VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[cville_bob]

I've been trying to get caught up all evening, but since I'm signed up for the search tomorrow I need to get some sleep.

 

[Lovepink]

Honestly, i feel more safe in Richmond (VCU) area than c-ville, as a young woman. The stories coming out of the UVA area have always been bad for young women.

I mean we (RVA) have our problems, but not the amount of sexual assaults/kidnappings.

Yeah, I grew up in RVA and live there now and that's a fair statement. Most of RVA's crime tends to be robberies, murders, or people getting into fights.

 

[Inthedetails]

I feel like I'm starting every sentence with something along the lines of, "back in my day..." but... when I was in college, I lived in an off-campus apartment. My roommate and I each had separate bedrooms. We both had boyfriends. Both of us spent every night at our respective boyfriends' places and it was a happy surprise when we ran into each other at the apartment. We had to actually make coffee dates to see each other. I could have otherwise gone days -- days! -- without seeing her. Same with all the rest of my friends. I would have seen at least one or two of them every day, but there was no single friend I saw every single day. So, it would have taken a week to raise the alarm, in all likelihood, if I disappeared (at least if my boyfriend had been the one responsible -- otherwise, I like to think he would have said something to someone). Students tend to have weird schedules and are very busy. They are always surrounded by people, but not always consistently the same people.

Not being missed is sad. What you describe might be common, but that doesn't make it a healthy or kind.

It doesn't take that much effort to check in with a close friend/roomie without invading privacy or being nosy. JMO. I think our culture is lost in many ways and this is just a symptom - nobody notices anyone else and everyone thinks that's okay. But, everyone shows up when drugs and alcohol are served.

Sigh. Sorry...this case is getting to me. Time for a break.

 

[cluciano63]

It seems obvious that her co-students were expecting that she was on a bender and would show up in a day or two. When she didn't show up by Sunday afternoon, someone reported that she was missing ... 40 hours missing ... midnight Friday to 4PM Sunday.

That would kind of imply she did this sort of thing, maybe without the getting lost part, on a regular basis? Got wrecked and disappeared for overnight or longer?

 

[Lovepink]

I've been trying to get caught up all evening, but since I'm signed up for the search tomorrow I need to get some sleep.

Thanks for helping with the search Bob!

 

[absentia]

anyone know who the dealer was in MH case? The killer said there were 2 others involved.

 

[otto]

seems possible. it's only 1.5 miles. if they left Tempo by 1:15 she could have been on that corner by 1:20.

They were at Tempo at about 1:10AM. She sent a text stating that she was lost and giving the coordinates of 14th and Wertland, reportedly a mile from where she was. Why was she sending a text about being lost after she was with the old 270 pound 6'2" black man? Were they both lost? They were together. Is he unfamiliar with the area like she was? If she was with him, why was she lost?

 

[absentia]

That would kind of imply she did this sort of thing, maybe without the getting lost part, on a regular basis? Got wrecked and disappeared for overnight or longer?

Was this not her first year at school? so she'd been there a month? not really enough time to get into any regular habits?

 

[otto]

anyone know who the dealer was in MH case? The killer said there were 2 others involved.

Do you mean the Morgan Harrington case? There has been no arrest, so there is no "killer", or "2 others involved".

 

[Skigirl]

What if your friend had texted you she was lost? And then you never heard from her again? I am not talking about maybe she was at boyfriend's or hooked up and spent the night elsewhere. I just don't get the disregard, intentional or just careless, just to make sure she was safe in the morning.

Yes, I would have been frantically worried if I got a text saying my friend was lost at 1:20 in the morning and I would have checked up and probably called the police and/or her parents (if there were texts back then, in the stone age). But now I consistently miss texts or don't check them on my iPhone, sometimes until days later. I don't know if that's common with people younger than me.

 

[absentia]

They were at Tempo at about 1:10AM. She sent a text stating that she was lost and giving the coordinates of 14th and Wertland, reportedly a mile from where she was. Why was she sending a text about being lost after she was with the old 270 pound 6'2" black man? Were they both lost? They were together. Is he unfamiliar with the area like she was? If she was with him, why was she lost?

if she was on the way to a party, "lost" could just mean "I can't find the party". like, I'm here at the corner but there's no party, or something. I expect a reply from her friends would have included an address or updated location?

 

[absentia]

Do you mean the Morgan Harrington case? There has been no arrest, so there is no "killer", or "2 others involved".

oh, do I mean the Alyssa case then? Randy Taylor is in jail for it.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

That person was caught while I was at UVA I believe. He was linked via DNA evidence, he worked at a local grocery store.

http://www.readthehook.com/86185/co...irst-known-attack-serial-rape-suspect-custody

That article actually had some great information about how they handled the DNA pre and post arrest, not to mention, according this article they some how managed to amass a gigantic database of DNA for AA Males in the Cville Virginia area.

 

[Skigirl]

Not be be missed is sad. What you describe might be common, but that doesn't make it a healthy or kind.

It doesn't take that much effort to check in with a close friend/roomie without invading privacy or being nosy. JMO. I think our culture is lost in many ways and this is just a symptom - nobody notices anyone else and everyone thinks that's okay. But, everyone shows up when drugs and alcohol are served.

Sigh. Sorry...this case is getting to me. Time for a break.

I dunno... the only person I check in with, literally daily, is my husband. Am I uncaring because I don't call every single one of my friends and family members every single day? I'm not sure they would want to hear from me that much!

 

[Biggles]

I've been trying to get caught up all evening, but since I'm signed up for the search tomorrow I need to get some sleep.

Thanks for being part of the search. Whatever happens tomorrow, I hope it helps bring some peace of mind to Hannah's friends and family. It's now almost 12:45 EDT... just about exactly a week after Hannah's last-known journey began to be captured on video...

 

[Biggles]

Was this not her first year at school? so she'd been there a month? not really enough time to get into any regular habits?

Second year. She lived on-campus in a dorm last year. This was her first year of living off-campus.
http://m.roanoke.com/news/virginia/...ec8-57a2-5134-9c17-c0537e6a8ea5.html?mode=jqm

 

[BloodshotEye]

seems possible. it's only 1.5 miles. if they left Tempo by 1:15 she could have been on that corner by 1:20.

Ok. Then I will remain open to the possibility, HG picked up some 'party supplies' from DG (now she is drunk and high). DG then drove her back to a point where HG said she needed to go. Scenario 1: HG got out of the car, sent that text, and attempted to walk home from that text location. Scenario 2: She couldn't navigate her way home, and DG took her back to his place. She had a drug reaction, and DG panicked. I get this vibe from DG, that he's a small time guy, who works the college crowd to augment his income. A little this, a little that.

 

[GeeButtersnaps]

It's possible he gave her a lift back to her neighborhood and dropped her off. In that case, she was in his car and left behind evidence that gave police enough to get a search warrant of the apartment. But, maybe, just maybe BG didn't commit a crime other than supply alcohol to a minor. Perhaps something happened to Hannah after he dropped her off. We do know that other assaults occurred in her neighborhood that evening, that LE have so far said are unrelated. Perhaps they are unrelated, but the student neighborhood in the middle of the night might not be any safer than the sketchy neighborhoods.

Honestly, I don't know what to think.

But again this doesn't explain why someone who "dropped off" a girl that is two days later all over the news for being missing since that very same night would not immediately go to police to clear himself..an innocent person would want to make sure they knew he didn't harm her..a guilty one would not want it to be known he was with her...Dreads just dropping Hannah off, not being responsible for her disappearance or at least knowing something of her disappearance just doesn't add up..

 

[absentia]

It seems obvious that her co-students were expecting that she was on a bender and would show up in a day or two. When she didn't show up by Sunday afternoon, someone reported that she was missing ... 40 hours missing ... midnight Friday to 4PM Sunday.

this doesn't jibe with the reports of her personality. and did they have no further plans for the weekend? I would think they would have planned for at least to meet for coffee or dinner if not another party or a movie, let alone studying later in the weekend. this was only Friday night. did she finally make it to the party and OD'd and get disposed of by said friends? it has happened in other cases.

 

[cluciano63]

Was this not her first year at school? so she'd been there a month? not really enough time to get into any regular habits?

No, second year.