relatives. You can still find some up today. About a year ago (or two), I found a case that seemed like a match for another UID, but because she was not reported missing or in the media, I could not doing anything. The email contacts were long defunct. To solve many of those we might have to delve into the 1990's forums. But, then again many sites like geocities, angel fire, alta vista, etc are gone...

 

[dotr]

Wonder what happens in cases where the missing person was adopted and DNA cannot be compared to the parents?

 

[masootz]

Wonder what happens in cases where the missing person was adopted and DNA cannot be compared to the parents?

really good point. i'll add that someone who was in the foster care system might have similar issues.

 

[LucyOso]

Wonder what happens in cases where the missing person was adopted and DNA cannot be compared to the parents?

That is a tough one. And with foster kids. The hope is some relative at some point with realize they haven't sent heir cousin, sibling, etc in many years and initiate a search...

 

[Roselvr]

Wonder what happens in cases where the missing person was adopted and DNA cannot be compared to the parents?

Depends. Look at Aundria "Alexis" Bowman missing since age 14 3/11/89 from her adoptive parents home. The detective called the state she was adopted from; they sent a letter to her biomom Cathy. See my sig; the condensed version is in the doc called Every mothers worst nightmare!

Find Aundria M Bowman - Every Mother's Worst Nightmare! How I found out my daughter Aundria "Alexis" Bowman was missing

Carl also posted it in Aundria's WS post #65

 

[PamA]

I've been following this for a few years and have researched both sides of Eric Hager's family. I found that his step dad passed a while back. I know this is probably a stretch, but. Eric's step dad David "Buster"Griffith bares a striking resemblance to Jason. Eric's family seems very reluctant to discuss their knowledge of the case. I always assumed it was a matter of being hounded for years. But could it be something more sinister, like Jason was a step brother that caused the family problems so they refused to claim him? I added a side by side photo of Jason and Eric's step dad by attachment but not sure if it worked

 

[dotr]

I've been following this for a few years and have researched both sides of Eric Hager's family. I found that his step dad passed a while back. I know this is probably a stretch, but. Eric's step dad David "Buster"Griffith bares a striking resemblance to Jason. Eric's family seems very reluctant to discuss their knowledge of the case. I always assumed it was a matter of being hounded for years. But could it be something more sinister, like Jason was a step brother that caused the family problems so they refused to claim him? I added a side by side photo of Jason and Eric's step dad by attachment but not sure if it worked

Wow, very impressive!
Welcome to Ws PamA!

 

[Mels3kidz]

I remember way back in one of the first threads the wad a link to an article in which either the detective or ME was quoted as saying that they are sure that, based on some unreleased info and questions that were asked by someone who called them, that Jason's family had contacted them. Im off to look for that link.

Mel

Mel

 

[masootz]

I remember way back in one of the first threads the wad a link to an article in which either the detective or ME was quoted as saying that they are sure that, based on some unreleased info and questions that were asked by someone who called them, that Jason's family had contacted them. Im off to look for that link.

Mel

Mel

the drdmike thread where he recently spoke with the person in charge of the case indicates that rumor is unsubstantiated.

his post is here

 

[DrDMike]

the drdmike thread where he recently spoke with the person in charge of the case indicates that rumor is unsubstantiated.

his post is here

That is correct. They were never contacted by anyone claiming to be his family. Also, I HIGHLY doubt Jason was some secret child from the Hager family. With all the local attention drawn to the case at the time, someone would have spilled the beans.

 

[PamA]

[/QUOTE]Mike;10906729]That is correct. They were never contacted by anyone claiming to be his family. Also, I HIGHLY doubt Jason was some secret child from the Hager family. With all the local attention drawn to the case at the time, someone would have spilled the beans.[/QUOTE]
Ok...maybe not the Hager family, but what about the Griffith family? Could David have had a son from a previous relationship? Maybe that would explain why Eric felt it was ok to take Jason to his father, Michael Hager's house in Gloucester County, Va. Three hours by car from RFK Stadium, and quite a distance from interstate 95 where he most likely picked Jason up. The accident occurred .3 miles from the interstate, where Eric could have been headed to continue his journey to his mom's house in Inman, SC. Where she lived with David Griffith.

 

[SideKick]

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/UTAHmissingpersons.html
Jack Jason Simmons missing since April 14, 94. Six feet tall, scar on right arm. Long red hair.
Please scroll down on page. Has he been submitted?

 

[DrDMike]

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/UTAHmissingpersons.html
Jack Jason Simmons missing since April 14, 94. Six feet tall, scar on right arm. Long red hair.
Please scroll down on page. Has he been submitted?

I can assure you that Grateful Doe is NOT Jack Jason Simmons. He had be suggested many, many times before and was ruled out. Furthermore, JJS has prints in the system and they did not match with GD's prints.

 

[DrDMike]

Mike;10906729]That is correct. They were never contacted by anyone claiming to be his family. Also, I HIGHLY doubt Jason was some secret child from the Hager family. With all the local attention drawn to the case at the time, someone would have spilled the beans.[/QUOTE]
Ok...maybe not the Hager family, but what about the Griffith family? Could David have had a son from a previous relationship? Maybe that would explain why Eric felt it was ok to take Jason to his father, Michael Hager's house in Gloucester County, Va. Three hours by car from RFK Stadium, and quite a distance from interstate 95 where he most likely picked Jason up. The accident occurred .3 miles from the interstate, where Eric could have been headed to continue his journey to his mom's house in Inman, SC. Where she lived with David Griffith.[/QUOTE]

There was no indication suggesting that either Eric or Grateful Doe knew each other. Also, investigators do not have any evidence that Hager brought GD to his father's house. That is another rumor. They believe that GD was picked up after Hager went to his father's house.


In a July 1996 article in The Free Lance-Star, a Virginia newspaper, a neighbor of Hager's father had reported seeing a young man with Hager when he stopped at his father's house. Jones said the report is incorrect.

"When he stopped at his father's house, he was alone," Jones said. "The theory is that the passenger was a hitchhiker [Hager] likely picked up between Gloucester and Emporia."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/grateful-doe_n_5208512.html