GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

[Buzz Mills]

I'm happy that Michael Vick has found Jesus, and that Michael Vick wants to redeem himself, but first, on Dec 10th, Justice is going to nail Michael Vick to the cross.

 

[panthera]

We might have to write the NFL and Atlanta Falcons owner again.

You know, Michael Vick is pulling the oldest trick in the book - I got religion. Hmmpph. Accept his apology and tell him to take his lumps because that is what accepting responsibility is. He disrespected every team member he plays with. He knowingly put the entire team on the spot, disrupted their practice, removed their focus, tarnished the team's name, and a lot more. Let him prove his remorse by not just mouthing "I take responsibility." Let him serve his time, pay the fees, and be kicked out of the NFL. There are always other quarterbacks as good or better waiting in the wings if the NFL will look for them. It's time the NFL showed some backbone and integrity and its time the players spoke up against a team member who caused such a disruption.

This is not meant to take away from the atrocious and heinous activity he practiced. In my mind, getting rid of him is a part of "taking responsibility." Where was he last week when those dogs were waiting for their owner to show up and claim them? I guess those dogs weren't his responsibility unless the courts force him to take care of them. I guess he found Jesus after the time lapsed for claiming the dogs.

BOESP, I don't believe a word of it! He's facing up to 5 yrs. in prison, has lost his endorsements, most likely his NFL career and the Falcons want $22M back! I didn't hear him say anything about being sorry he tortured and killed the dogs ~ so in my opinion he's not really remorseful at all or he'd realize that he MURDERED God's creatures.

 

[panthera]

I agree. Hopefully, the judge will toss the agreement made with the prosecutor and give him the whole five years!

This statement from the judge sounds like he might do just that ~


"The plea by the suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback was accepted by U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson, who asked: "Are you entering the plea of guilty to a conspiracy charge because you are in fact guilty?"

Vick replied, "Yes, sir."

Hudson emphasized he is not bound by sentencing guidelines and can impose the maximum sentence of up to five years in prison.

"You're taking your chances here. You'll have to live with whatever decision I make," Hudson said."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7138894

 

[Jeana (DP)]

BOESP, I don't believe a word of it! He's facing up to 5 yrs. in prison, has lost his endorsements, most likely his NFL career and the Falcons want $22M back! I didn't hear him say anything about being sorry he tortured and killed the dogs ~ so in my opinion he's not really remorseful at all or he'd realize that he MURDERED God's creatures.

One question to Vick. If you hadn't been caught, would you still be doing it today? I'd pay to hear his answer. He may need the money soon.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I also heard that he's going to be facing a grand jury on separate state charges.:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

[panthera]

I also heard that he's going to be facing a grand jury on separate state charges.:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

That's what I read also!! :clap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

That's what I read also!! :clap:

Well at least the state won't put him into a country club prison. Of course, we face the risk of him being "Mr. Big Stuff" when he gets inside.

 

[panthera]

Well at least the state won't put him into a country club prison. Of course, we face the risk of him being "Mr. Big Stuff" when he gets inside.

I'm very curious what Judge Hudson will give him for a Federal sentence. I'm hoping it's on the high end of the sentencing guidelines, more than what the prosecutor recommends. It's interesting to listen to the commentary about him tonight during the MNF game between Cincinnati & Atlanta Falcons. Everyone's trying to speculate what the sentence will be & what punishment he'll get from the NFL.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm very curious what Judge Hudson will give him for a Federal sentence. I'm hoping it's on the high end of the sentencing guidelines, more than what the prosecutor recommends. It's interesting to listen to the commentary about him tonight during the MNF game between Cincinnati & Atlanta Falcons. Everyone's trying to speculate what the sentence will be & what punishment he'll get from the NFL.

I think how well he cooperates with the Feds is going to either go a long way toward having the judge accept the plea deal and sending him for a year or so or tossing it and sending him there longer. He's going to have to give up a lot of his friends and in his statement today, he made the remark that he wouldn't point the finger at anyone else. So, I'm not sure if that remark was made directly towards those who he could still get into some trouble or the ones who gave him up so easily. Regardless, the time at the Federal prison will be a cake walk compared to the state prison. There, he'll have a little less free time and fun and games and probably will be held in some sort of segregation until for his "own protection." Some of the statements made by the NFL seem to contradict some of their other statements. I know they want their money back for the signing bonus, but then they make other statements about him possibly playing again one day. Perhaps they feel after a year or so in prison Vick may be forced to sign on with another team for much less than his original contract price.

What do you think?

 

[panthera]

I think how well he cooperates with the Feds is going to either go a long way toward having the judge accept the plea deal and sending him for a year or so or tossing it and sending him there longer. He's going to have to give up a lot of his friends and in his statement today, he made the remark that he wouldn't point the finger at anyone else. So, I'm not sure if that remark was made directly towards those who he could still get into some trouble or the ones who gave him up so easily. Regardless, the time at the Federal prison will be a cake walk compared to the state prison. There, he'll have a little less free time and fun and games and probably will be held in some sort of segregation until for his "own protection." Some of the statements made by the NFL seem to contradict some of their other statements. I know they want their money back for the signing bonus, but then they make other statements about him possibly playing again one day. Perhaps they feel after a year or so in prison Vick may be forced to sign on with another team for much less than his original contract price.

What do you think?

I agree that a lot depends on how much he really cooperates with the Feds (and passes his polygraph tests) before he's sentenced by Judge Hudson. As for him returning to the NFL, I think that it'll depend on how long he's in Federal prison, if he's tried & convicted in Virginia, and how much effort the Falcons have to put into getting their $22M back before they can officially release him. The people who are talking on tv tonight really don't have any more of a clue as to what will eventually happen with Vick than we do, imo. Officially, "dogfighting" isn't in the code of conduct (probably because they never thought it'd be an issue that would need addressing) but it's the possibility of him engaging in gambling on the dogfights that could get him banned for life. He says he didn't, but he also told said he wasn't even involved in the dogfighting either. I really hope they find some proof that he was gambling so he would be banned. He deserves no less, imo.

 

[BOESP]

I think how well he cooperates with the Feds is going to either go a long way toward having the judge accept the plea deal and sending him for a year or so or tossing it and sending him there longer. He's going to have to give up a lot of his friends and in his statement today, he made the remark that he wouldn't point the finger at anyone else. So, I'm not sure if that remark was made directly towards those who he could still get into some trouble or the ones who gave him up so easily. Regardless, the time at the Federal prison will be a cake walk compared to the state prison. There, he'll have a little less free time and fun and games and probably will be held in some sort of segregation until for his "own protection." Some of the statements made by the NFL seem to contradict some of their other statements. I know they want their money back for the signing bonus, but then they make other statements about him possibly playing again one day. Perhaps they feel after a year or so in prison Vick may be forced to sign on with another team for much less than his original contract price.

What do you think?

I think if what you say ends up being correct, the NFL is as guilty as Vick. They will have turned a blind eye and will be sending the message that it is okay to participate in a barbarian activity, lie to the team and NFL, gamble, and be a repeat offender and get away with a smack on the hand. Blank already sounds like he's re-thinking his options in favor of Vick. :liar:

 

[BOESP]

I agree that a lot depends on how much he really cooperates with the Feds (and passes his polygraph tests) before he's sentenced by Judge Hudson. As for him returning to the NFL, I think that it'll depend on how long he's in Federal prison, if he's tried & convicted in Virginia, and how much effort the Falcons have to put into getting their $22M back before they can officially release him. The people who are talking on tv tonight really don't have any more of a clue as to what will eventually happen with Vick than we do, imo. Officially, "dogfighting" isn't in the code of conduct (probably because they never thought it'd be an issue that would need addressing) but it's the possibility of him engaging in gambling on the dogfights that could get him banned for life. He says he didn't, but he also told said he wasn't even involved in the dogfighting either. I really hope they find some proof that he was gambling so he would be banned. He deserves no less, imo.

Isn't that a crock for the NFL to come up with that line. How do you bankroll an operation that is a gambling operation and then say you are not involved in gambling. Sounds like a lame excuse for circumventing responsibility.

I bet Vick's lawyers wanted to put a muzzle on him when he came out with the "I found Jesus" line. They had to have coached him on what to say and then Vick just couldn't resist adding in that line on his own.

 

[Buzz Mills]

It was mentioned during the Monday night game that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will meet with Michael Vick sometime prior to his sentencing. I'm interested in hearing more about the overall purpose of this meeting. Vick has pledged full cooperation in revealing all information he has regarding other NFL players who might be involved in dog fighting.

 

[Ca-Sun]

I think if what you say ends up being correct, the NFL is as guilty as Vick. They will have turned a blind eye and will be sending the message that it is okay to participate in a barbarian activity, lie to the team and NFL, gamble, and be a repeat offender and get away with a smack on the hand. Blank already sounds like he's re-thinking his options in favor of Vick. :liar:

I think once Arthur Blank gets his $22 mil back, he'll sound a whole lot different. I think that's also the reason they don't just cut him from the team right now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wonder what he will give them as far as other celebrities and his "OTHER" career?! He has already lost his millions...so who is he willing to give up? Seems DMX was the first to go. Hmmm....

 

[philamena]

I'm happy that Michael Vick has found Jesus, and that Michael Vick wants to redeem himself, but first, on Dec 10th, Justice is going to nail Michael Vick to the cross.

Well said Buzzm1. :clap::clap::clap:

 

[Enrique Sparta]

His PR pandering did nothing for me. Do you think he really cares? NO. The only thing he cares about is receiving the shortest amount of prison time and being able to hang on to as much of the $22 million as he can. He's only sorry he got caught. This was not just a mistake, this was a full fledged operation that had been going on for years and Vick has been a dog fighter for years as well. It's a way of life for him. And now all of a sudden because he got busted, we're supposed to believe he truly feels bad about it? Uh huh sure sure.

He won't be sentenced until December which is a good thing. I'm hoping the judge gives 24 months. This will mean Vick will miss '08 and '09 seasons because of prison time and then Goodell will suspend him for a year. Not to mention the state charges.

I really hope Atlanta can get that $22 million back, at least most of it. Vick will probably always be rich but his earning days are OVER. I hope he was incredibly stupid with his money and he spent a lot of it. He'll never see anything close to $22 million again.

 

[BOESP]

I think once Arthur Blank gets his $22 mil back, he'll sound a whole lot different. I think that's also the reason they don't just cut him from the team right now.

I hope you are right about that Ca-Sun.

 

[Ca-Sun]

I hope you are right about that Ca-Sun.

Thanks, so do I.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I hope you are right about that Ca-Sun.

Sun is right. It has been explained that, if the Falcons cut Vick now, there would be all types of ramifications from the NFL Players Union which would prevent the Falcons from being able to recover any part of the $22 million.

What I heard was that Vick would likely be cut in a year, or so, indicating that they thought it would take the Falcons that long to recover however much of the $22 million they are able to.