VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[cluciano63]

They are college kids and it's a weekend and they have been up partying all night. It's possible they didn't even wake up or come out of their rooms until 1 in the afternoon. Noticed Hannah wasn't home a short time later then started checking with other friends as to her whereabouts. She was reported missing around 4:30pm that day.

I think it was Sunday, not Saturday, when she was reported missing, am I wrong? From Friday night?

 

[otto]

I might have a name on POI. Doing some sleuthing of my own, but can't seem to find anymore info on him than through spokeo. Anyone else have any luck?

Any idea what the previous criminal record is for? Did that criminal record require a DNA contribution?

 

[Lovepink]

I googled and just saw that! I wonder why I never knew he was caught!

But your point does still stand because rape has always been a big problem there. I was a part of groups on campus to help raise awareness, etc., and it was a big problem. I guess that's the case for most college campuses? I don't know if it's worse at some, but I do know that the city was never really safe and had various crime waves. The corner wasn't that safe either at night because people were drunk and vulnerable, but people still go there obviously because it's so close to grounds and a lot of bars/restaurants. And a lot of students live there. I felt safer on grounds than at the corner at night because of all the lighting, tons of police call boxes, lots of people around, etc. But maybe it was a false sense of comfort because the assaults and robberies we were told about usually happened off grounds.

 

[absentia]

Lots of questions about why she would have went along with Dreadlocks. I believe she was out of her mind whacked out on something. What that was? Who knows, but it took away inhibitions, left her somewhat disassociated, and gave her an energy boost. GHB comes to mind.


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of course. Ecstasy would make you energized and unable to stay at home alone (the hour after she left the party), also makes you love/trust/feel at one with everyone and very thirsty. Motivates you to find the party and people you can be with. You can also overdose easily or end up with heart problems and dehydration. X would make you run/walk fast and if she wasn't careful with hydration or if she took too much she could have had a seizure or heart stopped.

 

[Skigirl]

They are college kids and it's a weekend and they have been up partying all night. It's possible they didn't even wake up or come out of their rooms until 1 in the afternoon. Noticed Hannah wasn't home a short time later then started checking with other friends as to her whereabouts. She was reported missing around 4:30pm that day.

I feel like I'm starting every sentence with something along the lines of, "back in my day..." but... when I was in college, I lived in an off-campus apartment. My roommate and I each had separate bedrooms. We both had boyfriends. Both of us spent every night at our respective boyfriends' places and it was a happy surprise when we ran into each other at the apartment. We had to actually make coffee dates to see each other. I could have otherwise gone days -- days! -- without seeing her. Same with all the rest of my friends. I would have seen at least one or two of them every day, but there was no single friend I saw every single day. So, it would have taken a week to raise the alarm, in all likelihood, if I disappeared (at least if my boyfriend had been the one responsible -- otherwise, I like to think he would have said something to someone). Students tend to have weird schedules and are very busy. They are always surrounded by people, but not always consistently the same people.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if someone did a double-take at them together, then what? They did not appear to be doing anything illegal. At best, they might remember now, that they saw them in the bar, or on the mall. That does not help much. No one is denying they were together.

Jmo it does seem unlikely after the wild evening she had that yet another perp caught up with her later and is the real abductor.

 

[Starry Night]

I think it's odd that a fit, healthy, tall, beautiful, intelligent, drunk 18 year-old student would suddenly decide to accompany a 32 year-old, by all accounts unemployed, 270 pound, 6'2" black man when she's lost. If I saw the two of them together, I would wonder what she was doing with someone like that.

I think a "fit, healthy, tall, beautiful, intelligent, drunk 18 year-old student....." would get a lot of attention in the wee hours-including men with bad intent.

 

[BloodshotEye]

1:20 AM....
I have been curious about that 1:20am text message. I don't have a link, but I recall seeing a news source suggesting that LE believes it to be 'incorrect'. No reason? Just, "it's incorrect". I am not so quick to dismiss this text message. Would it have been possible, to exit from Tempo, and drive to that spot where HG texted, by 1:20am?

 

[JnRyan]

The team approach isn't working for me because would you pick Dreads to be the guy to get the girl? I know he DID get the girl in this case, but we all find that strange. You'd think you'd have a female or a guy who made a women/girl feel flattered and comfortable as the pick-up guy. And how would the team know that a drunk young woman would appear at the mall alone? That just seems too random to be successful for the team.

I think either:

1. BG worked alone and this was a crime of opportunity
or
2. BG dropped off Hannah near the next party/her apartment and the crime was committed by someone else.

I agree. I believe he either thought he picked up someone for consensual sex (mistakenly) or he planned to commit a sexual assault and in either case he lost control of the situation.

I have to keep an open mind about #2, but if he did drop her off he would giving that info to CPD to get them off his case.

In the middle of all this we have the last text at 1:20 AM where Hannah states she is lost. I believe I read somewhere that her phone is either off or the battery runs down shortly after that text. That would be about the time she left the bar.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like I'm starting every sentence with something along the lines of, "back in my day..." but... when I was in college, I lived in an off-campus apartment. My roommate and I each had separate bedrooms. We both had boyfriends. Both of us spent every night at our respective boyfriends' places and it was a happy surprise when we ran into each other at the apartment. We had to actually make coffee dates to see each other. I could have otherwise gone days -- days! -- without seeing her. Same with all the rest of my friends. I would have seen at least one or two of them every day, but there was no single friend I saw every single day. So, it would have taken a week to raise the alarm, in all likelihood, if I disappeared (at least if my boyfriend had been the one responsible -- otherwise, I like to think he would have said something to someone). Students tend to have weird schedules and are very busy. They are always surrounded by people, but not always consistently the same people.

What if your friend had texted you she was lost? And then you never heard from her again? I am not talking about maybe she was at boyfriend's or hooked up and spent the night elsewhere. I just don't get the disregard, intentional or just careless, just to make sure she was safe in the morning.

 

[msteach]

On the Parker Slaybaugh FB page you can see some more details about the guy -- specific behaviors and specific things that he always had with him. I don't know how much I can say here before it is considered sleuthing him without him being named, so I will be careful and cryptic. A couple of very specific items were mentioned. The woman who mentioned one of the items said that she will be calling LE about it, as it was something very specific that may be helpful to the investigation. They may already have this item, for all we know, but it definitely sounded like it might hold a clue as to more details about BDG.

 

[otto]

I am so depressed that no one raised the alarm Sat. morning, when it would have been clear she never made it home. I know young people are pretty self-absorbed, but the extra time hurts the case, one way or another. Same with Christina in TX, four days before anyone was alarmed, after two missed days of work. My sisters in TX would be phoning my local police if I missed a day of email just checking in. And when the last thing your friend says, at 1:30 in the morning is that she is lost...well it just boggles my mind.

Jmo

The same thing happened with Morgan Harrington. She attended a concert with several friends, but was asked to leave because she was smoking in the wrong place and intoxicated. She was belligerent with a couple of people outside the concert arena (John Paul), and then wandered off to the parking lot near the bridge. No one intervened on her behalf ... even though she was an intoxicated young woman, alone late at night.

It sounds like Hannah was in the same situation. She'd been out for dinner with friends, attended a party with friends, and then was alone on the street looking for the next party. Something is clearly wrong with that picture, and clearly Morgan's disappearance did not provide an understanding of the importance of the buddy system.

 

[Lovepink]

Do you really think if this guy was a drug dealer, his car and home would be searched and not a thing found to arrest him on even a drug charge was found??
At that point ANYTHING...a baggie with a strange substance, a scale, pipe, actual drugs...whatever. They would have surely arrested him for that and worked the case while having him booked for drug charges.

This guy wasnt a drug dealer. Or at least, he wasnt a real one.

Yeah, this does make sense. They would have found paraphernalia or something. Unless they had some reason to not want to arrest him on that charge and wait and see what he does/where he goes. Maybe they're hoping he'll lead them to her because he's concerned and goes to check on where he left her?

 

[absentia]

I wouldn't think anything of it if I saw the two of them together, myself. But the age difference makes me think that it's an unlikely pair. At that age, everyone I knew thought guys past the age of 25 or 26 were "real grownups" because they had already graduated. Someone 32 would have been way out of range. My senior year, my boyfriend was 28 and everyone couldn't believe how OLD he was, even though he looked and acted young for his age. I just think it would be weird for a sophomore in college to pair up with a non-student in his thirties.

not if you're on X. not saying she was, but that would explain a lot. and it could have been unintentional - like getting her drink laced. all of a sudden she's racing all over town after having gone home an hour before.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

If she took something knowingly, as in drugs, she probably didn't do it alone. Some of Longo's frustration is coming from the fact that nobody is coming forward with this information. The person or persons who supplied her need to start talking.


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[MLE]

I think a "fit, healthy, tall, beautiful, intelligent, drunk 18 year-old student....." would get a lot of attention in the wee hours-including men with bad intent.

I would've probably just thought she was working and he was her boss, to be honest.

 

[cluciano63]

LE has his phone...if he innocent, it would be turned on and not missing any hours when "off" or "dead" during early Saturday morning hours, so if he is telling the truth and says he dropped her someplace, maybe his phone will be helpful. Or just the fact that his phone WAS off during critical hours could add more suspicion. If he is an experienced predator, he probably knows to turn off his found when out stalking, Imo.

 

[absentia]

1:20 AM....
I have been curious about that 1:20am text message. I don't have a link, but I recall seeing a news source suggesting that LE believes it to be 'incorrect'. No reason? Just, "it's incorrect". I am not so quick to dismiss this text message. Would it have been possible, to exit from Tempo, and drive to that spot where HG texted, by 1:20am?

seems possible. it's only 1.5 miles. if they left Tempo by 1:15 she could have been on that corner by 1:20.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

But your point does still stand because rape has always been a big problem there. I was a part of groups on campus to help raise awareness, etc., and it was a big problem. I guess that's the case for most college campuses? I don't know if it's worse at some, but I do know that the city was never really safe and had various crime waves. The corner wasn't that safe either at night because people were drunk and vulnerable, but people still go there obviously because it's so close to grounds and a lot of bars/restaurants. And a lot of students live there. I felt safer on grounds than at the corner at night because of all the lighting, tons of police call boxes, lots of people around, etc. But maybe it was a false sense of comfort because the assaults and robberies we were told about usually happened off grounds.

Honestly, i feel more safe in Richmond (VCU) area than c-ville, as a young woman. The stories coming out of the UVA area have always been bad for young women.

I mean we (RVA) have our problems, but not the amount of sexual assaults/kidnappings.

 

[otto]

What if your friend had texted you she was lost? And then you never heard from her again? I am not talking about maybe she was at boyfriend's or hooked up and spent the night elsewhere. I just don't get the disregard, intentional or just careless, just to make sure she was safe in the morning.

It seems obvious that her co-students were expecting that she was on a bender and would show up in a day or two. When she didn't show up by Sunday afternoon, someone reported that she was missing ... 40 hours missing ... midnight Friday to 4PM Sunday.