VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #4

[Chelly]

Looking forward to tomorrow's cross examination of AH. I will be here. (thanks for not tossing tomatoes)

 

[wasnt_me]

I wish the owner of the home in Australia would come to testify that there was never an old fashioned wall mounted green phone.

I wondered about that, too, and the fact that she says he's holding her down, backhanding her while smashing this phone with the other hand. It's so inconceivable to me that he can be so skilled to successfully pound her and the phone at the same time like that.

 

[fred&edna]

Being falsely accused (by AH) in such a publicly global-way, and being unable to clear one's name and reputation (as JD experienced)... is worse than suffering through this so-called hot-mess trial.

ETA: I don't throw tomatoes, I'm hoping to plant some soon!

jmo

 

[rebelchild]

When I think about what to fault JD for, I take his name and replace it with "she." Because if he was a female, no one would hold him responsible for not finding a way out. No one would find him responsible for not seeing the red flags. No one would fault him for believing his abuser could change or he could handle it. No one would fault him for suffering in silence.

I do agree with you, and I do wish he'd been able to see the red flags and have the courage to get rid of her before it got this far. The signs were apparently there since they met.

I strongly feel that if society is going to assign fault to JD, who I feel was abused, then society must start finding fault in situations with other victims, too. Is society prepared to do that?

I agree .. and it makes me mad when I hear people call this mutual abuse. I don't think they would ever say that if he was a female. And just to make sure my point is clear .. I said that he DID see the red flags (because some of this happened before they were married) and he went ahead and married her without a pre-nup and thought it would make her feel more secure. But I also know how convincing they can be .. so it doesn't surprise me.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Look at the date of this publication. It is my understanding the hard copy edition was going to be June 13 2016, but still. This is only a few days after her paparazzi fueled public trip to the courthouse to get the TRO (just who called the paparazzi, by the way and why did she use the public entrance when she didn't even have to appear in person to file?). AH front page bombshell on the cover of People magazine.

Amber Heard and Johnny Depp: Photos Show Alleged Domestic Abuse


This is what JD has been having to deal with publicly, since May 27th 2016. This is why AH claimed she was the face of domestic violence "two years ago" in her 2018 Op-Ed. That's why I don't agree with people complaining about the tawdriness of this trial being televised and open to the public. AH is responsible 100% for making this a tawdry, ugly and very public spectacle - and for continuing to try to weaponize it against her former husband. She sold her story to the media time and time again. Then after the divorce settlement, breached the non-disparagement clause by writing that explosive WP Op-Ed. She sold pictures/video/text messages to TMZ (and other tabloids) and is still doing it in 2022. The abuse continues and his only recourse is to publicly try to clear his name. Which means allowing everyone to see all the ugliness which went on privately and ultimately led to this point. JMO.

 

[rebelchild]

I wondered about that, too, and the fact that she says he's holding her down, backhanding her while smashing this phone with the other hand. It's so inconceivable to me that he can be so skilled to successfully pound her and the phone at the same time like that.

and slice (or smash) the end of his finger off and not scream in pain while doing all of the above

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I wondered about that, too, and the fact that she says he's holding her down, backhanding her while smashing this phone with the other hand. It's so inconceivable to me that he can be so skilled to successfully pound her and the phone at the same time like that.

Wait, so he's backhanding her with his non-dominant left hand, while destroying his right hand middle finger on the plastic phone he's simultaneously smashing? How does that even make sense? And, again, if the bottle SA comes after this, how come there are no bloody marks on that whiskey bottle, on the cream label?

How did she even manage to take photos or record conversations later? How come there is a perfectly undamaged landline phone on the counter in the bar area in the pictures? Wouldn't he have smashed that too?

Ugh, none of it makes any sense, imo.

 

[wasnt_me]

Look at the date of this publication. It is my understanding the hard copy edition was going to be June 13 2016, but still. This is only a few days after her paparazzi fueled public trip to the courthouse to get the TRO (just who called the paparazzi, by the way and why did she use the public entrance when she didn't even have to appear in person to file?). AH front page bombshell on the cover of People magazine.

Amber Heard and Johnny Depp: Photos Show Alleged Domestic Abuse


This is what JD has been having to deal with publicly, since May 27th 2016. This is why AH claimed she was the face of domestic violence "two years ago" in her 2018 Op-Ed. That's why I don't agree with people complaining about the tawdriness of this trial being televised and open to the public. AH is responsible 100% for making this a tawdry, ugly and very public spectacle - and for continuing to try to weaponize it against her former husband. She sold her story to the media time and time again. Then after the divorce settlement, breached the non-disparagement clause by writing that explosive WP Op-Ed. She sold pictures/video/text messages to TMZ (and other tabloids) and is still doing it in 2022. The abuse continues and his only recourse is to publicly try to clear his name. Which means allowing everyone to see all the ugliness which went on privately and ultimately led to this point. JMO.

I agree. And as far as "Amica" cream is concerned, if she was using it, why is her bruise WORSE on May 27th? If she doesn't like to leave the house without makeup, why is she not wearing makeup to the courthouse? If she never wanted this public because it would hurt JD, why is this bruise visible from the moon? The bruise she was using Arnica Cream on supposedly since the 21st?

I don't know if those people magazine photos had meta data, but if they didn't, it makes me wonder if they were taken between May 21st and the publication of that article June 13th.

 

[wasnt_me]

Wait, so he's backhanding her with his non-dominant left hand, while destroying his right hand middle finger on the plastic phone he's simultaneously smashing? How does that even make sense? And, again, if the bottle SA comes after this, how come there are no bloody marks on that whiskey bottle, on the cream label?

How did she even manage to take photos or record conversations later? How come there is a perfectly undamaged landline phone on the counter in the bar area in the pictures? Wouldn't he have smashed that too?

Ugh, none of it makes any sense, imo.

Yeah, in her "Declaration" for this trial, there was no SA with any bottles, fingers, none of it.

If you read through this, her declaration is attached, and you won't see it. (start page 18.)

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-foreign-subp-prep-raquel-pennington-8-22-2019.pdf

Page 22, she says, "Johnny ignored me, continuing to hit me with the back of one closed hand and slamming a hard plastic phone against a wall with his other until it was smashed into smithereens."

 

[squareandrabbet]

I agree with that .. no one wins in these situations .. I was always told "no one wins except the attorneys" and I am a true believer of that. But a question as to "there is only so much you can do with a client like AH" .. there were a lot of times that nothing was being said or added to her response .. in my opinion it was awkward, dead space .. there was nothing being added to the testimony .. couldn't EB have gently lead her on to the next question?

Oh, I forgot to mention… one of the experts or anchors on CourtTV was in fact saying they were frustrated precisely because EB IS doing so much leading of AH to the answers she wants to get into the record, and because Camille Vasquez was not in fact objecting more to it.

Another commenter said, no no no, this is smart of CV, because it’s a., giving AH more rope with which to hang herself; b., she’s keeping her powder dry for when it’s really necessary and c., not running out the clock of her team on objections a la EB.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I presume that JD's team is objecting judiciously. You don't want to give the impression you are trying too hard to suppress potentially damning evidence. And I agree, the more they let her ramble on and add more details and exaggerations to her narrative, the more they can pick holes in the inconsistencies and damage her credibility in cross. I am not a lawyer, this is just my speculation.

 

[squareandrabbet]

in the long form recording of the Australia video, which has not been deemed admissible but which is out there, we learn at the end, IMO, exactly how and why AH was able to tape.

At the end, we hear the following: a., AH voice getting incredibly loud; b., the unmistakable sound of duct tape ripping; c., a very loud clunk as, IMO, the cell phone is falling to the ground.

IMO, at some point she very clearly and specifically hid the phone from him with some duct tape she packed; then pressed ‘record’, some time between the ending of the fight and her getting sedated by Nurse Debbie; which IMO, also dovetails perfectly with all her audible clomping around during the process - she was desperate to find a time when the brigade was neither finger searching nor cleaning, in order to sneak in and get the phone out of there.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Yeah, in her "Declaration" for this trial, there was no SA with any bottles, fingers, none of it.

If you read through this, her declaration is attached, and you won't see it. (start page 18.)

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-foreign-subp-prep-raquel-pennington-8-22-2019.pdf

Page 22, she says, "Johnny ignored me, continuing to hit me with the back of one closed hand and slamming a hard plastic phone against a wall with his other until it was smashed into smithereens."

That’s because she didn’t ‘remember’ it, until she saw the picture Ben King took of the bottle she was complaining she had not seen in a data dump until last week.

I remember this, because someone said Brown Rudnick objected to her cavilling that the photos didn’t appear until ‘so late’ in discovery, like Ms. Lagging Metadata should talk, lol.

the more she speaks, the more I become convinced that JD’s classic insult, ‘she’s more full of than a Christmas goose‘, is 100 percent justified.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I agree .. and it makes me mad when I hear people call this mutual abuse. I don't think they would ever say that if he was a female. And just to make sure my point is clear .. I said that he DID see the red flags (because some of this happened before they were married) and he went ahead and married her without a pre-nup and thought it would make her feel more secure. But I also know how convincing they can be .. so it doesn't surprise me.

I guess people think he’s responsible because this makes him look weak, a la AH complaints; and because men should be perfect well-reasoning stoics.

I mean, I think we could turn round any accusations of ‘why didn’t’ onto her, but YMMV... His first wife, as I believe I’ve mentioned before on this thread, told the Daily Mail he is so softhearted he couldn’t discipline their dog. I guess this is a shameful flaw.

ETA: I’d also like to say that while I admit being a pushover might be a personality flaw, I refuse to cast it as a character flaw to want to see the best in people.

 

[Kiranerys]

I agree. And as far as "Amica" cream is concerned, if she was using it, why is her bruise WORSE on May 27th? If she doesn't like to leave the house without makeup, why is she not wearing makeup to the courthouse? If she never wanted this public because it would hurt JD, why is this bruise visible from the moon? The bruise she was using Arnica Cream on supposedly since the 21st?

I don't know if those people magazine photos had meta data, but if they didn't, it makes me wonder if they were taken between May 21st and the publication of that article June 13th.

What I would really like to know is if she used makeup to paint on her "bruised" cheek or if she actually got one of her groupies to slug her for the money shot.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525931952984838145

 

[katydid23]

Is anyone expecting a bombshell (or very strong) evidence drop from AH during the remainder of this trial??

I am sure she is tempted to manufacture some big bombshell ending----something to rival the image of a broken bottle in an orifice ---but it really is dangerous to add something big so late. People will wonder why it was never mentioned before.

That might not stop her though. She is an entertainer and a storyteller. She does not want to have an anti-climactic ending for her great novella.

 

[fred&edna]

Heard submitted a picture of her bruised face when she applied for a restraining order Friday. The actress filed for divorce on Monday after 15 months of marriage.

When she arrived at court on Friday, dressed in black, there was some faint evidence of bruising on the right side of her face

But TMZ reported Friday that Heard was tagged on Instagram showing a picture of her with two friends on Sunday, the day after the alleged attack, and there is no evidence of bruises in the picture.

Judge grants Amber Heard restraining order against Johnny Depp

Depp was ordered to stay 100 yards away from his estranged wife.

www.usatoday.com

Interesting.

Also, I'd love to know when AH sold her "alleged penthouse damage" photos to TMZ??

 

[katydid23]

Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

If we look at their past relationships, it seems that AH is the one with a history of Domestic Violence.

None of JD's past partners accused him of DV.

I think JD can be criticised for allowing himself to be lured into this toxic relationship <modsnip>. She asked for the meeting with JD, during her audition process for Rum Diaries. And I believe she had done her homework and memorised some of his favourite, 'obscure' poems ----making him believe they were destined to be together. But it was all an act. However, she seems to be a full fledged narcissist and they are hard to resist when they first target you.

I read an article about AH and her fling with E Musk. She said 'we connected because we both love science.' [eyeroll emoji needed]

Since when is <modsnip> a science nerd? Oh, I guess when she is having a first date with a billionaire scientist?

 

[squareandrabbet]

If we look at their past relationships, it seems that AH is the one with a history of Domestic Violence.

None of JD's past partners accused him of DV.

I think JD can be criticised for allowing himself to be lured into this toxic relationship <modsnip>. She asked for the meeting with JD, during her audition process for Rum Diaries. And I believe she had done her homework and memorised some of his favourite, 'obscure' poems ----making him believe they were destined to be together. But it was all an act. However, she seems to be a full fledged narcissist and they are hard to resist when they first target you.

I read an article about AH and her fling with E Musk. She said 'we connected because we both love science.' [eyeroll emoji needed]

Since when is <modsnip> a science nerd? Oh, I guess when she is having a first date with a billionaire scientist?

Gee, personally I’d be embarrassed to pose as a science nerd and then come up with some of her ridiculous biological, physics, anatomical and heck, even gravity-defying fantasy stunts as of late; but I think we’ve all seen her true colors in the shame department.

I hope EM is either watching or having them catalogued for him, because if shame is being handed out, he deserves his own share for being fooled by her too, as well as an apology to Johnny.