VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[snarkymalarkey]

I agree that it was likely to have been a crime of opportunity rather than premeditated. I would guess he didn't have any very specific plan in mind when he first spotted her. Maybe he hits on all the girls who are in her situation but doesn't get lucky very often, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I would bet he was actually surprised when he got her in his car.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/12/vanishing-blonde-201012 <-- This is an interesting story that involves a crime of opportunity, that led to a perpetrator who was responsible for multiple assaults over a long period of time.
It's a long read,but its well worth it. I can't help but wonder if this is a similar circumstance.

 

[momrids6]

sorry- forgot the link: but it is from MSM:
http://www.blueridgelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Liberty-1.jpg

Look at the color of the car

 

[otto]

she had roommates I heard - they had separate bedrooms. still seems like a long time to not notice. I had roommates for years and years and we always knew the general whereabouts of each other, esp the girls.

The same thing happened with Morgan Harrington. It seems like university students, even though they are sharing living quarters, don't raise the alarm as fast as a parent would raise the alarm. They do not follow the "buddy" system, even after the disappearance of Morgan. It's probably a university culture of dog eat dog mentality (eg: thank goodness my smarter roommate is out getting psiss-ed for two days) and it takes a couple of days for humanity to kick in and notice that it's been too long.

 

[Jmm124567]

Maybe the friends she was hanging out with ran out of whatever drug they were partying with and someone had a hookup in the mall area and told her about it. She was going to meet him and he was suppose to be at a certain spot. He wasn't there so she walked around looking for a person that fit he description they gave her. Maybe the dread guy was the drug hookup through the girls who highfived him and to let him know the girl that was sent was there and was cool to sell to.

When he approached her, he let her know he had what she needed but they needed to go to his place. They got beers took the car to his place to get the stuff. She thought he was fine because someone from the party sent her there so she went.

She was walking around looking for something that's for sure. She didn't leave the party to go home because she lived right around the block so she would have made it home. She I think walked up and down Preston Ave. where McGrady's and the Shell gas station are at because the surveillance video at McGrady's shows her walking down Preston Ave. I think West she then walks around the patio at McGrady's then goes back down Preston ave. the opposite direction going East and then you see her on the Shell surveillance video running.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Is there a link to an article? I'd like to read it. Thanks.

 

[Inthedetails]

The team approach isn't working for me because would you pick Dreads to be the guy to get the girl? I know he DID get the girl in this case, but we all find that strange. You'd think you'd have a female or a guy who made a women/girl feel flattered and comfortable as the pick-up guy. And how would the team know that a drunk young woman would appear at the mall alone? That just seems too random to be successful for the team.

I think either:

1. BG worked alone and this was a crime of opportunity
or
2. BG dropped off Hannah near the next party/her apartment and the crime was committed by someone else.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

Is there a link to an article? I'd like to read it. Thanks.

There's a whole forum on here, "Alexis Murphy" or "randy Allen Taylor"

 

[RSC]

I would find it crazy if TWO people were caught on surveillance clearly following HG, both have admitted to it after the fact, yet neither were involved.

it's very possible she left dreadlocks after getting alcohol from him or getting a ride and then was assaulted in the area. there was a rash of assaults that weekend in that area.

otherwise the idea of a team is possible, but too convenient that the whole process was caught on tape. I think more likely people are seeing connections between known players where there are none. but, there could be. there are a lot of missing people in the area. maybe the cops just got lucky and their whole scheme was caught on tape this time.

 

[Lava]

The team approach isn't working for me because would you pick Dreads to be the guy to get the girl? I know he DID get the girl in this case, but we all find that strange. You'd think you'd have a female or a guy who made a women/girl feel flattered and comfortable as the pick-up guy. And how would the team know that a drunk young woman would appear at the mall alone? That just seems too random to be successful for the team.

I think either:

1. BG worked alone and this was a crime of opportunity
or
2. BG dropped off Hannah near the next party/her apartment and the crime was committed by someone else.

I'm confused about what makes Dreads Guy so odd for some people, outside of the fact that we know she disappeared after. If I saw the two of them together I'd think nothing of it.

 

[Claudette]

she had roommates I heard - they had separate bedrooms. still seems like a long time to not notice. I had roommates for years and years and we always knew the general whereabouts of each other, esp the girls.

Same here. There was one time a friend had my roommate check on me one morning because I had so much to drink the night before.

 

[otto]

In trying to reason it out, I came up with three possibilities:

1. He is that stupid.
2. His intent was comparatively benign (sex, etc.)
3. He was the middle man for the real predator and figured he wouldn't get busted because he wouldn't be the actual responsible party.

I'm a fan of Occam's Razor (1 or 2), but the third possibility keeps bugging me. Please God, light the way home for Hannah.

I think that "snag" a girl is still possible in the midst of numerous cameras. The point is that when he was on camera, he wasn't doing anything wrong, and apparently they seemed to be "together". That's a pretty good alibi. If he's been doing this for a long time, and gotten away with it, "snagging" a girl in front of cameras and turning it into an alibi may be a better thrill.

Was the other girl in the footage connected in any way, with the 32 year-old heavy man?
If so, she must be hiding.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't think a trafficking ring would target a young white woman who is a student at the prestigious, local university. Unless they are really dumb, they would have to know that her disappearance would get a huge response. Would they really risk their operation being busted by kidnapping Hannah?

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm confused about what makes Dreads Guy so odd for some people, outside of the fact that we know she disappeared after. If I saw the two of them together I'd think nothing of it.

When they walk together, they do seem comfortable, but that could be a manipulative, outgoing older guy taking advantage of a young drunk woman. The mismatch to me is that she looks like a bright-eyed young 18 year old athletic student. I don't see her as someone who would go for the older guy without a job who hangs out at the mall.

Yet, I admit, it seemed from the start to me that they knew each other and that she was there to see him.

In other words, I don't know!!

 

[otto]

I'm confused about what makes Dreads Guy so odd for some people, outside of the fact that we know she disappeared after. If I saw the two of them together I'd think nothing of it.

I think it's odd that a fit, healthy, tall, beautiful, intelligent, drunk 18 year-old student would suddenly decide to accompany a 32 year-old, by all accounts unemployed, 270 pound, 6'2" black man when she's lost. If I saw the two of them together, I would wonder what she was doing with someone like that.

 

[Lovepink]

I don't think a trafficking ring would target a young white woman who is a student at the prestigious, local university. Unless they are really dumb, they would have to know that her disappearance would get a huge response. Would they really risk their operation being busted by kidnapping Hannah?

I agree. While she would bring in a high price, I think that the risk wouldn't be worth it to them.

 

[HFfan1]

I don't think a trafficking ring would target a young white woman who is a student at the prestigious, local university. Unless they are really dumb, they would have to know that her disappearance would get a huge response. Would they really risk their operation being busted by kidnapping Hannah?

I wouldn't assume that. I live near a town where trafficking is a huge problem and they target basically any young girl they can get alone. These days they bait them online often. Doesn't matter if they are well known to the community or not. Then they bring them to a slum motel in a bad area, wait for whoever to come get them, and they're gone.... We know this because they actually were able to track one of the girls down in a motel. Awful stuff.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

I'm confused about what makes Dreads Guy so odd for some people, outside of the fact that we know she disappeared after. If I saw the two of them together I'd think nothing of it.

Sorry, but an 18 year old white sorority looking girl with a 30 year old, beer bellied, dreadlocked black man may strike me as odd should I see them together at 1AM. Even more odd if I sensed she may be in some "distress" as the witness described. If I saw them together in Atlantic City, I would assume something different and move on. Not in a college town though.


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[tarheelslim]

Clearly some will disagree on this, but I just do not think it is realistic to assume this guy knows where cameras are and aren't.

I think the best assumption is that most people who frequent the mall (and its bars) are seeing where the cameras are for the first time now from the news footage.

 

[Saccas85]

I might have a name on POI. Doing some sleuthing of my own, but can't seem to find anymore info on him than through spokeo. Anyone else have any luck?

 

[razzledazzle]

The team approach isn't working for me because would you pick Dreads to be the guy to get the girl? I know he DID get the girl in this case, but we all find that strange. You'd think you'd have a female or a guy who made a women/girl feel flattered and comfortable as the pick-up guy. And how would the team know that a drunk young woman would appear at the mall alone? That just seems too random to be successful for the team.

I think either:

1. BG worked alone and this was a crime of opportunity
or
2. BG dropped off Hannah near the next party/her apartment and the crime was committed by someone else.

Well I think POI is a sexual predator or possibly a member of a trafficking ring and God willing, Chief is gonna find out he truth.