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EB cancelled the interview!
VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #12
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Thanks for letting us know about this.
I think L&C did a really nice job defending and explaining Judy's presence with the Depp team. She apparently got locked out of the court, they packed up her things since they were still in the court, and she then picked them up.
It's nice -- and rare -- to see the media ensuring truth rather than spin. JMO.
Seven trial moments that helped Johnny Depp triumph over Amber Heard
Legal experts discuss some of the moments that may have swung the defamation case in Depp's favor throughout the trial.
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"Here are seven moments from the Depp vs. Heard trial that might have won the case for the Pirates of the Caribbean star."
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Yes, I understand the insurance policy, even if it covered defamation, wouldn't pay her judgment since she made her statement with malice.A Personal Umbrella Policy Doesn't Cover Certain Types of Defamation
As with all types of liability insurance, an umbrella policy usually pays for accidental rather than deliberate harm caused to another person or party. Generally, the policy doesn't cover legal judgments/settlements for defamation in scenarios such as:
- You're sued for defamatory statements made as a business rather than an individual. You'd need commercial insurance for protection in this scenario.
- You didn't have umbrella insurance when you allegedly defamed the complainant
- You wrote or said defamatory statements that you knew to be false
Understanding Umbrella Insurance Defamation Coverage
Personal insurance like a homeowners or auto policy is always a worthwhile investment. However, these coverages provide protection only to a certain extent. In certain scenarios, you can address the coverage deficit by getting umbrella insurance. The extra policy can pay for expenses arising...www.fullerins.com
Since it has been proved in a court of law that Amber wrote (and said) defamatory statements she knew to be false I don't think her insurance has to cover it. She'll probably sue them next. IMO
But I have been lead to believe they HAVE been paying her legal fees (what did Elaine say in closing even though she wasn't supposed to mention fees - 6 million?) up to the adverse decision. The insurance would have been paying EB's bills is my point.
But now that AH has been found liable then they wouldn't be covering the costs of her appeal, she would have to shoulder those herself. And the policy also would not be paying JD his recovery, since she was found to have done this with malice.
EB cancelled the interview!
Maybe she checked her watch and realised she was way over her 15 min
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Oh wow, what nice people… just like JD himself, so considerate about little courtesies.
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He says he has testified before. Why then did he ask the judge if he had to answer the question?? He did that twice.
His facial movements definitely got peoples attention. It’s not right for anyone to make fun of that but that’s the world of SM. He doesn’t address it in the article which is his right but I wonder if he realizes that people observed it?
This from one of comments to the article:
“Heard was clearly lying and committing perjury in court. Whatever backlash this psychologist has experienced is minimal to the stress and suffering Mr. Depp experienced. The response the psychologist is experiencing is the other side of the same coin. The only difference is there’s some amount of justification bc of Mr. Depp’s innocence and what he had to go through. Heard, on the other hand, lied and manipulated a mechanism for social justice. All these opinion based articles hold no weight until someone comes out with an article that actually acknowledges Depp’s pain and suffering and holds Heard accountable not only for lying about such serious matters but for damaging the worlds trust in the ACLU, the Washington Post, and social mechanisms that ideally are there to protect people”
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NYT, WaPo, NBC and more slam Amber Heard, Johnny Depp verdict: ‘Gag order for women’
The New York Times, Washington Post, NBC and more claimed that the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard verdict was a setback for abuse survivors and for the MeToo movement.
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I think she's screwed at this point. It's not like my homeowners insurance is going to pay up if I'm found to have deliberately burned my own house down.
I don't know. We'd have to see the actual policy. Is the case over at trial as far as the insurance company is concerned? Is it only over after all appeals have been exhausted? What's the cap? How much coverage did Amber Heard have? Has she already reached the cap in attorney fees alone? Was the policy in effect already in Oct 2018 when she committed the defamation?
How much umbrella coverage do individual people buy? $5 million? $10 million? $50 million? I wonder how much the premiums would cost for that kind of coverage?
I have no clue how that kind of coverage works. IMO
I'm no expert, but I'd be really surprised if it covered appeals unless there was a separate rider attached to it. JMO
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That's such a BS take. It's a setback for lying liars who lie. The verdict did not set back the movement. The lies told by Amber Heard set back the movement and that is what they should be calling out. That being caught lying about abuse is what has a negative effect on true victims. "Well, Amber Heard sat in the witness box and told lie after lie after lie, so who's to say this new victim isn't doing the same?"NYT, WaPo, NBC and more slam Amber Heard, Johnny Depp verdict: ‘Gag order for women’
The New York Times, Washington Post, NBC and more claimed that the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard verdict was a setback for abuse survivors and for the MeToo movement.www.foxnews.com
She should be ashamed of herself. IMO
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Can we say for certain right now though that the trial and the public's vitriol hasn't set the movement back? Regardless of whether Amber deserved the backlash or not.
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I don't know. But I'm optimistic that reasonable people can separate the deeds of one person (Amber Heard) from the overall goal of a social movement. I think people can put it in perspective. I know I can. When the next victim comes forward I won't be thinking about Amber Heard or Johnny Depp at all. IMO
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Right, we may not be thinking about them, but can we say a victim/survivor won't be more hesitant to come forward now?
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I've been thinking a lot about the concept of "mutual abuse", especially in the context of AH legal team claims that if he "abused" her even once, the jury has to find her faultless. And I realized, based on both education and experience, that there is no such thing as "mutual abuse". There are dysfunctional relationships, toxic relationships, where both parties behave badly, but in order to be an abusive relationship, only one person is the abuser, and one is the abused. That is just the plain definition. So I did a Google search: is there such a thing as mutual abuse? This is what I got:
www.thehotline.org
Many times, we speak with survivors of abuse who want to address concerns they have about their own behaviors. They will often express that their relationship is mutually abusive, a concept used when describing a relationship where both partners are abusive towards one another.
Abuse is not just limited to physical violence. It can show up in many forms, such as emotional and verbal abuse —which can include threats and insults — sexual coercion, financial abuse, or stalking.
Whatever form it takes, the aim of the perpetrator is to exert power and control over their partner.
While two partners can act in toxic ways towards each other and push their relationship into unhealthy territory, abusive dynamics require a primary aggressor, Ruth Glenn, president and CEO of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, told NBC.
She said if someone reacts in a physically, mentally, or emotionally intense or violent way to abuse, it means they're defending themselves, not being an abuser in return.
www.themarysue.com
This term is being used to implicate two people as being the instigators and perpetrators in a domestic abuse situation. However, among experts who have studied domestic violence, it is largely considered a myth, at least in the way most people frame it.
“They don’t initiate the violence, and they don’t use it with the motivation of limiting agency or controlling a partner. They’re using it either defensively or preemptively. But it can look on the surface like mutual abuse if you’re not looking at who’s initiating and who’s in control.”
David Cropp, a retired sergeant with the Sacramento police and an expert witness consultant for domestic violence, explained the difference as “They don’t want power and control. They want the power and control to stop.”
www.domesticshelters.org
If the survivor responds to the aggressor with an emotional reaction, it’s not mutual. Abuse is not a shared responsibility.
To say partners are mutually abusive puts undue blame on the survivor and reinforces the belief that the abuse is the survivor’s fault. The mutual abuse myth also supports the abuser’s behavior—when both people are to blame, it can justify their actions.
Reacting to abuse in self-defense can include name-calling, physically pushing back, and other emotional outbursts, according to psychologist Betsy Usher, who specializes in treating abuse and trauma. In a 2021 blog post, Usher wrote that abusers may shift the blame to their victims and accuse them of being the abuser if they react in self-defense.
Endless articles stating the same thing.
We all heard the evidence, and the jury got it right. They identified Amber Heard as the abuser, and concluded that Johnny Depp reacted, not abused. Moo.
ETA/CLARIFY: I'm not talking about the outrageous stories she made up and lied about. I'm talking about things on the recordings that may have sounded bad, and things like texts he sent to others.
Mutual Abuse: It's Not Real
People often contact us thinking they are experiencing mutual abuse, or abuse coming from both partners. Learn how this isn't true.
www.thehotline.org
But "mutual abuse" doesn't exist.
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Whatever form it takes, the aim of the perpetrator is to exert power and control over their partner.
While two partners can act in toxic ways towards each other and push their relationship into unhealthy territory, abusive dynamics require a primary aggressor, Ruth Glenn, president and CEO of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, told NBC.
She said if someone reacts in a physically, mentally, or emotionally intense or violent way to abuse, it means they're defending themselves, not being an abuser in return.
What Is Mutual Abuse & Does It Exist? Here’s What Experts Say.
This term is being used to implicate two people as being the instigators and perpetrators in a domestic abuse situation. However, among experts who have studied domestic violence, it is largely considered a myth, at least in the way most people frame it.
www.themarysue.com
“They don’t initiate the violence, and they don’t use it with the motivation of limiting agency or controlling a partner. They’re using it either defensively or preemptively. But it can look on the surface like mutual abuse if you’re not looking at who’s initiating and who’s in control.”
David Cropp, a retired sergeant with the Sacramento police and an expert witness consultant for domestic violence, explained the difference as “They don’t want power and control. They want the power and control to stop.”
Is Mutual Abuse Real?
When it comes to domestic violence, is mutual abuse a real thing? Or does the term only hurt victims and survivors?
www.domesticshelters.org
To say partners are mutually abusive puts undue blame on the survivor and reinforces the belief that the abuse is the survivor’s fault. The mutual abuse myth also supports the abuser’s behavior—when both people are to blame, it can justify their actions.
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www.google.com
Reacting to abuse in self-defense can include name-calling, physically pushing back, and other emotional outbursts, according to psychologist Betsy Usher, who specializes in treating abuse and trauma. In a 2021 blog post, Usher wrote that abusers may shift the blame to their victims and accuse them of being the abuser if they react in self-defense.
Endless articles stating the same thing.
We all heard the evidence, and the jury got it right. They identified Amber Heard as the abuser, and concluded that Johnny Depp reacted, not abused. Moo.
ETA/CLARIFY: I'm not talking about the outrageous stories she made up and lied about. I'm talking about things on the recordings that may have sounded bad, and things like texts he sent to others.
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What a joke he is. The other experts didn't pull on their face, stick put their tongue, ask the judge "twice" if he had to answer questions, make irrelevant comments about dead actors, act unprofessional and behave like he needs psychiatric help.Dr. Spiegel wrote something.
'I Testified in the Heard vs. Depp Trial. The Backlash Has Been Horrific'
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