Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #11

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Among the several witnesses who reported seeing Morgan injured both inside and outside the Arena, one Metallica fan inside says she seemed “upset” with blood on her chin but declined his offer to help.
Outside the Arena, another concertgoer says, he was on the southeast side of the building waiting for late-arriving friends to meet him around 9pm when he heard a “commotion” at an entrance.
“It was some shouting,” says the 44-year-old man who’d traveled from Fredericksburg to Charlottesville and who asked not to be identified because of the high profile nature of the case. Moments after the shouting stopped, he says that a young woman with long blond hair and dressed all in black— including, he says, a black Pantera t-shirt like the one Morgan was reportedly wearing— approached him, put her arm out, bent, as though to walk arm in arm with him, and said, “Let’s go.”
“It seemed somewhat aggressive,” he says
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Waiting for his friends and concerned that her behavior seemed “unusual,” he says, he declined and turned to walk away. The young woman responded, he says, by cursing at him and kicking him.
“It wasn’t that hard,” he says of the kick, but it was disturbing enough that he immediately called his girlfriend to relate the encounter.
“She told me I should call the police and report her,” he says. “Now I wish
I had.” The concertgoer, who now believes the commotion he heard was Morgan being denied re-entry to the Arena, says he reported the encounter to police on Monday, October 19, when he learned of the disappearance. Police have confirmed that Morgan ended up outside the Arena sometime around 8:20pm and made multiple attempts to re-enter.


Minutes after the concertgoer’s encounter, another witness says, a woman resembling Morgan was walking across the street with several companions.
“It was right about 9pm when we were driving down Massie Road with JPJ to left,” says a Richmond bookkeeper/musician whose late arrival prevented her from hearing opening acts Gojira and Lamb of God— but got her there in time to spot a “wobbly” blonde woman step in front of the car.
With the blonde were four young, white men— a conspicuous group, says the witness, because of the direction they were headed: away from the Arena.
In addition to a black miniskirt, tights, and a black shirt, the young blonde was wearing distinctive high-heeled boots, says the witness, a mother of two who spoke on condition of anonymity over concern for getting “pulled into the fray.”
Until now, the missing woman’s boots have been described as “knee high,” but this witness insists they were “over the knee.” (Through a spokesperson with the Harrington’s recently hired PR firm, Gil Harrington says the boots she saw Morgan try on prior to the concert were not above the knee.)
The men, says the witness, were allegedly laughing.
“I thought, ‘That girl should have no business going off with those guys, walking into an empty parking lot when the concert is getting ready to start.”


The blonde, however, did not allegedly seem distressed and even, seemingly as a joke, shook one leg at the men, also clad in black. The witness estimates the time at 9:05pm since she placed a phone call to a friend a minute later while still on Massie Road.

It wasn’t the last time the Richmond woman saw the young blonde. After she, her husband, and friend parked near U-Hall, she says, she saw the same group of five gathered around a vehicle in the RV Lot, or Lannigan Field overflow parking lot— the spot where Morgan’s purse and phone were found and one of the last places police have officially placed her.
“I figured, ‘They’re going to party before they go into JPJ,” says the woman, who estimates the RV Lot sighting as 9:15pm. When she learned about the disappearance on Monday, October 19, she says, she immediately relayed her information to police, who have interviewed her as many as five times in the past three weeks.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/ind...fore-hitching-morgan-harrington-caused-worry/

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I keep coming back to this post / link and just want to throw a thought out there so the really good sleuthers can set me straight and get my mind off of this. (sorry to post the whole thing all over again)
Does anyone but me get any kind of feeling that Morgan MIGHT have been trying to get HELP, maybe making someone think she was WITH someone? Putting her arm in his and saying "Let's go" and then causing a scene when he turned away just made me feel like she was trying to get away from something or someone.
I know the article says she had refused help from another person but maybe she became more concerned and changed her mind.
I 'm sure I'm far off but it just is bothering me. Maybe this idea has already been shot down ; I have read and read and haven't seen anything though.
By the way, does HE remember if she had on leggings and what her boots looked like? He may have noticed since she kicked him ,he said.
 
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Does anyone but me get any kind of feeling that Morgan MIGHT have been trying to get HELP, maybe making someone think she was WITH someone? Putting her arm in his and saying "Let's go" and then causing a scene when he turned away just made me feel like she was trying to get away from something or someone.

I thought of exactly that same thing when I heard it. Because I have done that exact thing... Linking up with someone I don't know to get away from someone else.
 
  • #423
Kind of off-topic, but now that this discussion of "where did they get the alcohol?" has come up, it kind of dawned on me that perhaps all of the "friends" family attorneys have told them all to say NOTHING since they were involved in underage drinking and they could end up responsible somehow in case MH's fate was tied to her being drunk.One of these "friends" must have obtained the alcohol.Maybe this is why nobody talks.
 
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I keep coming back to this post / link and just want to throw a thought out there so the really good sleuthers can set me straight and get my mind off of this. (sorry to post the whole thing all over again)
Does anyone but me get any kind of feeling that Morgan MIGHT have been trying to get HELP, maybe making someone think she was WITH someone? Putting her arm in his and saying "Let's go" and then causing a scene when he turned away just made me feel like she was trying to get away from something or someone.
I know the article says she had refused help from another person but maybe she became more concerned and changed her mind.
I 'm sure I'm far off but it just is bothering me. Maybe this idea has already been shot down ; I have read and read and haven't seen anything though.
By the way, does HE remember if she had on leggings and what her boots looked like? He may have noticed since she kicked him ,he said.

I heard that it was girl named D...something and it was not Morgan but looked like Morgan and this girl named D...did not have tights on like Morgan did.
 
  • #425
Kind of off-topic, but now that this discussion of "where did they get the alcohol?" has come up, it kind of dawned on me that perhaps all of the "friends" family attorneys have told them all to say NOTHING since they were involved in underage drinking and they could end up responsible somehow in case MH's fate was tied to her being drunk.One of these "friends" must have obtained the alcohol.Maybe this is why nobody talks.

I would like to know if any of her friends has a fake id or if Morgan did and they bought it themselves. And if so..where did they buy it? Where they live before they left for the concert? On the way to the concert? Or at a gas station or liquor or grocery store close to campus? Interesting. Hope we get some answers.
 
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I would like to know if any of her friends has a fake id or if Morgan did and they bought it themselves. And if so..where did they buy it? Where they live before they left for the concert? On the way to the concert? Or at a gas station or liquor or grocery store close to campus? Interesting. Hope we get some answers.


I would imagine with Morgan being 20 that she had at least one friend who was 21. I think it's as simple as that, they had a friend who was of age buy it for them. That would have been the easiest and least risky way of going about it rather than use a fake ID. They probably drank a whole lot before going in to the arena, knowing they couldn't drink while in there.
 
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I thought of exactly that same thing when I heard it. Because I have done that exact thing... Linking up with someone I don't know to get away from someone else.

Me too, for sure, more than once. It felt like the instinctive and natural thing to do faced with the danger
 
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I would imagine with Morgan being 20 that she had at least one friend who was 21. I think it's as simple as that, they had a friend who was of age buy it for them. That would have been the easiest and least risky way of going about it rather than use a fake ID. They probably drank a whole lot before going in to the arena, knowing they couldn't drink while in there.

Yes, either way- older friend, or fake ID somebody could end up in trouble and perhaps legal council told them all to totally clam up- hence the friends silence and seeming indifference.
 
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Yes, either way- older friend, or fake ID somebody could end up in trouble and perhaps legal council told them all to totally clam up- hence the friends silence and seeming indifference.

For whatever reason, I have thought all along that the friends have been under the advice of legal council.
 
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Keep in mind, Morgan also used to work for a printing firm - not sure exactly what they did, but maybe she had access to equiptment to manufacture a fake id.



Yes, either way- older friend, or fake ID somebody could end up in trouble and perhaps legal council told them all to totally clam up- hence the friends silence and seeming indifference.
 
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Yes, either way- older friend, or fake ID somebody could end up in trouble and perhaps legal council told them all to totally clam up- hence the friends silence and seeming indifference.

I think possibly LE knows who bought the alcohol but isn't putting it out there. I would say because of the case and keeping their info private and because they're underage. I don't think LE is all that worried about where the alcohol came from, just wanted to have an idea of how much she drank and how much her judgement would have been impaired at the time she went missing. They have much bigger things to figure out than where 20 year olds got their alcohol before a concert. JMHO. Hopefully that doesn't sound snarky, it wasn't meant to be.
 
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For whatever reason, I have thought all along that the friends have been under the advice of legal council.

I think that would be the best way to go if in that situation. I totally agree.
 
  • #433
For some reason I have this strong feeling that the person who did this to Morgan is not an S.O. but is a male of her age, who is fairly attractive and not dangerous looking and saw an opportunity. Possibly he's been abusive to a girlfriend in the past in some way but doesn't have any arrests. She either knows him or met him outside of the arena and he was very nice to her when she couldn't get back in. Maybe he told her he would stay with her outside. He charmed her and gave her more to drink, possibly from his car. She became more intoxicated, thus her judgement was poor and she readily went with him for whatever reason. Maybe he told her he knew of a party and it was within walking distance from the arena? I know she was supposed to have been seen by the bridge with 3 males? Why else would she have been walking with 3 males, shouldn't they have had a car? Did they convince her to walk since they had all been drinking and didn't want to get picked up for DUI on the way?
 
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For some reason I have this strong feeling that the person who did this to Morgan is not an S.O. but is a male of her age, who is fairly attractive and not dangerous looking and saw an opportunity. Possibly he's been abusive to a girlfriend in the past in some way but doesn't have any arrests. She either knows him or met him outside of the arena and he was very nice to her when she couldn't get back in. Maybe he told her he would stay with her outside. He charmed her and gave her more to drink, possibly from his car. She became more intoxicated, thus her judgement was poor and she readily went with him for whatever reason. Maybe he told her he knew of a party and it was within walking distance from the arena? I know she was supposed to have been seen by the bridge with 3 males? Why else would she have been walking with 3 males, shouldn't they have had a car? Did they convince her to walk since they had all been drinking and didn't want to get picked up for DUI on the way?

of course...but Morgan was intoxicated wanted to get away. these three guys wanted some fun, things got out of hand, then they dump her body or left her out on the road. She walked into the property fell, hurt herself died from hypothermia.
 
  • #435
I think that would be the best way to go if in that situation. I totally agree.

Yes, I do believe that they needed to seek that advice and don't blame them one bit.

The police have everything under control. They and the Harrington family have more information than we do. . I'm sure they looked into sexual predators, parolees, and recent felons that have served out their terms recently. If we have thought of this guy I'm sure they have already questioned him, maybe even months ago as I'm sure the investigators looked for sex offenders that may be young. We just have to trust that everything will be okay during this investigation. In an investigation such as this, there are to be bumps on the road I live in C-ville and get all the updated information as it comes through.

Yes, we know the police have everything under control and that they know more than what we do. That is to be expected.

This site is for people to come and discuss whatever they would like to with a case.

Maybe your post wasn't intended as it came across - but it seems rather condescending like none of the rest of us know anything and that you get all the info before we do so you know more. Maybe you do and if so that's cool, but the rest of us still have the right to put out info for discussion.
 
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I know she was supposed to have been seen by the bridge with 3 males? Why else would she have been walking with 3 males, shouldn't they have had a car? Did they convince her to walk since they had all been drinking and didn't want to get picked up for DUI on the way?

This may have been the Dee S. who was mistaken for MH. DS was at the concert with 3 guys.
 
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http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/66764102.html

Spolarics, her boyfriend and three other guys went to the concert and say it was a great crowd. Afterward, they tried to meet up with friends, seated in another part of the arena. Those friends were mutual friends of Spolarics and Morgan Harrington.

"We call and [our friend] is like, 'We're actually missing somebody,' one of the people she was with, and they're like, 'We don't know what happened to her. She said she was getting a ride home, so we guess she's fine,' but so we're like OK, we didn't think anything of it and they went home," says Spolarics.

More than a week later, those trying to find Harrington spotted a blond woman in video posted online and made a connection. Spolarics says she's the one in the video and police agree.

"I thought I would say 'oh that's not me' and it would be over, but people were coming up with theories," says Spolarics.

Spolarics and Harrington are both average height, blond, college-aged women. The night of the concert they were both wearing black shirts, black mini-skirts and black boots.
 
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This may have been the Dee S. who was mistaken for MH. DS was at the concert with 3 guys.

Thank you, that does make sense!

I'm still confused as to why her purse was found in the parking lot with her cell phone with no battery. I've read that others think it may have been placed there after the fact and I have to agree. A girl just doesn't drop her purse and not know it. Even if she's intoxicated. Your purse has all your indentifying info, your cell phone, credit cards etc. She should have also has her camera in that purse but it hasn't been found as far as we know, correct? You would be very careful as not to lose it. I know whenever I went out it was always something I was very careful of keeping track of. The missing battery in the phone tells me that it was intentional so that it couldn't be ping'd. I am correct that the battery hasn't been found? I'm starting to doubt that I remembered that right.
 
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Everyone(like her parents) keep talking about how this is such a small area and that it had to be someone who was in town which brings me to the question that I have. Does anyone know if the police have checked into people that Morgan may have knew? I just feel like its someone that she knows/knows her and knows that area.
 
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Thank you, that does make sense!

I'm still confused as to why her purse was found in the parking lot with her cell phone with no battery. I've read that others think it may have been placed there after the fact and I have to agree. A girl just doesn't drop her purse and not know it. Even if she's intoxicated. Your purse has all your indentifying info, your cell phone, credit cards etc. She should have also has her camera in that purse but it hasn't been found as far as we know, correct? You would be very careful as not to lose it. I know whenever I went out it was always something I was very careful of keeping track of. The missing battery in the phone tells me that it was intentional so that it couldn't be ping'd. I am correct that the battery hasn't been found? I'm starting to doubt that I remembered that right.

You're welcome!

Yes, her purse was found in a parking lot along with her cell phone with the battery missing - however it has been stated that the battery cover was along with the phone.

To me this screams that someone removed the battery - whether it was done by MH or not. And with as many people that was at that concert and people just walking around from here to there...I certainly feel like someone would have found that pocketbook a lot sooner than the next morning - however that's JMO. That's why I felt like the pocketbook was dumped at a later time.
 
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