VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #4

[DrQ]

These situations make me sad and glad that I am not famous or infamous. Airing your dirty laundry in a public forum can't be fun for either of them. IMO they both appear to have some personal demons they have to deal with. I've never been a fan of rewarding bad behavior.

 

[shotgun09]

These situations make me sad and glad that I am not famous or infamous. Airing your dirty laundry in a public forum can't be fun for either of them. IMO they both appear to have some personal demons they have to deal with. I've never been a fan of rewarding bad behavior.

Respectfully, Who do you feel has been rewarded in this trial?
I see both of them have lost or are in the process of loosing everything. JMO

 

[DrQ]

Respectfully, Who do you feel has been rewarded in this trial?
I see both of them have lost or are in the process of loosing everything. JMO

Respectfully, IMO, they both appeared to have behaved badly while and after their marriage, and it is quite possibly one of the main reasons they are in court. Not meaning to sound cold, however, the risk of loosing everything is the reason JD went to trial and again, IMO they both had a pretty good idea of how it would ultimately impact each of their careers. MO is spoken from an analytical approach not emotional. I hope this helps explain my point. JMHO

 

[Kiranerys]

Agreed... it's ragged, kind of like caviar eggs (sorry for grossness but it's all I could think upon first sight, haha); and he seems pretty intent/convinced that the ER doctor said "oh no no, Mr. Depp, this is a velocity wound".

I mean, I don't know what that precisely rules in or out (though a knife certainly does not seem to qualify; if it cuts, it cuts straight - maybe a guillotine would qualify - clearly I know only a modicum more about science than Amber Heard); but it's certain to mean something to many a someone; and if his rebuttal case doesn't include one of those hand experts on his witness list to attest to what caused it, I'd be shocked.

I've always assumed ( I know! ) that the finger injury was as a result of a flying vodka bottle,as in she hurled the bottle at him and he put his hand up to stop it hitting his face and it broke on impact,cutting part of his finger tip clean off and thus fitting the criteria for a velocity wound.
That is the conclusion I came to in and case. All MOO and all that.

 

[Luna20]

Thank you! This should be shared everywhere! jmo

If she isn’t pulled as an ambassador I expect they will get blasted. It’s the equivalent of going to a dentist with rotten teeth.

 

[DeDee]

I don't think any of those that testified to this "destruction of property" ever said he was a dangerous or irrational drunk. He has done some stupid things in his past but one thing he has never done is lay a hand on a woman. And so far, no one except AH has ever claimed that he did .. I'm still waiting on the evidence to back up her claim.

After listening to two therapists on LegalBytes today discuss AH's possible mental health disorders, it became clear to me that she is in the Cluster B personality group. One of the therapists has been treated for BPD which added a different level to her understanding of AH's behavior. She recognized statements AH made as being some she herself made in her past, ie., don't walk away from me or don't leave when we are fighting. In that regard, it reflects AH's fear of abandonment.

It was mentioned that many therapists will not accept patients with BPD bc of their complex thinking. One ex. given was a patient fumed for a week over something they thought the therapist had said although the therapist never said that thing. After six months of once a week therapy appts., the patient still believed the therapist had indeed said that thing.

The reason is bc our brains can rewrite memories based upon our feelings (emotions) arising at the time of an event. Our brains can reshape the event thereby, convincing the patient that their memory is the way the event occurred. If this is true of AH's brain manifesting her truth, then she cannot help it for it cannot be cured. That is why therapists will deny caring for a patient with BPD. Then, again, if AH is misleading on purpose, it is a lie that she is attempting to convince her audience to be true when it is not.

My personal PTSD is from the side of histrionic personality disorder that evades the fighting and yelling by keeping the emotions tucked away safely inside without voicing or expressing those emotions. My x never hit me but his words and actions were killing me slowly when a bullet would have been quicker. Plain as day, I can hear AH telling Johnny to "grow up, Johnny. You're such a baby". It is that sort of vocal treatment that the x dished to me.

AH brought this BPD into the relationship. It was not a disorder that developed as a result of JDs words or actions.

Cluster B is called the dramatic, emotional, and erratic cluster. It includes:

• Borderline Personality Disorder.
• Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
• Histrionic Personality Disorder.
• Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Disorders in this cluster share problems with impulse control and emotional regulation.

DSM-5: The Ten Personality Disorders: Cluster B

 

[squareandrabbet]

After listening to two therapists on LegalBytes today discuss AH's possible mental health disorders, it became clear to me that she is in the Cluster B personality group. One of the therapists has been treated for BPD which added a different level to her understanding of AH's behavior. She recognized statements AH made as being some she herself made in her past, ie., don't walk away from me or don't leave when we are fighting. In that regard, it reflects AH's fear of abandonment.

It was mentioned that many therapists will not accept patients with BPD bc of their complex thinking. One ex. given was a patient fumed for a week over something they thought the therapist had said although the therapist never said that thing. After six months of once a week therapy appts., the patient still believed the therapist had indeed said that thing.

The reason is bc our brains can rewrite memories based upon our feelings (emotions) arising at the time of an event. Our brains can reshape the event thereby, convincing the patient that their memory is the way the event occurred. If this is true of AH's brain manifesting her truth, then she cannot help it for it cannot be cured. That is why therapists will deny caring for a patient with BPD. Then, again, if AH is misleading on purpose, it is a lie that she is attempting to convince her audience to be true when it is not.

My personal PTSD is from the side of histrionic personality disorder that evades the fighting and yelling by keeping the emotions tucked away safely inside without voicing or expressing those emotions. My x never hit me but his words and actions were killing me slowly when a bullet would have been quicker. Plain as day, I can hear AH telling Johnny to "grow up, Johnny. You're such a baby". It is that sort of vocal treatment that the x dished to me.

AH brought this BPD into the relationship. It was not a disorder that developed as a result of JDs words or actions.

Cluster B is called the dramatic, emotional, and erratic cluster. It includes:

• Borderline Personality Disorder.
• Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
• Histrionic Personality Disorder.
• Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Disorders in this cluster share problems with impulse control and emotional regulation.

DSM-5: The Ten Personality Disorders: Cluster B

There was an expert talking who said something I thought very powerful; namely “lot of the things AH was complaining about JD saying to her, I thought to myself ‘but he didn’t actually SAY that. I understand that’s how she interpreted it; but I see that statement as a lot more benign. I thought there was more than a bit of projection going on on her part’; which I think dovetails quite well with your assessment.

ETA: I think it was the ‘that’s how they’ll remember you, kid” about her red carpet appearance; after which AH turned it into a secret moratorium on her career as being anything other than a sex object. It is interesting that nobody asked her to clarify what she meant by that, nor did she say that she had asked him ‘hey, what do you mean’; and for all she knew, it was possible he was saying ‘you have just taken an iconic career-defining picture a la Audrey Hepburn in her little black dress’ - she doesn’t say anything at all.

 

[katydid23]

just came across this article

The ACLU Has Lost Its Way

The organization now seems largely unable or unwilling to uphold its core values.

www.theatlantic.com

some excerpts:

"But the civil-rights organization’s cringeworthy role deserves closer scrutiny because of its centrality to the case, and because it exemplifies the degree to which the ACLU has lost its way in recent years."

"Once a bastion of free speech and high-minded ideals, the ACLU has become in many respects a caricature of its former self."

I just came to post the same link to this article. Fascinating article, imo.

"The heart of Depp’s claim is that Heard ruined his acting career when she published a 2018 op-ed in The Washington Post describing herself as “a public figure representing domestic abuse”—a thinly veiled reference to much-publicized accusations of assault she made against Depp in court filings toward the end of their short-lived marriage. But Heard hadn’t pitched the idea to the Post—the ACLU had. Terence Dougherty, the organization’s general counsel, testified via video deposition that the ACLU had spearheaded the effort and served as Heard’s ghostwriter in exchange for her promise to donate $3.5 million to the organization. The promised donation also bought Heard the title of ACLU “ambassador on women’s rights with a focus on gender-based violence.” When Heard failed to pay up, Dougherty said, the ACLU collected $100,000 from Depp himself, and another $500,000 from a fund connected to Elon Musk, whom Heard dated after the divorce.

The ACLU’s bestowal of an ambassadorship and scribe-for-hire services upon a scandal-plagued actor willing to pay seven figures to transform herself into a victims’ advocate and advance her acting career—Heard pushed for a publication date that coincided with the release of her film Aquaman—is part of the group’s continuing decline. Once a bastion of free speech and high-minded ideals, the ACLU has become in many respects a caricature of its former self."

ACLU Lawyer Testifies They Ghost-Wrote an Article for Amber Heard in Exchange for $3.5 Million, and She Got Johnny Depp and Elon Musk to Pay Them​

 

[fred&edna]

I just came to post the same link to this article. Fascinating article, imo.

"The heart of Depp’s claim is that Heard ruined his acting career when she published a 2018 op-ed in The Washington Post describing herself as “a public figure representing domestic abuse”—a thinly veiled reference to much-publicized accusations of assault she made against Depp in court filings toward the end of their short-lived marriage. But Heard hadn’t pitched the idea to the Post—the ACLU had. Terence Dougherty, the organization’s general counsel, testified via video deposition that the ACLU had spearheaded the effort and served as Heard’s ghostwriter in exchange for her promise to donate $3.5 million to the organization. The promised donation also bought Heard the title of ACLU “ambassador on women’s rights with a focus on gender-based violence.” When Heard failed to pay up, Dougherty said, the ACLU collected $100,000 from Depp himself, and another $500,000 from a fund connected to Elon Musk, whom Heard dated after the divorce.

The ACLU’s bestowal of an ambassadorship and scribe-for-hire services upon a scandal-plagued actor willing to pay seven figures to transform herself into a victims’ advocate and advance her acting career—Heard pushed for a publication date that coincided with the release of her film Aquaman—is part of the group’s continuing decline. Once a bastion of free speech and high-minded ideals, the ACLU has become in many respects a caricature of its former self."

ACLU Lawyer Testifies They Ghost-Wrote an Article for Amber Heard in Exchange for $3.5 Million, and She Got Johnny Depp and Elon Musk to Pay Them​

The ACLU has a Women's Rights Ambassador with a history of Domestic Violence!

How does this make any sense?! Oh wait... it's 3.5 million dollars, no "sense" involved!

ETA: Sorry, I keep forgetting to add JMO (but based on facts... just google)

 

[steff13]

Wait, JD paid them $100K after that article?! That's crazy.

 

[katydid23]

There was an expert talking who said something I thought very powerful; namely “lot of the things AH was complaining about JD saying to her, I thought to myself ‘but he didn’t actually SAY that. I understand that’s how she interpreted it; but I see that statement as a lot more benign. I thought there was more than a bit of projection going on on her part’; which I think dovetails quite well with your assessment.

ETA: I think it was the ‘that’s how they’ll remember you, kid” about her red carpet appearance; after which AH turned it into a secret moratorium on her career as being anything other than a sex object. It is interesting that nobody asked her to clarify what she meant by that, nor did she say that she had asked him ‘hey, what do you mean’; and for all she knew, it was possible he was saying ‘you have just taken an iconic career-defining picture a la Audrey Hepburn in her little black dress’ - she doesn’t say anything at all.

I agree, it is all in interpretation. And also needs to be taken in context.

She did say that she had been asking JD for advice on how to be taken more seriously as an actor, as opposed to only getting sex based roles.

So he says essentially, 'don't put your puppies up front in a low cut dress on the red carpet', and she uses that statement against him, calling him a jealous scoundrel.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Wait, JD paid them $100K after that article?! That's crazy.

He paid them $100,000 of her donation directly after their divorce/settlement as a middle finger, basically saying ‘because you claim that’s where you want your money to go’.

It was a check his accountant loved writing, I am sure.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I agree, it is all in interpretation. And also needs to be taken in context.

She did say that she had been asking JD for advice on how to be taken more seriously as an actor, as opposed to only getting sex based roles.

So he says essentially, 'don't put your puppies up front in a low cut dress on the red carpet', and she uses that statement against him, calling him a jealous scoundrel.

Also, I can’t recall if we know precisely when she said it in the continuum of their relationship, which makes a difference. Whatever her dramatics, I doubt he’d start their relationship so bluntly, you want to work up to something like that.

Someone was saying on SM they thought Jacob Bloom would testify for her, and after I finished LOLing, I wondered what had actually gone on in Hollywood after JD basically won that huge precedent making suit in 2017; because I remember asking my friend if this wasn’t being a little downplayed on account of his personal life? I mean, you think at least his fellow actors would feel grateful that a judge had finally said ‘hey, yeah, this handshake agreement thing in Hollywood is just… weird. You all need some written contracts like everyone else’; and yet, nobody has as of yet brought it up. Do you have any opinion/insight on whether or not studios, agents etc. are in fact now using more written contracts?

 

[fred&edna]

CPA Edward White testimony (The part about funds paid directly to charities starts about 14:00 on the video below. I'm sure there are other MSM videos out there, this is the first I grabbed)

 

[fred&edna]

And a reminder of AH's pledge in an article that applauds payment to the Children's Hospital by AH

“As described in the restraining order and divorce settlement, money played no role for me personally and never has, except to the extent that I could donate it to charity and, in doing so, hopefully help those less able to defend themselves,” Heard said in a statement at the time.

Amber Heard Honored for 7-Figure Donation to Children's Hospital Following Johnny Depp Divorce

The Justice League star, 31, was mentioned on the organization's recently released 2017 donors list honor roll in a category for donations between $1 million and $4,999,999 million

people.com

And, we now know exactly who donated those funds... Johnny Depp. No accolades nor fanfare for him.

 

[squareandrabbet]

And a reminder of AH's pledge in an article that applauds payment to the Children's Hospital by AH

“As described in the restraining order and divorce settlement, money played no role for me personally and never has, except to the extent that I could donate it to charity and, in doing so, hopefully help those less able to defend themselves,” Heard said in a statement at the time.

Amber Heard Honored for 7-Figure Donation to Children's Hospital Following Johnny Depp Divorce

The Justice League star, 31, was mentioned on the organization's recently released 2017 donors list honor roll in a category for donations between $1 million and $4,999,999 million

people.com

And, we now know exactly who donated those funds... Johnny Depp. No accolades nor fanfare for him.

iMO Johnny Depp has been trying hard to get records from the Children’s Hospital but, as with so many of the entities and people in connection with this case, they keep ducking subpoenas and stonewalling.

 

[acutename]

Remember when I was examining photo exhibit #1806 and pointing out it was a London-based UK paper, and the front page headline dates it to Sept 2014, not Australia March 2015?

Well an eagle eyed Redditor spotted something else:

Photo exhibit #1805, which is also supposed to be from Australia SA incident shows device plugs/socket arrangement which is NOT like Australian electronic outlets at all.

Supposedly during that torturous SA in Queensland, a wine glass was thrown at AH and splattered on the wall.

https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/5-5-2022/Def1805-CL20192911-050522.pdf

Note the triangular/pentagonal shape of the plugs. Which means the single prong is at the top.

Well, in Australia and NZ, standard plugs are circular. They do not have a single prong at the top, but at the bottom instead.

View attachment 343345

Note that they have to have an off/on button next to the socket too.
Power plug & outlet Type I

Compare this to a UK socket:

Power plug & outlet Type G
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Here is (yet again) a MUCH higher res version of exhibit #1805 published in the NY post:

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/depp-heard-164-1.jpg


Running with my UK theory, I researched UK brand water bottles and look what I found:

Highland Spring

I did look up the Highland Spring web site and while they have a header "export," AUS is not a country mentioned as one to which they export .... of course folks flying around on their own planes might get their provisions anywhere I guess.

(I would check up on the outlets too, but I know that the last time I traveled somewhere far away, I got adaptors from Amazon, and don't you know they were wrong and did not fit! So I'll take your word for the outlet/plugs being UK.)

 

[Leve]

Interesting thing pointed out in a video. AH said (in Austraila) that JD threw her across the room and she landed ON a game table. She even made a gesture with her hand indicating on top of. Is he like superman? This 50 something old man picked her up and sent her airborne across a room? Thats believable.

She also said she was holding his lapel and may have taken him flying in the air across the room with her. Yep.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Interesting thing pointed out in a video. AH said (in Austraila) that JD threw her across the room and she landed ON a game table. She even made a gesture with her hand indicating on top of. Is he like superman? This 50 something old man picked her up and sent her airborne across a room? Thats believable.

She also said she was holding his lapel and may have taken him flying in the air across the room with her. Yep.

Ah, you mean this one?

escaped paddles and all, it seems…!

https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/5-5-2022/Def1815-CL20192911-050522.pdf

 

[squareandrabbet]

I've always assumed ( I know! ) that the finger injury was as a result of a flying vodka bottle,as in she hurled the bottle at him and he put his hand up to stop it hitting his face and it broke on impact,cutting part of his finger tip clean off and thus fitting the criteria for a velocity wound.
That is the conclusion I came to in and case. All MOO and all that.

He has said his hand was resting on the marble bar top… he’s said it over and over again; so if that’s the case I think it helps your thesis, where the bar functions as a backstop/vise?