Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #8

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  • #261
maybe the comfort was mixed up with clifford cause now i cant find it.
heres link about post and link on milton
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4420621&postcount=21

If we are going by the 3 mile search radius - then no, that area has not been searched. LE said they searched the woods behind the hotel, but I am not sure how far back they searched. There was also a search near the Comfort Inn on Pantops Mountain near the Rivanna River, but nothing was found.
 
  • #262
I am confused about where the purse was found but it occured to me if the purse was indeed found in the Cage lot could it have been thrown from the bridge? I am not familiar with the area but looked on a map and it seems possible.

http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/xp-224154

The distance would be too far to throw it.
The pocketbook was found in the Lannigan Field area, stated by LE in many different sources.
 
  • #263
If we are going by the 3 mile search radius - then no, that area has not been searched. LE said they searched the woods behind the hotel, but I am not sure how far back they searched. There was also a search near the Comfort Inn on Pantops Mountain near the Rivanna River, but nothing was found.

Do you know if they have any plans to search those areas that haven't been searched or fully searched? 3miles is not very far away.. i would hope they check farther than that..
 
  • #264
Do you know if they have any plans to search those areas that haven't been searched or fully searched? 3miles is not very far away.. i would hope they check farther than that..

I have been asking and asking and still nothing. I think there are SO MANY areas that need to be searched! But - according to what I hear no further searches are planned. I keep being told that she was hitch hiking and go into a car and could be anywhere. My response (although I don't believe this scenario)? Then we should be searching EVERYWHERE.
 
  • #265
maybe the comfort was mixed up with clifford cause now i cant find it.
heres link about post and link on milton
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4420621&postcount=21

The Clifton Inn is across from Stone Robinson Elementary School, very close to the picture that was posted (of what I believe is a rock quarry). There was a question posted somewhere about a week ago (not here, iirc) about whether 250/Milton Road had been searched, but I'm not sure an actual search of that place has taken place.
 
  • #266
I have been asking and asking and still nothing. I think there are SO MANY areas that need to be searched! But - according to what I hear no further searches are planned. I keep being told that she was hitch hiking and go into a car and could be anywhere. My response (although I don't believe this scenario)? Then we should be searching EVERYWHERE.

That's odd they give no response about having more searches. They should be having searches until she is found, regardless if they are working a criminal angle or missing one.
IMO, the only way i see her hitchhiking is if she was afraid for her life, safety and the only way quickest out of the area was to flag down a ride.
Aside from that, i think something happened to her near where her purse was found in Lannigan Field, near sighting #5..
 
  • #267
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  • #268
That's odd they give no response about having more searches. They should be having searches until she is found, regardless if they are working a criminal angle or missing one.
IMO, the only way i see her hitchhiking is if she was afraid for her life, safety and the only way quickest out of the area was to flag down a ride.
Aside from that, i think something happened to her near where her purse was found in Lannigan Field, near sighting #5..


I agree, but doesn't this sort of add to the fact LE thinks she hitched out of town or at least far enough away that they wouldn't know where to begin to search now?

Do you know if the dogs got a hit on anything, or where they last got a hit?
Was it the field or the bridge?

If you don't know, anybody reading please feel free to answer.
TIA
:)
 
  • #269
I have been asking and asking and still nothing. I think there are SO MANY areas that need to be searched! But - according to what I hear no further searches are planned. I keep being told that she was hitch hiking and go into a car and could be anywhere. My response (although I don't believe this scenario)? Then we should be searching EVERYWHERE.

Morgan should have been so lucky as to have had a friend like you that Saturday night.
 
  • #270
I agree, but doesn't this sort of add to the fact LE thinks she hitched out of town or at least far enough away that they wouldn't know where to begin to search now?

Do you know if the dogs got a hit on anything, or where they last got a hit?
Was it the field or the bridge?

If you don't know, anybody reading please feel free to answer.
TIA
:)

For some reason I seem to remember reading that the dogs lost her scent at the tracks???? I too thought that strange. Can't remember where I read that.
 
  • #271
For some reason I seem to remember reading that the dogs lost her scent at the tracks???? I too thought that strange. Can't remember where I read that.

I remember that too...but have no idea of where I read or heard it... Sorry!
 
  • #272
This is the first I've seen any identity of who found the purse. Where did you see/hear it was a maintenance man?

Separately, if it was found in the Cage parking lot, as opposed to Lannigan Field parking, that's a difference of at least 100 yards, and is much further from the bridge.

So, unless MH dropped or left her purse there before walking with the bb players to Lannigan Field parking and hitchhiking on the bridge, it was placed, dropped, or thrown there sometime later. People parking in the Cage lot that night would have been concert goers (that's why the athletes were displaced and had to park at Lannigan), and it's strange that nobody else would have seen the purse after the concert. Makes me think it was put there much later, fwiw...

Edited to add: Okay, so I just looked at the map again. Depending on where the purse was found in the Cage parking lot (if indeed it was found there), it could have been very close to the railroad tracks or to the apartments that are right there...but it doesn't look to me like it could have been very close to the bridge, or to Copeley Road, nor in a place where an abductor could have thrown it from a moving vehicle (e.g., on Copeley).

Just seems the purse could have been found by someone who picked it up and rummaged through it, perhaps taking the camera, before dropping it where it was found. I read it was a red Sony digital camera so could have been tempting to someone. I also didn't know it was a maintenance man who turned it in - thought I'd heard it was someone jogging by. :confused:
 
  • #273
Just seems the purse could have been found by someone who picked it up and rummaged through it, perhaps taking the camera, before dropping it where it was found. I read it was a red Sony digital camera so could have been tempting to someone. I also didn't know it was a maintenance man who turned it in - thought I'd heard it was someone jogging by. :confused:

I have to wonder if a gf of a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 is sportin' a bright and shiny necklace...totin' a new camera and has a spare battery for her phone...
 
  • #274
For some reason I seem to remember reading that the dogs lost her scent at the tracks???? I too thought that strange. Can't remember where I read that.

well i have brought up many times the possibility of a vagrant riding the rails. i searched for schedules of the trains and found none. just think, a vagrant on the train hears music, hops off.
 
  • #275
I agree, but doesn't this sort of add to the fact LE thinks she hitched out of town or at least far enough away that they wouldn't know where to begin to search now?

Do you know if the dogs got a hit on anything, or where they last got a hit?
Was it the field or the bridge?

If you don't know, anybody reading please feel free to answer.
TIA
:)

I'm not sure what to make of that hitchhiking theory..
Who was the witness of that? A lady saw her talking through the window to someone in a black suv?
If they had video footage of her hitchhiking, i would feel it's more concrete, whether they do or not i don't know..

I don't know either regarding the dogs getting a hit on anything. I too, would love to know the answer to that. Where did they get a hit on things and then were did it last stop? It would help a lot if they got a hit on either both the sighting in the field and the one on the bridge, or just one. Narrow things down a little, i guess.
 
  • #276
Good morning to all. MeoW333 below is a link that will answer your question in regard to the dogs finding anything. They did not. Dogs were used twice. The initial search conducted on 22 October used what are called “sniffer” or scent dogs. The Harrington’s provided several items for LE to use with the dogs but to no avail.

Here is the link;

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/21/crimesider/entry5031991.shtml

There was also a second search done when the search was done by Laura Recovery using not only scent dogs but cadaver dogs that are trained to hit on a dead or decomposing body; again, nothing. They searched a computer generated grid pattern which is pretty standard in search and recovery (or rescue) efforts. Here is a link to an article dated 21 November but note that at the top the article was updated on 10 November, not long after the big search. Hope this helps.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...h+dogs+find+anything&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
  • #277
Ghostmaster, i just wanted to repost your post again with more answers? Well, hopefully with more insight anyway.. I hope you don't mind :)
BBM

MeoW333, you make another good point about the cameras. Let’s rule out dorms because you’re right, way too busy. I am 6’ 2” tall. For someone my size a body as small and light as Morgan would not be a problem to remove from a motel or an apartment. College towns see guys with trunks all the time or rolled up carpets or laundry bags. People move furniture all the time as well. No one looks twice at this type of activity. A guy or a couple of guys moving something would not even register with most folks.

Keep in mind her brother was a recent graduate of UVA. I would bet he still keeps in touch with folks in the area or knew some guys. I keep leaning towards the idea that Morgan ended up getting in touch with one of her brothers friends, or a friend of one of her brothers friend. Someone she knew but maybe not very well, but felt comfortable enough to call. How she contacted that person and what she was doing outside of the JPJ arena is anyone’s guess. (I don’t think it was planed) What we have been told by LE as to the calls to or from her cell phone, her purse being found, etc. may not be true at all. It could be part of the “game” or strategy to get to the end result. They have always been vague about the credit cards being used. They could have had in phone records from the carrier within a day with a subpoena. The person who turned the purse in has never been named. Maybe she never lost that purse, you know?

The person assured her he’d take her back to JMU in time to meet her friends after the concert. The person comes to get her, maybe on the bridge (lets say she was walking towards the direction he’d be coming from to stay warm) He arrives, she gets in the car and is never seen again. But someone saw her get in the car. They didn’t pay much attention but can recall maybe part of a plate number or the color. Maybe a bumper sticker or parking permit. That is enough to help LE ID the car and know who it’s registered to. So now they have a suspect but that’s all. If they move to quick they will blow it. They need some hard evidence. They need a body. That’s what’s dragging this case out.

Two more quick things. The amount of the reward is very substantial. Yes, Metallica put up $50K but it was large to begin with. The reason why? Just a hunch on my part but C’ville is a very wealthy area. I don’t think they (LE) are looking for information from vagrants in the area as to what happened that night; they are trying to entice the soon to be yuppie crowd into coming forward with information. That will be the key to cracking this thing.

Last point, I grew up in Roanoke, VA. Went to Roanoke College. I used to travel that corridor all the time for parties. RC, VA Tech, JMU, UVA, W&L, etc. I had many good friends who lived in C’ville and the surrounding areas. We used to hunt every fall about this time. UVA is surrounded by very rugged and expansive mountains that make for excellent deer and bear hunting. If someone was looking to hide a body with winter coming, the mountains would be the place. By the time it was found, if it was found, it would be nothing but bones. Let’s hope that’s not the case here. Keep this family in yours prayers.

http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/features/35000.html
"The Virginia State Police have decided to shut down the access to the Comfort Inn where they received a lead, Saturday October 23. However, the police stated that there was “nothing to it so far.” The search dogs that were called also proved unsuccessful when the search of a blue truck led them to the wrong girl."

Thinking about it, if the perp does live in a dorm style setting, or any setting where he doesn't live alone, he may want to take her to a motel for "privacy".

Has every motel, inn, hotel, and hole in the wall place you can rent a room been checked out in the area and surrounding areas?

If she did use her credit cards to purchase anything, it may have not have been anything that would help the case so possibly LE wouldn't mention it? Such as a drink, food, or pack of smokes.

As for her phone records, i'm sure LE got them within a day and something from those records and the last text to the young man is making them think she was asking to borrow others' phones (as hers possibly the battery had died, wasn't working for some reason; battery fell out?)
She was left with no cell phone as a means of communication, so the only way left would be to borrow someone elses'. I'm not sure if they have payphones around that area, or if she had change for them. Most places are doing away with pay phones altogether nowadays.

If by chance the witness of her getting into a car could provide information, (or bank cameras could help with it, for that matter) and they were able to narrow it down to a suspect and are waiting for hard evidence, that would be good if they were that close. If they are, i don't know.. They could have thrown the story of her hitchhiking out there, so that the culprit doesn't think they are eyeing him to watch his reactions, very possible.

I agree with you that with the reward money being as large as it is, they aren't looking for a vagrant, more likely someone in the "yuppie" crowd. A larger amount of money will appeal to a wider degree of people, including those who already have money.

How long is hunting season there around this time? What month would it start and begin? Would the potential of snow hamper it a bit aside from the die hard hunters who are used to it?
 
  • #278
Good morning to all. MeoW333 below is a link that will answer your question in regard to the dogs finding anything. They did not. Dogs were used twice. The initial search conducted on 22 October used what are called “sniffer” or scent dogs. The Harrington’s provided several items for LE to use with the dogs but to no avail.

Here is the link;

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/21/crimesider/entry5031991.shtml

There was also a second search done when the search was done by Laura Recovery using not only scent dogs but cadaver dogs that are trained to hit on a dead or decomposing body; again, nothing. They searched a computer generated grid pattern which is pretty standard in search and recovery (or rescue) efforts. Here is a link to an article dated 21 November but note that at the top the article was updated on 10 November, not long after the big search. Hope this helps.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...h+dogs+find+anything&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

The search dogs found nothing at all it seems.
Would there be any reasons for that? Would weather conditions and such throw off their trail? Anything that would cause them to not pick up on anything aside from her not being there?

They didn't pick up her trail from the spots where she was sighted either?

Would it be possible her purse was tossed out of a car and ended up where it did? There was no sign of a struggle, however if the struggle was inside a car, there would be no outside signs of it possibly, provided nothing spilled out the car or went out a window.
If the purse/pocketbook was thrown out a window..? It looks like other items are still missing from her purse such as her camera, and not sure what else.. searchers were told to look for a camera and some other unnamed items which might be in a purse.

Why keep the camera? Is it possible Morgan took a picture of the perp and that is why the camera was not throw out with the purse containing her cell phone?
 
  • #279
MeoW333, I don’t mind at all. Let me try to give you some answers to your very insightful questions. Many folks have questioned on this forum what LE may or may not have done in the initial days after Morgan went missing. I can give you some insight as to what occurred because I’ve had some experience.

They would first check every hospital and ER in a 100 mile radius to see if any injuries came in related to the disappearance. They would check the local morgues as well (there have been cases where someone was wacked and someone else tried to pass them off as a relative and arrange a funeral) they would send out an electronic notice to every pawn shop within a certain radius and check back with them once a week. They would also check thrift stores, consignment stores, etc. where they buy items to resell as well as the internet looking for the jewelry. They would monitor some of the bigger social networks and chat rooms. They would have talked to every Cab Company, limo service and Bus Company in the area to see if they knew anything as well as the local airport. They would check with Amtrak even though there was not a train through C’ville at that time. They would send out an APB for a missing person to all LE agencies maybe within 150 miles to BOLO for her. Every 24 hour business, bar or restaurant would have been checked. Every video camera mounted outside at every business would have been checked.

As for the credit cards, LE could care less what’s purchased (unless it’s a ticket) every time you use a CC you are sending an electronic signal to your location. They are dodging the CC questions from the press for a reason. If someone is using them not only would they have the location but often times stores have video cameras as well. The fact that the phone was left in the purse but the battery wasn’t and the CC’s, I’m guessing may be gone, point to a theft. You can sell a phone battery and CC on the street. Everyone knows that cell phones have a locator built in and it sounds like someone didn’t want to take a chance being found with “hot” items. Also, maybe the purse was stolen in a separate incident, or lost and who ever took the items took the ID because it could be a female who wanted to use the CC and looked somewhat like her and wanted ID to prove the cards were not stolen. Police have NOT said whether they canceled the cards or not. I bet they have not; waiting to see if they turn up used somewhere. Also, keep in mind she may have had two phones. I do and know many others that do as well. Maybe she had a phone all along. That’s the way LE would be thinking. Maybe she’s using friends for awhile. You just don’t know. But she may not have been out of touch.

All this would have been done by LE and they would have had these same thought within 24 hours of her going missing. It’s standard procedure. I do think they know volumes more than they are saying. I think they have a timeline and POI in mind but can’t connect the dots just yet. But soon. Rich kids come from rich families in that part of Virginia; and can afford very good lawyers to defend themselves. LE wants things to be airtight.

Hunting season begins about now in Virginia with black powder and bow and arrow and runs through Thanksgiving for long guns (rifles) it’s been awhile since I lived in VA but the time is now for big game hunting. Hope this helps. Ghost.
 
  • #280
MeoW333, **snip**
All this would have been done by LE and they would have had these same thought within 24 hours of her going missing.

One would think that this list of procedures would be followed, but don't be so sure. Crimes in Central VA too often go unsolved. I sure hope they have done all that you suggest, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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