GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

[Indy Gal]

Thanks to SieSie for her skills with photos. I asked her if she could make me a Pri^k photo with a bullseye. This is what I think of him.

 

[bnhall]

There was an article on yahoo news about the racial divide in the Vick case.
It's an interesting read. The point the reporter makes is that white people want to see Vick fry and African-Americans are calling for due process. This is based solely on the reporter talking to people at the courthouse.

"Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.
On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white. "
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-vickhearing072607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[Peter Hamilton]

Well, i think both attitudes,black or white, are OK---The racial divide is quite understandable here,since most races identify, and sympathize, with their own---But in all fairness to us whites,if Vick was a white quarterback, We would still be extremely disgusted--I think the fact that really stands out here is that this a famous, rich, and talented athlete,who is a role model for kids and adults, both black and white, and the fact that such a person would engage himself in such an action seems unconcionable--but the blacks wait-for-due-process attitude is more than understandable since blacks have been victims of rush-to-judgement attitudes for many many decades and many times with deadly consequences--main point here is neither of us should criticize the other for their opinions at this time

 

[imthemom]

There was an article on yahoo news about the racial divide in the Vick case.
It's an interesting read. The point the reporter makes is that white people want to see Vick fry and African-Americans are calling for due process. This is based solely on the reporter talking to people at the courthouse.

"Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.
On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white. "
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-vickhearing072607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I am Mexican and I want him to fry, I don't care if he was purple, right is right and wrong is wrong. I bought a shirt for me and my son from the anti Vick shirt collection. Can't wait until they get here :dance:

 

[Masterj]

"The Humane Society of the United States estimates that there are at least 40,000 dogfighters in America, though that number seems to underestimate the epidemic of street fighting in urban areas. In 2003, the city of Chicago alone recorded and responded to 1093 animal fighting complaints. Virtually all children in high crime urban areas are exposed to dogfighting in their own neighborhoods[13] while American hip/hop culture glorifies the blood sport.[14] Rap singers and urban clothing and toy manufacturers promote dogfighting through their products and advertisements."

evelyn, you realize that words like urban, hip hop and rap do not equal black, right? Whites, asians, hispanics, etc are also a huge part of those worlds.

Sadie - I'm right there with you lady! :blowkiss:

 

[evelyn24]

Care to show me population stats on URBAN areas?
The population in every urban area is majority black/hispanic.
Why be in denial that this "sport" has become a big thing in these areas among gangs.
The only way to deal with a problem is be honest about it.

 

[evelyn24]

Well, i think both attitudes,black or white, are OK---The racial divide is quite understandable here,since most races identify, and sympathize, with their own---But in all fairness to us whites,if Vick was a white quarterback, We would still be extremely disgusted--I think the fact that really stands out here is that this a famous, rich, and talented athlete,who is a role model for kids and adults, both black and white, and the fact that such a person would engage himself in such an action seems unconcionable--but the blacks wait-for-due-process attitude is more than understandable since blacks have been victims of rush-to-judgement attitudes for many many decades and many times with deadly consequences--main point here is neither of us should criticize the other for their opinions at this time

Yes, this is absolutely true.

 

[Indy Gal]

evelyn, you realize that words like urban, hip hop and rap do not equal black, right? Whites, asians, hispanics, etc are also a huge part of those worlds.

Sadie - I'm right there with you lady! :blowkiss:

Maybe this will help, masterj

It's important to understand that this isn't about race, but it is about culture," said Cindy Cooke of the United Kennel Club. "One is rural, and the other is urban. But both are equally horrible."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText

 

[Buzz Mills]

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[Buzz Mills]

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[panthera]

Exactly evelyn...so what does race have to do with it? It's about the money, and the caliber of lawyers that money can buy the "celebrity". Thank you for saying that. Vick may get off lightly in the courts, but the worst hurt will be in his pocket. None of us has to be on the jury to do that. His deeds are already working against him from the public outrage. It's useless to direct that outrage at him, but at those who PAY him. My wish is that he is kicked out of the NFL and his broke azz ends up on the street when this trial is done. The man is scum, and I think his family is disgusting.

SadieMae, I couldn't agree more! :clap: Not being able to play in the NFL, losing his endorsements, and being an outcast in public opinion is just the tip of the iceberg of what he deserves for this barbaric treatment of defenseless animals.

 

[SadieMae]

Well, i think both attitudes,black or white, are OK---The racial divide is quite understandable here,since most races identify, and sympathize, with their own---But in all fairness to us whites,if Vick was a white quarterback, We would still be extremely disgusted--I think the fact that really stands out here is that this a famous, rich, and talented athlete,who is a role model for kids and adults, both black and white, and the fact that such a person would engage himself in such an action seems unconcionable--but the blacks wait-for-due-process attitude is more than understandable since blacks have been victims of rush-to-judgement attitudes for many many decades and many times with deadly consequences--main point here is neither of us should criticize the other for their opinions at this time

Hehe...well as far as being a Black athlete, I suppose Vick really screwed up with Black community. LOL...Even AL SHARPTON is speaking out against him!!!!! I find this amusing....Who would have ever thought he would be an advocate against "his own".

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/25/rev-al-goes-to-bat-for-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/

"Rev. Al Sharpton is going to the dogs ... and by dogs, of course, we mean .

Sharpton has turned his attention from celebrity news websites and is lending his voice to a crusade against ... dogfighting? Sharpton and hip-hop honcho Russell Simmons teamed up with PETA to send an open letter to all corporate sponsors of alleged dog fight creep Michael Vick, as well as to the Commissioner of the NFL. PETA picketed New York's Niketown store today.

In their letter, Sharpton and Simmons proclaim, "Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable ... Our battle must extend to those innocent animals who literally have no voice or choice."

 

[Buzz Mills]

Hehe...well as far as being a Black athlete, I suppose Vick really screwed up with Black community. LOL...Even AL SHARPTON is speaking out against him!!!!! I find this amusing....Who would have ever thought he would be an advocate against "his own".

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/25/rev-al-goes-to-bat-for-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/

"Rev. Al Sharpton is going to the dogs ... and by dogs, of course, we mean .

Sharpton has turned his attention from celebrity news websites and is lending his voice to a crusade against ... dogfighting? Sharpton and hip-hop honcho Russell Simmons teamed up with PETA to send an open letter to all corporate sponsors of alleged dog fight creep Michael Vick, as well as to the Commissioner of the NFL. PETA picketed New York's Niketown store today.

In their letter, Sharpton and Simmons proclaim, "Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable ... Our battle must extend to those innocent animals who literally have no voice or choice."

There are reasons to like Al Sharpton. I love it when he rails on something I agree with him on.

 

[SadieMae]

There are reasons to like Al Sharpton. I love it when he rails on something I agree with him on.

This is my first time agreeing with him on anything!!! Imagine my shock when I read it. I thought the article would be about his usual race rant.

ETA: So apparently what Vick has done has nothing to do with race, it runs deeper than that. JMO

 

[panthera]

Hehe...well as far as being a Black athlete, I suppose Vick really screwed up with Black community. LOL...Even AL SHARPTON is speaking out against him!!!!! I find this amusing....Who would have ever thought he would be an advocate against "his own".

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/25/rev-al-goes-to-bat-for-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/

"Rev. Al Sharpton is going to the dogs ... and by dogs, of course, we mean .

Sharpton has turned his attention from celebrity news websites and is lending his voice to a crusade against ... dogfighting? Sharpton and hip-hop honcho Russell Simmons teamed up with PETA to send an open letter to all corporate sponsors of alleged dog fight creep Michael Vick, as well as to the Commissioner of the NFL. PETA picketed New York's Niketown store today.

In their letter, Sharpton and Simmons proclaim, "Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable ... Our battle must extend to those innocent animals who literally have no voice or choice."

Thanks for posting that! I'd heard he was condemning Vick but I didn't realize he'd actually contacted Vick's sponsors and the NFL. Bravo to Sharpton! :clap:

 

[Dark Knight]

Supporters/Protesters divided racially:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...slug=dw-vickhearing072607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[philamena]

How in the hell can the races be divided about this?
That's like saying white people love animals and black people hate them and use them only for fighting. It just isn't true.

I swear---this better not turn into another OJ case!:doh::banghead::banghead:

 

[Dark Knight]

How in the hell can the races be divided about this?
That's like saying white people love animals and black people hate them and use them only for fighting. It just isn't true.

I swear---this better not turn into another OJ case!:doh::banghead::banghead:

They aren't saying he isn't guilty, for the most part, they are saying don't convict him until he has had his right to defend himself in court during due process.

 

[calus_3]

They aren't saying he isn't guilty, for the most part, they are saying don't convict him until he has had his right to defend himself in court during due process.

Bulloney!

They are saying that no matter what a black person does, the justice system doesn't have the right to punish them. What they are saying is that each and every prosecution of a black man in America today is because a white or hispanic perp did the crime and the police just found the closest black man an d prosecuted him for it. The prisons are full of black intillectuals who were just walking down the street and were picked up while on their way to night classes or chess club.

There is nothing racial about this case. However the black community (by and large his only supporters) knows one simple fact. Anytime a black person is accused of anything...murder, drug peddling, dog fighting, etc....all they have to do is play the race card and it lends some mysterious air of reasonableness to the defense of the . Almost like it is the secret password that activates an entire class of jury zombies to vote not guilty. In most cases, there is a jury member with enough hatred in their heart for the white man that they will excuse any manner of action. It's the "well, he may have raped that white woman but white men have been raping black women for hundreds of years...I vote not guilty". It is really shameful.

I am sick of this nonsense. The black community as a whole (sure there are exceptions) but as a whole knows no bounds and has no shame. You take any majority black neighborhoods across America today (excepting the upper middle class) and this is the case.

I just saw a news story on Atlanta over the weekend. A white City Counselman had sent a letter to a (why he sent the letter, I don't know) warning him to stop selling drugs in his City and stay away from the City. Well, he was caught again selling crack and the Counselman told it like it was. He called the guy a and wished him to prison or the grave sooner rather than later in another letter. The piece of shi! mother was being interviewed on TV and said "I think this is racial". Hell, had it been my parents, the would have agreed with the City man. That's if they ever got over the shame long enough to be interviewed. The mother..of course..dismissed the son's crimes and didn't want to talk about THEM....she only wanted to talk about the letter she received. She didn't want to talk about the fact that her son's continued actions made the Counselman take action because he was fed up with the nonsense.

I am sorry, and I am sure I will be called a racist for my views, but until the black community stands up and decides that all this drugging, killing, ho'ing, single mothers, and self-imposed poverty is actually KILLING THEM, this will go on.

The black community wants to be a thorn in the side of whitey....that's why they chide their own members for acting "WHITE". What, in the black communities, do you have to do to act WHITE? Stay out of trouble, get a good education, live with a complete family, stay off drugs, dress in a reasonable manner, have a normalized American name, etc. Isn't it funny that in the black communities around the nation, crime is at an all time high, murder, drugs, prostitution, etc. Doesn't the black community understand that if they really want to STICK IT TO WHITEY that the best thing to do is be upwardly mobile? Live in their neighborhoods, play at their golf clubs, take their jobs. Not rob their neighborhoods, carry clubs at their golf course, or take their cars. Acting the fool only hurts THEM.

For those that want to call me a racist....well go ahead. I don't hate black people because they hold extra pigment in their skin any more than I hate Irish people for being too white. I hate their actions and I hate their attitudes and I hate their commonly held beliefs and I hate their behaviors. Nothing else. If I were the rabid KKK supporter that some of you will undoubtedly believe I am, I would have burned a cross in my neighbor's yard at my old house. He was black, well I suppose he still is. No, I met him and his family and welcomed them to the neighborhood. They were professionals and were very nice, great people. We talked a lot instead of mowing grass like we should have. We were good friends. However, up the street, some gangbanger type blacks moved in and the place went to hell. So we left. We didn't leave because a black man moved in...we left because a set of blacks who were intent on living the stereotype (thugging it up in the streets, refusing to move for cars, etc.) moved in. Again, not pigment...actions.

I was at a local Philly Connection with Shaniquia and Loquesha in front of me with a little boy. The boy was about 5 years old. The women were doing their damnest to be annoying to everyone in the place, acting a fool. Well, a cop came in behind me. Sadly, that little boy went and hid under the table. I thought that maybe he was playing. No, he was serious. Somewhere in that boy's life, he was taught that the police were there for nothing more than to drag poor innocent black people off to jail. I looked at the cop who shrugged his shoulders and I just shook my head. The mothers thought that this was the funniest thing in the world. Cultural warfare. Oh, the cop was black.

Again, it is not pigment...it is actions.

Cal

 

[Buzz Mills]

Vick co-defendant pleads guilty

NEW: Tony Taylor pleads guilty in Virginia dogfighting case

RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- One of the co-defendants in the Michael Vick federal dogfighting case entered a guilty plea on Monday and pledged to fully cooperate with prosecutors. Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Virginia, appeared in Richmond's federal court to change his plea under the plea bargain. He will be sentenced December 14. Taylor, along with Vick and two other co-defendants, had pleaded not guilty Thursday before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. The trial for all four defendants is scheduled for November 26.

In addition to Vick and Taylor, the other defendants are Purnell Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta. They were charged by a federal grand jury last week with organizing bloody and vicious dog fights on a piece of property that Vick bought in 2001. They also are accused of transporting and delivering dogs across state lines. The indictment says Taylor discovered the site that became the Bad Newz Kennels -- the staging area for housing and training the pit bulls and hosting dog fights.

Prosecutors also accuse Taylor of helping to buy pit bulldogs and puppies, and of executing at least two dogs "who did not perform well in 'testing' sessions ... by shooting one dog and electrocuting the other." If the men are convicted on both portions of the conspiracy charge, they each could be sentenced to up to six years in prison and fined $350,000, prosecutors said.

The indictment says dogs that didn't show enough fighting spirit or lost matches also were put to death by drowning and hanging. Prosecutors allege that on one occasion earlier this year, Vick participated in killing eight dogs.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/30/vick.dogfighting/