GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

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  • #901
I keep trying to understand the dynamic going on here but I am, admittedly, struggling. I think it may come down to the fact that we see so many cases of children that are horribly beaten, sexually abused or forced to live in unimaginable conditions that it makes it easier to justify or overlook "a little neglect".


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  • #902
Noah Thomas: Outgoing boy with innocent smile remembered during service
Cameron Austin, The Roanoke Times, Wed., April 1, '15 5:06 pm

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"If anyone has any question today as to where Noah is, just look up at the sky," Akers said.

As people filed out of the service, they looked up — There was not a single cloud. Just Noah's favorite color, bright blue.


Community pays respect at 5-year-old Noah Thomas' funeral
WJLH,Apr 01, '15 1:00 pm edt

Investigation Continues
WSLS/WVVA video clip


Community mourns, pays respects to Noah Thomas
Alison Parker reports WDBJ7, 1:40 pm edt Apr 1, '15, about a deeply touched community coping through young Noah's tragic loss.

https://www.facebook.com/wjhlTV11/p...73663.315783721820994/784869791579049/?type=1

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  • #903
I keep trying to understand the dynamic going on here but I am, admittedly, struggling. I think it may come down to the fact that we see so many cases of children that are horribly beaten, sexually abused or forced to live in unimaginable conditions that it makes it easier to justify or overlook "a little neglect".


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Agreed, not all neglected children are starved or beaten regularly.
 
  • #904
I think I'm missing something.

Why would law enforcement form a ring to keep people inside a funeral home?

I was just wondering, with LE saying they are waiting for results of tests before announcing how Noah died, if they had any suspicions about anyone and if anyone was, perhaps, under surveillance at this time? I know that often police attend funerals of murder victims purely to see exactly who turns up, and how people act when they are there, so I just wondered if there was anyone at the funeral who police might suspect to be involved, so need to ensure they know where they are at all times. Was just a question.
 
  • #905
I have come to understand more and more why parents are reluctant to speak out in the media. And speaking out wouldn't accomplish anything anyway. I can only remember one case ever where the pleas of a parent got their child returned home alive. I believe that case was in Canada iirc. Most children who go missing wind up being murdered in less than 3 hours after they have been missing. Everyone knew Noah was missing and LE had to turn away some because so many offered to search. So the parents knew everyone was looking for Noah.

Even Jessica Ridgeways mother did not speak to the press until five days later. She was a very shy woman imo and it was hard for the camera to be in her face and have to talk about her beautiful murdered daughter knowing the whole country was listening. And even then after speaking out that one time she was accused of having crocodile tears. In fact I don't know of one case where the parents were supported by the internet masses. Not one. And in those cases people wanted the parent or parents to speak out only because they were convinced they were already guilty of harming their child. And after they did finally speak then they were more convinced than ever they were guilty as sin even though in the end many of them were not. The majority of internet commenters seem to find fault with everything they did from 'they looked guilty' 'they showed no emotion' 'they looked down while talking' 'they cried fake tears' 'they didn't cry enough' 'they were hiding something', etc. If these parents had spoken out they wouldn't have been spared either nor believed. IMO

So I think there will be less and less parents willing to speak with the press in the future. Not because of the press but because of the non-stop 24/7 social media sites that makes thousands of negative comments about them....starting immediately and never letting up. That is why FB is known to be filled with hate filled trolls. Thank goodness here there is respect and dignity and rules to follow. When there are no rules in play the worst imaginable things are said without accountability.

And what is sad is it is people who don't even know the parents personally whatsoever that seem the most judgmental imo. Usually the people that know the parents very well and live in the same town are very supportive and they do it by actions rather than comments.

Mark Lunsford told Nancy Grace one time that losing his daughter was the most hurtful thing he had to endure but the second most hurtful thing was reading what people were saying about him and his parents on the internet who didn't even know any of them.

I remember how Marlene Lamar was torn to shreds by the internet naysayers when she continued to speak out about her daughter. The accusations were horrible and absolutely not true. She was even accused as being in cahoots with her boyfriend of harming Sierra.:( Its very sad to see things like this happen over and over again when so many parents needed total support when they were in this situation.

People are individuals. I can understand if the parents are too emotional to speak or are timid and scared that their words will be twisted into meaning something they didn't say. Not everyone is cutout to talk in front of the media.

Not talking with the press doesn't show me that either of them are guilty.
Excellent post! I hope people take the time to read it and let it soak in for a minute. It is very insightful and enlightening when it comes to these cases. A lot of people haven't followed other cases and watched the media circus erupt around innocent families to have their hearts' ripped out yet again. So many have been re-victimized because some people are quick to judge and prefer to act like vigilantes. It is a sad world when parents are targeted without just cause after losing their beloved child because people don't understand them.
 
  • #906
In Virginia, where there is no minimum age to leave a child "home alone", one of the factors to be considered is accessibility of a responsible adult. Can someone be reached by phone, is there a next door neighbor, etc. (Yes, there are other factors, too, including maturity, safe environment, etc), but as to whether a parent sleeping in the home is the same as a child being left entirely alone, in this situation, there was an adult accessible to Noah.

I am not arguing one way or the other whether that is a mistake or negligence. Just raising the point for consideration.
 
  • #907
I keep trying to understand the dynamic going on here but I am, admittedly, struggling. I think it may come down to the fact that we see so many cases of children that are horribly beaten, sexually abused or forced to live in unimaginable conditions that it makes it easier to justify or overlook "a little neglect".


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Respectfully BBM

OR we see or hear about so many cases like those described above, that we are quick to judge other mothers as neglectful.
 
  • #908
There but for the grace of God go I and most other parents, whether they admit it or not. Fortunately, I managed to raise all of mine, but even so, one wandered off (and I was right there in the kitchen); another didn't come home from school on the bus, and I didn't know it until later 'cause I was taking a DEEP nap - yes, Virginia, mothers CAN sleep deeply when they're tired; two fell out of trees while I was in the house doing dishes; and there were cuts and bruises and burns, and fights, and . . .

There but for the grace of God go a great many of us, in my humble opinion.
 
  • #909
How many cases do you know of parents that were sleeping and their kids disappeared from their own closed house'

There was one in Feb of this year, 3 year old Boy in Toronto. He was put to bed at 9.30pm and at 7.30am he was gone. CCTV showed him leave the home at 4am by his little self. He was found 6 hours later but he had sadly perished in the cold.
 
  • #910
There is a fairly popular mommy/lifestyle blogger that recently adopted a child from China. When they first got A she would purse her lips to avoid smiling and the result was that same adorable look that Noah had. A has the biggest smile now but I think I will always think of Noah every time that I see pics of A.


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A has done beautifully. It is an awesome thing to watch. You and I must read a lot of the same stuff.
 
  • #911
There but for the grace of God go I and most other parents, whether they admit it or not. Fortunately, I managed to raise all of mine, but even so, one wandered off (and I was right there in the kitchen); another didn't come home from school on the bus, and I didn't know it until later 'cause I was taking a DEEP nap - yes, Virginia, mothers CAN sleep deeply when they're tired; two fell out of trees while I was in the house doing dishes; and there were cuts and bruises and burns, and fights, and . . .

There but for the grace of God go a great many of us, in my humble opinion.

I had one that didn't come home because HE fell asleep on the bus and the driver took it home and parked it without doing a check of the seats. B was 5 and I've never been so terrified.


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It is heart wrenching. I just want to hug him and never let go.
 
  • #914
A has done beautifully. It is an awesome thing to watch. You and I must read a lot of the same stuff.

Whew, I'm glad that someone else knows what I'm talking about. I'm amazed at how well she has done. That is one adored little girl. Every time that I see a pic I just want to scoop her up.


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I've got a question about the Sheriff's message.

He says "..... at the appropriate time, when it would not otherwise jeopardize this investigation, we will make a formal statement on the findings"

If this is an accidental death, how on earth can an accident investigation be jeopardized by making a statement? If it is an accident, nothing can be changed by information being released.

Am I reading too much into his words, or is he saying that this is a criminal investigation and as such, it would harm it to say any more now?
 
  • #917
I think Noahs death will be ruled accidental....for whatever reason....and, the septic tank people will be blamed, sued, etc. Parents will move on, maybe with a big settlement, and all will be back to normal. Except that Noah is dead....at the age of 5....

Even, if by some strange twist, the mom is held responsible for neglect or even causing Noahs death.....dumped him in the septic tank, etc......she won't be held responsible. PPD will be blamed.
 
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I think Noahs death will be ruled accidental....for whatever reason....and, the septic tank people will be blamed, sued, etc. Parents will move on, maybe with a big settlement, and all will be back to normal. Except that Noah is dead....at the age of 5....

Even, if by some strange twist, the mom is held responsible for neglect or even causing Noahs death.....dumped him in the septic tank, etc......she won't be held responsible. PPD will be blamed.

And............I tend to agree with everything you have posted.
 
  • #920
I have come to understand more and more why parents are reluctant to speak out in the media. {respectfully snipped for brevity} Not everyone is cutout to talk in front of the media.

Not talking with the press doesn't show me that either of them are guilty.

Thank you so much for this post. It has been so hard to read people's posts saying there is nothing that could keep them from speaking up if it were their child.

My own mother is so painfully shy that I could see her completely not communicating to the press at all. I think the idea would cripple her. She is just very introverted.

There are a lot of people here who are clearly comfortable expressing their opinions, their passions, their position. They find words come easily. Some people just *don't* have that capability. Not for lack of care or intelligence, but just the way they are wired.
 
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