VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #12

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I first found websleuths at the beginning of the Jodi Arias trial. Since then, I have quietly followed along from the sidelines many other cases and followed closely the trial of D. Wint for the murder of Amy, Savvas and Philip Savopoulos, and their housekeeper, Veralicia Figueroa (one of the most horrific and vile crimes I have ever heard of), and most recently, the Jussie trial. Through all of it, I have always been so impressed with how well-run this site is and I have been so impressed by the comments and insight from all the members. With this JD- AH case, I have learned so much from everyone and really appreciate all the input. I'm also really amazed at the emergence of all the youtube lawyer channels, with the 1000s and 1000s of people watching and posting their questions, wanting to learn and understand. People and lawyers from all political parties, ethnicities, genders, etc.....coming together to learn and to find truth.
 
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Agreed! JD is an INFP personality as I am as well. We take our commitments very seriously and if he committed to be there for Beck he would not back out… Also, I’ve never met another INFP that is a narcissist, I suppose it’s possible but it’s very rare. Notice in all his writing he never forgets to thank Everyone!! That quack on the stand was the worst expert ever….Narcissist, lol, AH is the narcissist…. I think they truly believe the world should revolve around their head…
I didn’t realize he was an INFP, but of course he is… I couldn’t agree with you more that I’ve never seen an INFP narcissist. Quite the opposite - creative, deeply principled, empathetic folks. MOO
 
No chance! The liar had her chance on the stand, in a public trial no less...to speak. She did so for 4 plus days. And she chose to lie. No one silenced her speech. She lied...and got caught
usually in appellate court there is not new testimony, so more attys, less AH...
 
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Depp went over the top, saying he would burn her corpse, etc., even if it wasn't said to her. No way really to clean that up, it shows a disturbed individual I would say, at least at that point in his life.
Not really. I said worse things to my friends about my 🤬🤬🤬 abusive ex-husband. Mostly involving trauma to his genitals. People vent things like that when they are over stressed, angry and afraid, or just plain fed up. It doesn't mean they are "disturbed" in general. IMO
 
She made the mistake of playing the he said/she said game thinking the playing field was level and it was a game of 50/50. What she failed to understand was that credibility and evidence would be the deciding factors and that she has neither. She started the game without the pieces required to win.

I always wonder in situations like this if lawyers are honest with their clients or if they just play along for the $$$. After discovery wrapped up Heard's lawyers had to have known the battle was all but lost. Did they tell her that, I wonder? IMO

It makes me think that Elaine took the case because it was a high profile one. I understand that for exposure purposes, to reach for an upper echelon client base. I’m pretty convinced now that she had no idea what she was dealing with. She most likely looked at AH previous 2 cases. When meeting her in person she must have felt a level of comfort for AH appearing smart, a business woman and an accomplished actress. ‘What do I have to lose‘ sort of outlook for Elaine.

Instead she was met with an unstable colossal liar and narcissist. She was in over her head and it showed. Her “15 minutes“ showed her lack of pop culture awareness. And of all people she pulled that on the TMZ guy, Morgan and I don’t recall the other.

I think that’s why she began to get more frazzled with each passing day. She certainly didn’t know what she was up against and I imagine her going home after a full day with brain fog. She was probably thinking ‘who in their right mind lies like this and who doesn’t have evidence in a trial of this caliber’??

Last week she had to know they were in big trouble and that explains why she poured out everything she could think off in a frantic pace. That wasn’t a good look.
 
It makes me think that Elaine took the case because it was a high profile one. I understand that for exposure purposes, to reach for an upper echelon client base. I’m pretty convinced now that she had no idea what she was dealing with. She most likely looked at AH previous 2 cases. When meeting her in person she must have felt a level of comfort for AH appearing smart, a business woman and an accomplished actress. ‘What do I have to lose‘ sort of outlook for Elaine.

Instead she was met with an unstable colossal liar and narcissist. She was in over her head and it showed. Her “15 minutes“ showed her lack of pop culture awareness. And of all people she pulled that on the TMZ guy, Morgan and I don’t recall the other.

I think that’s why she began to get more frazzled with each passing day. She certainly didn’t know what she was up against and I imagine her going home after a full day with brain fog. She was probably thinking ‘who in their right mind lies like this and who doesn’t have evidence in a trial of this caliber’??

Last week she had to know they were in big trouble and that explains why she poured out everything she could think off in a frantic pace. That wasn’t a good look.
I also think EB was blindsided by some testimony that exposed AH's lies, and that she had no idea about. And also by Amber herself lying to EB and her team.
 
Of course Amber Heard cannot let it go. I'm guessing this is to force Johnny to settle.


She can plan, she can scheme but I hope everyone just ignores her... forever. She's not worth the time, money, nor energy. jmo

ETA: Maybe she will lie herself right into bankruptcy fraud. Perjury is synonymous with "truth" in her wee wittle brain.
 
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It makes me think that Elaine took the case because it was a high profile one. I understand that for exposure purposes, to reach for an upper echelon client base. I’m pretty convinced now that she had no idea what she was dealing with. She most likely looked at AH previous 2 cases. When meeting her in person she must have felt a level of comfort for AH appearing smart, a business woman and an accomplished actress. ‘What do I have to lose‘ sort of outlook for Elaine.

Instead she was met with an unstable colossal liar and narcissist. She was in over her head and it showed. Her “15 minutes“ showed her lack of pop culture awareness. And of all people she pulled that on the TMZ guy, Morgan and I don’t recall the other.

I think that’s why she began to get more frazzled with each passing day. She certainly didn’t know what she was up against and I imagine her going home after a full day with brain fog. She was probably thinking ‘who in their right mind lies like this and who doesn’t have evidence in a trial of this caliber’??

Last week she had to know they were in big trouble and that explains why she poured out everything she could think off in a frantic pace. That wasn’t a good look.
The terms of the contract haven't been made publicly available (that I have seen). Some lawyers will gamble on a $100 million suit on contingency, especially in a civil lawsuit. On the outside chance they win, the lawyers get $40-$50 million dollars, and a high profile win. If they lose, they get $0. Depending on the contract Heard had with her lawyers she may not owe them a cent. Which honestly, I would find really amusing. IMO
 

"He was leaving from the upstairs place, which is where I managed to see him [to] shake his hand and spoke to him very, very briefly. He smiled at me and said, 'Thank you,' and gave me a wink. And he seemed very gracious and happy with where he was and things like that."

Adds Spedding: "Once people spotted him and realized that he was there, there was quite a lot of support. Some people were clapping, lots of people got overexcited, as they would do with that."
 
I am wondering if AH's attys will ask that the award be lowered or eliminated. Since the jury initially tried to decide the case with no monetary awards, it makes them seem less deliberate. Also, there were no questions incident to the awards as with the defamation charges so it makes them seem less substantiated. No idea what VA precedent is for that but I bet EB does.
did they really mean for no monetary awards? i got the impression that they just forgot to write in the numbers.s..
 

Experts canvassed by The Daily Beast, however, indicated there are several steps Heard can go through if she admits she is unable to pay the judgment. Heard’s team declined The Daily Beast’s request for comment.

“Whenever anyone claims an inability to pay a judgment, the prevailing party is entitled to broad discovery on that point,” explained Duncan Levin, a former Manhattan federal prosecutor turned criminal defense lawyer who has previously represented Clare Bronfman. “Here, that means that Depp, now that he has won, will be likely entitled to see financial records and even take depositions on her ability to pay.”
 

Experts canvassed by The Daily Beast, however, indicated there are several steps Heard can go through if she admits she is unable to pay the judgment. Heard’s team declined The Daily Beast’s request for comment.

“Whenever anyone claims an inability to pay a judgment, the prevailing party is entitled to broad discovery on that point,” explained Duncan Levin, a former Manhattan federal prosecutor turned criminal defense lawyer who has previously represented Clare Bronfman. “Here, that means that Depp, now that he has won, will be likely entitled to see financial records and even take depositions on her ability to pay.”

Oooh.

Maybe the amount of money Elon Musk has given her would come to light.

Careful Amber, you don't want to get on Musk's bad side.
 

"The question is if she says, 'Look, I don't have it. It's not there — you can look in my bank accounts,' then we can talk about things like garnishing her wages," said CBS News legal contributor Jessica Levinson.

Heard also has the option of filing for bankruptcy, which would eliminate the $10 million in compensatory damages, Spurgeon said. But she'd still be on the hook for the $350,000 in punitive damages, which generally can't be discharged in a bankruptcy.

Depp could also decide not to execute the judgment, in effect waiving the monetary damages, Spurgeon said.
 
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