VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[Skigirl]

I'm not being argumentative either. I just seems that perhaps one of the reasons that students are drunk and wasted is a lack of real connections. "Connection" seems to mean that you know where to score drugs, not a friendship. A girl texts that she is lost and no one bothers to find out if she ever made it home. And everyone seems okay with that.....guess I'm the oddball, but I find it cold.

I guess I'm just trying to give her friends the benefit of the doubt -- that they didn't know she was in trouble.

 

[otto]

ok, so she knew her way around and the locals. she's a super young sophmore. I was 18 as a freshman.

This reminds me of the Joanna Yeates case. She had been out with friends after work on Friday, boyfriend out of town, left the pub when it was getting dark, bought a couple of beer on the way home, and was actually assaulted in her own apartment - the perp probably forced his way in when he realized that she was alone, vulnerable, and it was late. I find it hard to believe that Hannah went willingly with a 32 year old dreadlocked, 270 pound man ... in his car. Was she so intoxicated that she didn't know better?

 

[cuffem]

do we know that none of her friends responded? or have they just not released that info?
if you knew your friend OD'd, you might not report them missing until family started asking questions.

I am thinking accidental overdose.
Sorry,not caught up,not sure if this was posted.

 

[otto]

I am thinking accidental overdose.

Who over-dosed?

It looks like Hannah was abducted last Friday night at about 1:20AM.

 

[Tuckersmom]

ugh...I wish I wasn't so tired to try to sleuth the POI..if anyone happens upon a name please cyber send it to me since it would be a violation to announce it...

i hate that this person is free even though we have all seen him and poor hannah is not safe enjoying a friday night with friends

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

But again this doesn't explain why someone who "dropped off" a girl that is two days later all over the news for being missing since that very same night would not immediately go to police to clear himself..an innocent person would want to make sure they knew he didn't harm her..a guilty one would not want it to be known he was with her...Dreads just dropping Hannah off, not being responsible for her disappearance or at least knowing something of her disappearance just doesn't add up..

I can understand why an older black male may not want to associate himself with a missing young college girl, even if he was innocent. It might be really hard to convince interrogators of his innocence, especially with the high profile nature of this case. Besides his fear of being assumed guilty of harming her, there may be other legal issues related to the purpose of his encounter with HG that he wouldn't want to fess up to. IOW, I don't think it's odd for Dreads to keep his lips zipped, regardless of the level of his involvement.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

I am thinking accidental overdose.

They found something in his car to give authorities probable cause to search inside the apartment. It could have been drugs/something not related to Hannah, but I think they're more concerned about Hannah at this point. I suspect they found something of hers in the car.

This is to weird to be an "accidental overdose."

 

[Skigirl]

There's video surveillance of her in the hallway, presumably at a party, at 9:33.




Here she is alone, presumably arriving at the party.



It's 2.5 hours later that she is seen at the next location, which is close by.

Thanks so much. I didn't realize that those weren't her apartment, either. Are the two pictures simultaneous -- one from a camera that caught her front and the other from a camera that caught her back? Or is one entering and one leaving? I would have assumed they were simultaneous except the doorway in the left matches up so perfectly in both images that it looks to me like the same camera pointing in the same direction. I wonder how long she stayed and what time she got there and what time she left. Did MSM get the departure time wrong, in addition to the location? It has always bothered me that the last sighting was so much earlier than the first time she appears on camera and that there was so much time between the last time she is seen by her friends and the time she appears on the mall. For someone moving so quickly, she sure covered a small amount of ground.

I just looked at my clock and it's 1:08. A week since the last time she was captured on camera.

 

[FlamingoLady]

Second year. She lived on-campus in a dorm last year. This was her first year of living off-campus.
http://m.roanoke.com/news/virginia/...ec8-57a2-5134-9c17-c0537e6a8ea5.html?mode=jqm

This link, more so than any other I have read, does a good job of relaying what her friends think of her. She sounds like a very upbeat, happy, loved young woman. I have to admit it bothers me that 1.) No one bothered to try and find her after receiving her "lost" text and 2.) It was not until late afternoon the next day that she was finally reported missing. By no means am I blaming her friends! Unfortunately I'm not too sure it would have made a huge difference but the lack of real concern that leads to action is worrisome to me.
***ETA***This article also states that she had only lived in that off-campus housing for 2 weeks and was NOT familiar with the area. That throws a bit of a wrench in my major theory(ies).

 

[borndem]

This may have been said already; I'm trying to catch up. But even if there is evidence of her in his house (besides blood), that doesn't mean he killed her. He could say she was there willingly, they did whatever, and then she left. Since nobody saw her leaving against her will (that we know of), he could make this work if there isn't evidence of her death.

Yep, that bothers me, too. Let's hope that his roomies/buddies get talkative -- if they saw or at least suspected something; and heck, let's hope that the search turned up blood and/or DNA belonging to HG (if she is deceased).

And let's hope that Longo inspired some folks to talk about what they know, saw, or heard. Hannah needs help, and her family needs answers and an end to this nightmare.

 

[Claudia]

I am thinking accidental overdose.

So you don't think Dreads harmed her intentionally? I actually think that may be a possibility. He may have done something with her after the fact, but maybe he didn't have bad intentions from the start. Anything is possible at this point.

We're going to find out. I have no doubt that this will be solved.

 

[cuffem]

My thought is she went with DG to get drugs and od'd and DG needed to dispose of her body to not be blamed in her death and for dealing drugs.Just a theory.She may have gone willingly in his car and not abducted.

 

[Claudia]

This reminds me of the Joanna Yeates case. She had been out with friends after work on Friday, boyfriend out of town, left the pub when it was getting dark, bought a couple of beer on the way home, and was actually assaulted in her own apartment - the perp probably forced his way in when he realized that she was alone, vulnerable, and it was late. I find it hard to believe that Hannah went willingly with a 32 year old dreadlocked, 270 pound man ... in his car. Was she so intoxicated that she didn't know better?

She may have been casually acquainted with him. When I went to VCU, I knew a lot of people that you wouldn't think I'd hang out with, but I did. My 18 yr old friend had a 32 yr old bf. Geez... that seemed so old back then....

 

[otto]

They found something in his car to give authorities probable cause to search inside the apartment. It could have been drugs/something not related to Hannah, but I think they're more concerned about Hannah at this point. I suspect they found something of hers in the car.

This is to weird to be an "accidental overdose."

I think that in order for police to have probable cause and obtain a warrant to search the apartment, there had to be direct evidence that Hannah was in his car.

Hannah was drunk, running down the streets, and suddenly, between 1:08 and 1:20 at Tempo with a 270 pound man buying take-out alcohol. When would she have had time to be accidentally overdosing?

 

[otto]

My thought is she went with DG to get drugs and od'd and DG needed to dispose of her body to not be blamed in her death and for dealing drugs.Just a theory.She may have gone willingly in his car and not abducted.

She doesn't look like a drug abuser. Is there a link to support the claim that she had any association with drugs, (modsnip)?

 

[PresleySyndrome]

Why would she be "casually" acquainted with a really creepy guy? Was she normally attracted to 270 pound, 6'2" unemployed black men? It's three weeks into the semester. Where would she have met him?

Again, when I first moved to RVA (VCU) we had street people, crackheads and other randos show up at our keg parties. I "knew" them casually.

 

[Biggles]

They found something in his car to give authorities probable cause to search inside the apartment. It could have been drugs/something not related to Hannah, but I think they're more concerned about Hannah at this point. I suspect they found something of hers in the car.

Actually it happened slightly different than that - I don't mean to split hairs, but it may be significant. On Friday morning, while at the Hessian Hills apartments, Chief Longo was asked about the search of the suspect's vehicle by a reporter. I have to paraphrase Longo's reply because I don't have it in front of me, but it was roughly this: "The vehicle has been removed from the scene but has not yet been searched. While on-scene to remove this vehicle, probable cause developed which allowed us to seek a search warrant for the apartment." So it is possible that LE saw evidence inside the vehicle, outside the vehicle, or elsewhere at the premises (there was a dumpster close by) but at this time we don't know.

 

[perfectingpink]

Yes. Am I allowed to link it here?

If I understand the rules correctly, you can link the account. Thank you so much!

 

[otto]

So you don't think Dreads harmed her intentionally? I actually think that may be a possibility. He may have done something with her after the fact, but maybe he didn't have bad intentions from the start. Anything is possible at this point.

We're going to find out. I have no doubt that this will be solved.

Oh yes. If this is the same man that attacked a woman near the tennis courts, and murdered Morgan Harrington, then this man intentionally harms people.
If this man approached a drunk 18 year old, seduced her with more alcohol, and invited her into his car, he intentionally harmed her.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

Thanks Biggles!