GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

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  • #341
...Again, it is not pigment...it is actions.

Cal

Cal - Thanks for taking the time to write this post. I totally agree with your assessment. BTW, my husband and I also know several black professionals, who are doctors, managers, etc. They are very nice individuals. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin as you say. We don't treat anyone different because of their heritage, religion or color of skin. We are all people.

I do feel sorry for blacks who are trying to succeed because they are pressured by their own community. Look at the vicious comments said about Colin Powell, one of the greatest leaders of our time, IMO. Every white person that I know greatly admires him.

Unfortunately, for the most part, I see that present day blacks are far more prejudiced than whites.
 
  • #342
Cal - Thanks for taking the time to write this post. I totally agree with your assessment. BTW, my husband and I also know several black professionals, who are doctors, managers, etc. They are very nice individuals. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin as you say. We don't treat anyone different because of their heritage, religion or color of skin. We are all people.

I do feel sorry for blacks who are trying to succeed because they are pressured by their own community. Look at the vicious comments said about Colin Powell, one of the greatest leaders of our time, IMO. Every white person that I know greatly admires him.

Unfortunately, for the most part, I see that present day blacks are far more prejudiced than whites.

Zactly....

On a personal note, I will give everyone a chance. Some prove worthy of being my friend or acquaintance. Many do not. Some, because of their manner of dress or personal mannerisms, have to try harder.

I would hate to belong to any society where doing things that are healthy and good for me is considered a bad thing. Education, bad. Marriage, bad. Staying in school, bad. Staying off drugs and/or not selling drugs, bad. Clean criminal record, bad. What a horrible way to live.

Cal
 
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NAACP leaders urged public restraint Monday in judging Michael Vick before he has his day in court.


R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback has been vilified by animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media and prematurely punished by his team and corporate sponsors.

"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."

Vick has pleaded not guilty to charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_naacp&printer=1


 
  • #345
Bulloney!

They are saying that no matter what a black person does, the justice system doesn't have the right to punish them. What they are saying is that each and every prosecution of a black man in America today is because a white or hispanic perp did the crime and the police just found the closest black man an d prosecuted him for it. The prisons are full of black intillectuals who were just walking down the street and were picked up while on their way to night classes or chess club.

There is nothing racial about this case. However the black community (by and large his only supporters) knows one simple fact. Anytime a black person is accused of anything...murder, drug peddling, dog fighting, etc....all they have to do is play the race card and it lends some mysterious air of reasonableness to the defense of the 🤬🤬🤬🤬. Almost like it is the secret password that activates an entire class of jury zombies to vote not guilty. In most cases, there is a jury member with enough hatred in their heart for the white man that they will excuse any manner of action. It's the "well, he may have raped that white woman but white men have been raping black women for hundreds of years...I vote not guilty". It is really shameful.

I am sick of this nonsense. The black community as a whole (sure there are exceptions) but as a whole knows no bounds and has no shame. You take any majority black neighborhoods across America today (excepting the upper middle class) and this is the case.

I just saw a news story on Atlanta over the weekend. A white City Counselman had sent a letter to a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 (why he sent the letter, I don't know) warning him to stop selling drugs in his City and stay away from the City. Well, he was caught again selling crack and the Counselman told it like it was. He called the guy a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and wished him to prison or the grave sooner rather than later in another letter. The piece of shi! mother was being interviewed on TV and said "I think this is racial". Hell, had it been my parents, the would have agreed with the City man. That's if they ever got over the shame long enough to be interviewed. The mother..of course..dismissed the son's crimes and didn't want to talk about THEM....she only wanted to talk about the letter she received. She didn't want to talk about the fact that her son's continued actions made the Counselman take action because he was fed up with the nonsense.

I am sorry, and I am sure I will be called a racist for my views, but until the black community stands up and decides that all this drugging, killing, ho'ing, single mothers, and self-imposed poverty is actually KILLING THEM, this will go on.

The black community wants to be a thorn in the side of whitey....that's why they chide their own members for acting "WHITE". What, in the black communities, do you have to do to act WHITE? Stay out of trouble, get a good education, live with a complete family, stay off drugs, dress in a reasonable manner, have a normalized American name, etc. Isn't it funny that in the black communities around the nation, crime is at an all time high, murder, drugs, prostitution, etc. Doesn't the black community understand that if they really want to STICK IT TO WHITEY that the best thing to do is be upwardly mobile? Live in their neighborhoods, play at their golf clubs, take their jobs. Not rob their neighborhoods, carry clubs at their golf course, or take their cars. Acting the fool only hurts THEM.

For those that want to call me a racist....well go ahead. I don't hate black people because they hold extra pigment in their skin any more than I hate Irish people for being too white. I hate their actions and I hate their attitudes and I hate their commonly held beliefs and I hate their behaviors. Nothing else. If I were the rabid KKK supporter that some of you will undoubtedly believe I am, I would have burned a cross in my neighbor's yard at my old house. He was black, well I suppose he still is. :D No, I met him and his family and welcomed them to the neighborhood. They were professionals and were very nice, great people. We talked a lot instead of mowing grass like we should have. We were good friends. However, up the street, some gangbanger type blacks moved in and the place went to hell. So we left. We didn't leave because a black man moved in...we left because a set of blacks who were intent on living the stereotype (thugging it up in the streets, refusing to move for cars, etc.) moved in. Again, not pigment...actions.

I was at a local Philly Connection with Shaniquia and Loquesha in front of me with a little boy. The boy was about 5 years old. The women were doing their damnest to be annoying to everyone in the place, acting a fool. Well, a cop came in behind me. Sadly, that little boy went and hid under the table. I thought that maybe he was playing. No, he was serious. Somewhere in that boy's life, he was taught that the police were there for nothing more than to drag poor innocent black people off to jail. I looked at the cop who shrugged his shoulders and I just shook my head. The mothers thought that this was the funniest thing in the world. Cultural warfare. Oh, the cop was black.

Again, it is not pigment...it is actions.

Cal
Ya know...so much truth in what you said Cal. Your remarks are not racist, IMO. They reflect what's going on in the urban areas. It's more cool to act "ignant" that to take the path to betterment. And hey, my Dad moved us to another neighborhood when Blacks moving in made it ghetto...and my Dad is Black!! He's from a long line of Blacks who were the first Black teachers in all white schools, the first Black engineer at Dow Corning, first Black city mayor, the first Black Doctor to intern at a hospital, FBI agent and the list goes on. He was in management at GM back in the EARLY '60's, and yes he was mistaken for a White man on the phone many times. All my relatives above held those positions BEFORE there was affirmative action. Yet he, my aunts & uncles, and other family grew up in inner city poverty in the "projects". My sis was the first minority female police sgt on her force, my brother one of the few top commanders in the Coast Guard. (Just retired after 31 years). There are no Shananae's, De'quavarius, Loquisha etc in my family names. :eek: I swear, some of the names I hear I think they were given a handful of scrabble tiles to make a name up! We were raised to value education as a way to a better life and achieving your dreams. My Dad was the only Black invited to join the yacht club...he always wanted a big boat from the time he was 7. His first was 30', the next a 65'. We learned by example the rewards of a good education, integrity and values. It has NOTHING to do with color.

Being "ghetto" is not a color, it's a lifestyle. Vick is a perfect example of a young Black man with way too much money. His money hasn't changed the fact he's still a 🤬🤬🤬🤬, with no "home training". He probably bought his mama a flashy Benz and a nice house....but I wouldn't live next door to her. He was taught nothing and he learned nothing.

I can understand the Black community taking a wait till it goes to court attitude...it's from past history. And there have been trials where whites were quick to judge (not including OJ) But, from what is known, Vick shouldn't stand a chance of walking away in the courts with a slap on the wrist. I'd be very disappointed because I am an animal lover. A lot of how this turns out is dependent on how good his attorney is.

So NO, Call...your post isn't racist & doesn't sound like a KKK rant. I see too.
 
  • #346
Who is to say these guys wont take the rap for vick? What if vick pays them off, they are going to jail either way. I dont know was just thinking about that and wanted to see what you guys think.
 
  • #347
Zactly....

On a personal note, I will give everyone a chance. Some prove worthy of being my friend or acquaintance. Many do not. Some, because of their manner of dress or personal mannerisms, have to try harder.

I would hate to belong to any society where doing things that are healthy and good for me is considered a bad thing. Education, bad. Marriage, bad. Staying in school, bad. Staying off drugs and/or not selling drugs, bad. Clean criminal record, bad. What a horrible way to live.

Cal
Exactly! My sons are 21 & 19. I pretty much raised them as a single parent. They have no tats, piercings, gangsta clothing, wear NO jewelry, do no drink or do drugs, no criminal/juvenile records, nothing to associate them with that 🤬🤬🤬🤬 lifestyle. Mainly because I won't put up with that sh*t!!!! The oldest works construction 40-60 hrs/week, the youngest will return for his junior year at UT for his engineering degree. I didn't find it hard to raise them to be good adults, it only took some effort on my part & to stay involved. And they know if they ever screw up when they know better...they'll get a beatdown from the WHOLE family, Aunts, Uncles, cousins....and God help 'em...GRANDMA!!!! :eek:
 
  • #348
Who is to say these guys wont take the rap for vick? What if vick pays them off, they are going to jail either way. I dont know was just thinking about that and wanted to see what you guys think.
I never thought of that happening!! I think if the dogs weren't on HIS property it's a possibility.
 
  • #349
Who is to say these guys wont take the rap for vick? What if vick pays them off, they are going to jail either way. I dont know was just thinking about that and wanted to see what you guys think.
That's a wait and see. Most aren't expecting that Vick will be allowed to play this year, and most don't think he will ever play for Atlanta again. The NAACP came out in his defense, and he had 200 black supporters demonstrating for him today. We continue to email the Falcons, and the NFL.

Tony Taylor is going to be under a lot of pressure from certain sections of the black community.
 
  • #350
snip...He was taught nothing and he learned nothing....snip

And left no good legacy behind him. The squandered opportunity, it's astounding...

Crypto6
 
  • #351
NAACP leaders urged public restraint Monday in judging Michael Vick before he has his day in court.


R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback has been vilified by animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media and prematurely punished by his team and corporate sponsors.

"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."

Vick has pleaded not guilty to charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_naacp&printer=1



Are you kidding me?!?!?! :razz::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Maybe just maybe the NAACP should teach blacks to confess when they do wrong and teach them to accept the consequences of their wrong doing.

I smell another OJ type trial coming.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain that saw the pictures of Vick's home, the dog houses, and the fighting pit, know damn good and well HE's into this up to his eyebrows. I hope he's blackballed from sports of all kinds.
 
  • #352
Are you kidding me?!?!?! :razz::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Maybe just maybe the NAACP should teach blacks to confess when they do wrong and teach them to accept the consequences of their wrong doing.

I smell another OJ type trial coming.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain that saw the pictures of Vick's home, the dog houses, and the fighting pit, know damn good and well HE's into this up to his eyebrows. I hope he's blackballed from sports of all kinds.


Agree, I also see another OJ trial coming. Just wondering...were these people outside the courthouse protesting for the Duke Lacrosse players as well? Demanding that due process happen before judging?

prediction #1 - the jury is more than half black

prediction #2 - Michael Vick is found not guilty


Yep don't get your hopes up guys. Look for Vick to thumb his nose at everybody as he walks outta the courthouse a free man after the verdict.
 
  • #353
NAACP leaders urged public restraint Monday in judging Michael Vick before he has his day in court.


R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback has been vilified by animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media and prematurely punished by his team and corporate sponsors.

"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."

Vick has pleaded not guilty to charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_naacp&printer=1
"Be restrained in my premature judgment?" GMAB!! If we and animal rights organizations don't speak out now this barbaric treatment of these poor dogs will never end. Vick and his cohorts have been indicted by the Federal govt. ~ that's enough for me to believe he's guilty especially after having seen the photos from his property! :furious:
 
  • #354
Agree, I also see another OJ trial coming. Just wondering...were these people outside the courthouse protesting for the Duke Lacrosse players as well? Demanding that due process happen before judging?

prediction #1 - the jury is more than half black

prediction #2 - Michael Vick is found not guilty


Yep don't get your hopes up guys. Look for Vick to thumb his nose at everybody as he walks outta the courthouse a free man after the verdict.
I just hope the Feds do a better job in voir dire for the jury selection than the LA prosecutors office did in OJ trial. And pray there is no Judge Ito too! :banghead:
 
  • #355
Are you kidding me?!?!?! :razz::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Maybe just maybe the NAACP should teach blacks to confess when they do wrong and teach them to accept the consequences of their wrong doing.

I smell another OJ type trial coming.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain that saw the pictures of Vick's home, the dog houses, and the fighting pit, know damn good and well HE's into this up to his eyebrows. I hope he's blackballed from sports of all kinds.
Well there are a lot of White defendants that don't confess to their wrong doings either when they're caught dead to the wrong...it's got nothing to do with making Blacks "confess". I wish people would stop throwing race into this. :banghead:

ETA: Did Darlie confess? Did Pat Ramsey confess? Did Scott Peterson confess? Did the 2 scumbags that killed Dr Petit's family confess?

Snip from post: "If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treatednow is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."
Their request doesn't sound unreasonable. Everyone is ENTITLED to due process whether we agree with it or not. Even the lowlife b*tches that kill their babies.
 
  • #356
....I would hate to belong to any society where doing things that are healthy and good for me is considered a bad thing. Education, bad. Marriage, bad. Staying in school, bad. Staying off drugs and/or not selling drugs, bad. Clean criminal record, bad. What a horrible way to live.

Cal
Nice rant Cal. It's the culture that is the problem, not the color of most of those promoting it (this ghetto culture is embraced by people of all skin colors). Vick is quite the example of it - and the example of success for people of that culture - become a superstar! An unrealistic goal that can't work for more than a scant few hundred a year - the rest of which lose out because they never look to any real job that they have a real chance of.
 
  • #357
Well there are a lot of White defendants that don't confess to their wrong doings either when they're caught dead to the wrong...it's got nothing to do with making Blacks "confess". I wish people would stop throwing race into this. :banghead:

ETA: Did Darlie confess? Did Pat Ramsey confess? Did Scott Peterson confess?
I totally agree with you SadieMae ~ race has nothing to do with this case! It is about a professional athlete in the NFL who has been indicted by the Federal govt. on dogfighting charges. Most murder suspects, of course including the ones you mentioned, don't confess to the crimes they're charged with no matter what race they are unless they're a serial killer who is trying to make himself notorious.
 
  • #358
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
"Be restrained in my premature judgment?" GMAB!! If we and animal rights organizations don't speak out now this barbaric treatment of these poor dogs will never end. Vick and his cohorts have been indicted by the Federal govt. ~ that's enough for me to believe he's guilty especially after having seen the photos from his property! :furious:
 
  • #359
Well there are a lot of White defendants that don't confess to their wrong doings either when they're caught dead to the wrong...it's got nothing to do with making Blacks "confess". I wish people would stop throwing race into this. :banghead:

ETA: Did Darlie confess? Did Pat Ramsey confess? Did Scott Peterson confess? Did the 2 scumbags that killed Dr Petit's family confess?

Snip from post: "If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treatednow is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."
Their request doesn't sound unreasonable. Everyone is ENTITLED to due process whether we agree with it or not. Even the lowlife b*tches that kill their babies.
You are the best!!! I too wish people would get over race.
 
  • #360
I think if Vick were white this thread would only have 1/4 of the posts, and they would be about what a horrible person he is to torture and abuse animals. Some are making it a race thing because he is Black.
 
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