GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

[lizzybeth]

After reading those comments, I really feel for the Eagles' fans. They're right. They're going to suffer consequences when people ridicule and harass them at games. They really have nothing to be proud of this season (even if they win their game).

 

[kittenish]

I disagree. Charles Barkley said that parents need to be their kids role models and I agree. The problems with MV are a good chance for parents to teach their kids morals.

Athletes aren't responsible for raising kids, the parents are. JMO

I didn't say athletes are responsible for raising someone else's kids. I think that as a public figure, representing an organization and even a city, there should be ethics guidelines. It's a big deal when people are caught using steroids in sports. When there are light penalties for bad behavior, it gives teenagers the OK to do it.

When a child doesn't have a positive male role model in their lives, it should be acceptable for them to look up to someone who is successful.

This photo is disturbing to me.

 

[lizzybeth]

Pete Rose was banned from baseball for gambling on the games. As far as I know his gambling didn't cause any deaths, human, animal or otherwise, but MV deserves a second change. Go figure.

 

[Steely Dan]

Pete Rose was banned from baseball for gambling on the games. As far as I know his gambling didn't cause any deaths, human, animal or otherwise, but MV deserves a second change. Go figure.

What Pete Rose did affects the entire integrity of the game. He says he never bet on the Reds but he did, always to win. If he is in a game and the team is winning he will probably make decisions that might not be good for the team in order for him to beat the spread. When people learn that the games are being bet on they can naturally assume the games are fixed and that can destroy a league. Vicks fighting dogs don't affect the integrity of the league. It is possible for him to get into dutch with a gambler or to be blackmailed and forced to throw games but that doesn't appear to be the case here. JMO

I didn't say athletes are responsible for raising someone else's kids. I think that as a public figure, representing an organization and even a city, there should be ethics guidelines. It's a big deal when people are caught using steroids in sports. When there are light penalties for bad behavior, it gives teenagers the OK to do it.

When a child doesn't have a positive male role model in their lives, it should be acceptable for them to look up to someone who is successful.

I agree with you on the bolded parts and stand corrected. :bang:

 

[lizzybeth]

Steely Dan, thanks for the explanation as to why Pete Rose was banned and MV wasn't.

In my opinion, MV does affect the integrity of the team and the NFL (along with any other convicted felons that play).

 

[lizzybeth]

As far as sports figures being role models, there are a lot of kids that grow up in poverty and without a positive male role model. They look to athletes like MV as arole model and it gives them the feeling that they can be successful and get out of the "ghetto" too. Even when MV was at trial there were little kids wearing his jersey. Unfortunately, some parents were backing these kids up, buying the jerseys and singing MV's praises.

 

[lizzybeth]

Just browsing the internet and came across this.


"Pink is not a fan of Michael Vick -- and now that he's playin' ball in her hometown, she's letting everyone know how damn pissed off she is about it!"

"The singer just unleashed on the dude on her Twitter page, firing off the following message:

"wow. michael vick in MY hometown, Philly. of all the places. I hope the fans tear him to pieces like his beloved dogs."

There are already several protests set to go off today in Philly -- no word if Pink plans to join in.


http://www.tmz.com/page/4/

 

[Steely Dan]

My thoughts on MV's 60 minutes interview from tonight;

I don't see how anyone can come away from that interview with anything but a feeling he's a sociopath who will say anything he needs to. IMO, he's not even playing the contrite criminal very well. He deserved to lose 130 million? I pretty much guarantee that if he still had 130 million in the bank when he came out he wouldn't be donating it all to charity. He says he deserved it but that's such BS IMO. It stinks no matter which way the wind blows.

When JB brings up all of the tortures he's done to dogs he sits there emotionless and just says "It was wrong". In fact, "It was wrong" seems to be his stock answer to a lot of stuff.

When JB asks him if he knows why he did it he becomes evasive he doesn't answer until JB supplies him with options.

"It sickens me to my stomach and I was, you know, the same feeling I'm feeling right now is what people was feeling." He then says he's feeling disgust pure disgust.

He could have shut the whole operation down. What kept him going was not being able to say to certain people around him that we can't do this anymore, I'm concerned about my career, I'm concerned about my family. I guess just saying I'll help you find another place to do this but I'm out wasn't an option. He didn't close it down because he didn't want to.

"Football doesn't even really matter Y'know" He then says he deserved to lose 130 million dollars. "On the flip side y'know, killing dogs or doing the wrong thing why would, (unintelligible) they don't deserve it."

The only way he could get through prison and the only way he could live life was by having faith and believing in a higher power, believing in God. The old I found God see I'm a good guy now cliche.

He had several chances to come clean and he lied instead of coming clean. This is a guy who was not remorseful at all about his actions just scared about losing his job, losing endorsements and going to jail. Those are the only reasons, IMO, for his contritions now. He's hoping to rebuild a lot of what he had.

The dude has paid media advisors who prepare him for interviews. 'Nuff said.

I don't think he'll ever finance another operation or own another fighting dog but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he was caught as a spectator at a fight.



JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

The final decision is two games, yes two games. :slap:

[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4442627"]Michael Vick will be eligible to play in third week of regular season, Roger Goodell rules - ESPN@@AMEPARAM@@http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4444516@@AMEPARAM@@4444516[/ame]

Michael Vick got the green light for full reinstatement in the NFL on Thursday when commissioner Roger Goodell said the disgraced quarterback could play later this month instead of waiting until October.

I can't link the article without the video coming up so go to the front page and click on the full story.

This is one of the best parts of the article;

Vick was in and out of the lineup in the opening half, and was booed each time he ran onto the field.

If Philly fans find you immoral you're a real lowlife. Just sayin. :razz:

 

[lizzybeth]

Thanks for posting that Steely Dan. When the first game was played the news I was listening to said that the Eagles fans cheered him, and that the only negativity were a small number of people protesting outside the stadium. I'm glad he was booed (of course, I'm sure he could care less since he's back in the NFL and can start making some real money again...maybe not 35 million, but still a nice chunk of change.

Give him time. He'll screw up again.

 

[passionflower]

I'm a true STEELER fan, but being from PA.......I have always rallied for the Eagles also.......NOT anymore!
What about ETHICS!
NFL is just 'MONEY' and MV should NOT play football ever again!
He is a felon of one of the MOST HORRIBLE MEAN CRIMES.
Let him pay the price for all he did!
Go scrub the floors of the bathrooms in the locker rooms!!! MOO

 

[Steely Dan]

Thanks for posting that Steely Dan. When the first game was played the news I was listening to said that the Eagles fans cheered him, and that the only negativity were a small number of people protesting outside the stadium. I'm glad he was booed (of course, I'm sure he could care less since he's back in the NFL and can start making some real money again...maybe not 35 million, but still a nice chunk of change.

Give him time. He'll screw up again.

IMO he's a sociopath and he will probably be better at hiding things this time. :cow:

 

[indicat]

While I agree what Michael Vick did was very very wrong I have a real problem with the amount of attention and outrage of him returning to football. There are various books on the problems in the NFL including players charged with murder, rape, domestic violence ect. Seems to me there is no balance in the outrage of NFL players who commit crime against their fellow man versus animals. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

Linkage

NO. 7 Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor wore Michael Vick’s name on one of his eye black strips and said this after the No. 6 Buckeyes’ 31-27 victory against Navy: “Not everybody is a perfect person in the world. Everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I just feel that people need to give him a chance. I always looked up to Mike Vick, and I always will. I still think he’s one of the best quarterbacks to me. I love Mike Vick.”

I reiterate


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[lew657]

I am an Eagles fan - was at the game and to be honest there was a lot more cheering of Vick than anything else.

I personally look at it this way - what he did was a heinous crime BUT he paid the debt that our legal system deemed appropriate. According to several articles I read his sentence was actually longer then what is given to a "typical" offender.

As for him being in the NFL again...
#1 - I am glad he is working and not living off my tax dollars.
#2 - As an NFL player he is being paid to entertain me(and all other sports fans)

To me there is no difference between him being paid (well below what he was paid before) to throw/ catch a football or him being paid to pick up my trash (if you live in the area outside of Philly there is a good chance your trashman is on work release).

As for whether he is sincere or not in what he says. I have no idea and there is no way anyone can be sure besides Vick... only time will tell...

 

[In da Middle]

I am an Eagles fan - was at the game and to be honest there was a lot more cheering of Vick than anything else.

I personally look at it this way - what he did was a heinous crime BUT he paid the debt that our legal system deemed appropriate. According to several articles I read his sentence was actually longer then what is given to a "typical" offender.

As for him being in the NFL again...
#1 - I am glad he is working and not living off my tax dollars.
#2 - As an NFL player he is being paid to entertain me(and all other sports fans)

To me there is no difference between him being paid (well below what he was paid before) to throw/ catch a football or him being paid to pick up my trash (if you live in the area outside of Philly there is a good chance your trashman is on work release).

As for whether he is sincere or not in what he says. I have no idea and there is no way anyone can be sure besides Vick... only time will tell...

I agree with the whole thing - except the Eagle's fan part. I also have read his requirements to fulfill to stay in the NFL and have to agree they are very fair to everybody involved. The rules for im also say that the NFL also cares about him as a person. Not everybody has that in their lifetime.

Like you said, only time will tell if he "gets it" or not and if the fans accept him or not.

 

[momtective]

Sorry...couldn't resist.

 

[lizzybeth]

I posted over on the sports forum that Hank Baskett (for those that don't follow football, he's newly married to Kendra Wilkinson from "The Girls Next Door") was released to make room for Michael Vick.

I feel bad for him. He seems like such a nice guy and he's newly married and going to be a father soon. A lot of changes going on in his life.

 

[MrsPoirot]

I'd feel fine seeing him work at an anmial shelter cleaning up poops all day for the rest of his life.

 

[lew657]

I posted over on the sports forum that Hank Baskett (for those that don't follow football, he's newly married to Kendra Wilkinson from "The Girls Next Door") was released to make room for Michael Vick.

I feel bad for him. He seems like such a nice guy and he's newly married and going to be a father soon. A lot of changes going on in his life.

Just to be fair - the Eagles signed Jeff Garcia and activated Michael Vick, which is why they needed the extra room. The only thing the activation did is allow Vick to practice with the team. He still can not play until next week.