Found Deceased VA - Noah Tomlin, 2, Hampton, 24 June 2019 *ARREST*

[mickey2942]

Totally 100% Agree with you in this.. Some ppl are natural born killers or at least have it ingrained in them by picking up a personality disorder early in their formative years. But also drugs can be responsible in some cases, IMO. Because drugs mess with our brain's and because they mess with our brain's they mess with our ability to make good decisions and in some cases stay lucid. This in itself could end up leading to a child's death.

I would rather fund alternatives for pregnant drug addicts, than mandatory substance abuse treatment.

When I worked at a substance abuse treatment center for women, it was the last step before prison or losing their kids. It was court ordered treatment. The efficacy of the treatment was so dismal, I didn't even want to report the statistics of relapse, death, and prison or ongoing involvement with CPS. Based on the six years that I worked there, I concluded that court ordered substance abuse treatment is completely worthless.

 

[kgreg2529]

Where are the children's rights? I'm so sick of hearing about a drug-addicted, abusive woman's reproductive rights when they have child after child while on drugs, and then go on to abuse or kill them. Their reproductive rights end the moment they kill their own child. What about that child's right to exist?

If a woman really loves their child, they won't do drugs while the child is in utero and they won't abuse and kill them after their born! And if a man is the one abusing and killing infants (even step-children), he needs to be sterilized, too!

The only thing that will stop this is when we start caring more about the rights of victims than the rights of the perpetrators. We are allowing the murder of our nation's children by being so concerned about a woman and her right to reproduce. What the hell? Reproduce for what? More government handouts? It's obvious she's not doing it because she loves and wants children. It's more like she and the father can't bother using birth control, even a condom. A lot of these drug-addict mothers sell themselves for sex to get their drugs. That's where a lot of these poor babies come from. If you're an addict and have 10 children, YOU DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM. For a drug addict, children are an unwanted result of indiscriminate sex.

I know this post isn't PC, and I don't give a damn. PC is what has gotten us into this mess to begin with.

Have you ever tried to educate a child born on crack? Have you had your heart broken while they drool and have trouble learning the most basic concepts, knowing they will never be able to have an independent life? Have you watched newborns scream and cry in withdrawal at a hospital, knowing their life started as a living hell?

What about that woman who abandoned EIGHT crack-addicted babies at different times in the Chicago area? EIGHT children left for the state to care for, EIGHT precious lives that were affected by a mother who didn't want them and only had them as a consequence of selling herself for drugs. A judge tried to order her on birth control. The ACLU stepped in and said it was against her reproductive rights. What the hell? HER reproductive rights?!! She has none! She abandoned eight babies over a span of time! What is wrong with us as a society that we care more about her ability to make eight MORE crack babies than the right of any baby to be drug-free and non-handicapped by an uncaring womb and sperm donor?

Have you lived with the results of Shaken Baby Syndrome? Have you cared for a boy who was perfect at birth but by age two was blind, couldn't speak or swallow and confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life because of the abuse his mother and boyfriend did to him? He was nothing but a thing to torment, but he and his brother were returned to her again and again, until he was kicked down outside apartment stairs like a football. He spent two and half years in the hospital because his injuries were so bad. And his mother and boyfriend had been sexually abusing the older brother. Oh, let's not take away HER reproductive rights!

Protecting unwanted and abused children from being born to drug addicts and abusers is NOT eugenics! It is protecting those who cannot protect themselves. It is caring for those who cannot care for themselves.

If a woman or a man cannot or will not properly care for any child they have, then they forfeit the right to have any more children they cannot or will not care for. It's about time someone spoke up for the children and quit giving abusers and killers excuses to have more victims at their disposal.

WE have to be the voice for these children. And we have to stand up and say it is wrong for any man or woman to keep having children, only to abuse and kill them. No more excuses. No more murdered children. No more Noahs.

This is one of the best things I have ever read. Thank you for saying it.

 

[borndem]

DBM? I'm not too sure what that means.. Unless you're meaning "Don't bother me." If that's what you meant... I'm sorry if I offended you in some way, and okay I will respect your wishes. If it does indeed mean something totally different here, then I'll have to ask you to please clue me in.. Lol

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[JDough]

But they didn't step up and care or protect ALL the children because one of those children is now dead. No one has been charged with Noah's murder nor has either parent been cleared by LE.

JMO

Respectfully; we don't know that she did not try.

She did indeed fight to gain custody of 3 of Noah's older siblings. She may very well have tried doing the same for Noah.

She does not deserve the blame for Noah's death or disposal. A mother who continually failed to properly care for her children does.

 

[MyBelle]

Respectfully; we don't know that she did not try.

She did indeed fight to gain custody of 3 of Noah's older siblings. She may very well have tried doing the same for Noah.

She does not deserve the blame for Noah's death or disposal. A mother who continually failed to properly care for her children does.

I'm not blaming the grandmother for Noah's death but the grandmother is publicly blaming JT even though JT has not been charged with murder.

LE haven't named any suspects or POI's in Noah's death. Nor have they cleared either parent. A grandparent who uses social media to make public accusations and disparaging remarks about a parent is going to get scrutinized by LE.

JMO

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[Momof4RN]

I'm not blaming the grandmother for Noah's death but the grandmother is publicly blaming JT even though JT has not been charged with murder.

LE haven't named any suspects or POI's in Noah's death. Nor have they cleared either parent. A grandparent who uses social media to make public accusations and disparaging remarks about a parent is going to get scrutinized by LE.

JMO

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I’m reading her statement way different than you. I am reading her statement more as a plea to the public to be aware that there are other children involved and asking the public to be sensitive to what they may be reading. In addition she is thanking those in the public who are supporting them through various means. She never comes out and accuses JT of murder. She does state the children are aware their brother “died at the hands of their mother”. But JT has been arrested and charged with three counts of felony neglect in connection to Noah’s disappearance. So yes we all know that whatever happened directly or indirectly was a result of this neglect and therefore at the hands of his mother. She also at no time defends her son or indicates he had no involvement. The only people I hear her defending are the children. And lastly she could very well have said more as she indicates she knows way more but chose not to. So we will all have to wait to see what that “more” is and hopefully that will be sooner rather than later. MOO

 

[Leader6518]

Exactly. And I am not advocating that "drug addicts are "good parents"". But I have seen drug addicts that don't abuse their kids. It is too easy to just agree that drug addiction is the problem, everyone nod their head.

It is easier than acknowledging that some people should not be parents, and can never be fixed or cured. It is an ingrained personality disorder.

I would like to add that more programs for drug addicts is often a waste of time and money. Unless the addict has displayed a desire to clean up when they are not in front of a judge facing jail time it is a waste. Drug rehabilitation just prolongs the inevitable for young children. Once a child has reached 5 it is much harder to undo the damage.
In my state, if a baby is born with drugs in its system parental rights are immediately terminated. That parent never gets to take the child home.

We hear of animal abusers being on a list so they never can get another animal. The same principle should apply to drugged out broodmares who have had a child removed for abuse or neglect. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I’m reading her statement way different than you. I am reading her statement more as a plea to the public to be aware that there are other children involved and asking the public to be sensitive to what they may be reading. In addition she is thanking those in the public who are supporting them through various means. She never comes out and accuses JT of murder. She does state the children are aware their brother “died at the hands of their mother”. But JT has been arrested and charged with three counts of felony neglect in connection to Noah’s disappearance. So yes we all know that whatever happened directly or indirectly was a result of this neglect and therefore at the hands of his mother. She also at no time defends her son or indicates he had no involvement. The only people I hear her defending are the children. And lastly she could very well have said more as she indicates she knows way more but chose not to. So we will all have to wait to see what that “more” is and hopefully that will be sooner rather than later. MOO

Being charged with felony neglect and being charged with murder are two completely different things. The felony neglect could be because of conditions found in the home such as no food or lack of sanitary conditions.

We don't know Noah's cause of death or who LE believed killed him. LE has not cleared either parent. I'm willing to wait to hear more facts from LE. I also want to hear why CPS didn't monitor the situation more closely. Instead of allowing the children to monitor social media, the children should be shielded from it which is what is happening in the Dulos case.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I would like to add that more programs for drug addicts is often a waste of time and money. Unless the addict has displayed a desire to clean up when they are not in front of a judge facing jail time it is a waste. Drug rehabilitation just prolongs the inevitable for young children. Once a child has reached 5 it is much harder to undo the damage.
In my state, if a baby is born with drugs in its system parental rights are immediately terminated. That parent never gets to take the child home.

We hear of animal abusers being on a list so they never can get another animal. The same principle should apply to drugged out broodmares who have had a child removed for abuse or neglect. JMO

The problem with this case is we don't know if Noah was born with drugs in his system. I do agree that drugs at birth should result in immediate termination of parental rights. The reunification-n0-matter-what policies should be dumped.

JMO

 

[Momof4RN]

Being charged with felony neglect and being charged with murder are two completely different things. The felony neglect could be because of conditions found in the home such as no food or lack of sanitary conditions.

We don't know Noah's cause of death or who LE believed killed him. LE has not cleared either parent. I'm willing to wait to hear more facts from LE. I also want to hear why CPS didn't monitor the situation more closely. Instead of allowing the children to monitor social media, the children should be shielded from it which is what is happening in the Dulos case.

JMO

Police chief Terry Sult said at a news conference late Friday evening that authorities “believe Noah to be deceased,” and that his mother, Julia Tomlin, is responsible.

Mother charged in death of missing 2-year-old Virginia boy

 

[MyBelle]

Police chief Terry Sult said at a news conference late Friday evening that authorities “believe Noah to be deceased,” and that his mother, Julia Tomlin, is responsible.

Mother charged in death of missing 2-year-old Virginia boy

Your link is before Noah's body had been found.

The Chief said they believe the mother was responsible for Noah's disappearance. I'm pretty sure that is because Noah disappeared while in her care. I'm willing to wait for more evidence and allow for due process before I convict her in the court of public opinion.

JMO

 

[katielou12]

Literally disposed of like a useless piece of garbage
You deserved better, Noah. Your life mattered.

absolutely. Mixed emotions here, sad and heartbroken that the story had to end this way, but glad that he can now be laid to rest. Noah deserved much better. RIP.

 

[lonetraveler]

Where are the children's rights? I'm so sick of hearing about a drug-addicted, abusive woman's reproductive rights when they have child after child while on drugs, and then go on to abuse or kill them. Their reproductive rights end the moment they kill their own child. What about that child's right to exist?

If a woman really loves their child, they won't do drugs while the child is in utero and they won't abuse and kill them after their born! And if a man is the one abusing and killing infants (even step-children), he needs to be sterilized, too!

The only thing that will stop this is when we start caring more about the rights of victims than the rights of the perpetrators. We are allowing the murder of our nation's children by being so concerned about a woman and her right to reproduce. What the hell? Reproduce for what? More government handouts? It's obvious she's not doing it because she loves and wants children. It's more like she and the father can't bother using birth control, even a condom. A lot of these drug-addict mothers sell themselves for sex to get their drugs. That's where a lot of these poor babies come from. If you're an addict and have 10 children, YOU DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM. For a drug addict, children are an unwanted result of indiscriminate sex.

I know this post isn't PC, and I don't give a damn. PC is what has gotten us into this mess to begin with.

Have you ever tried to educate a child born on crack? Have you had your heart broken while they drool and have trouble learning the most basic concepts, knowing they will never be able to have an independent life? Have you watched newborns scream and cry in withdrawal at a hospital, knowing their life started as a living hell?

What about that woman who abandoned EIGHT crack-addicted babies at different times in the Chicago area? EIGHT children left for the state to care for, EIGHT precious lives that were affected by a mother who didn't want them and only had them as a consequence of selling herself for drugs. A judge tried to order her on birth control. The ACLU stepped in and said it was against her reproductive rights. What the hell? HER reproductive rights?!! She has none! She abandoned eight babies over a span of time! What is wrong with us as a society that we care more about her ability to make eight MORE crack babies than the right of any baby to be drug-free and non-handicapped by an uncaring womb and sperm donor?

Have you lived with the results of Shaken Baby Syndrome? Have you cared for a boy who was perfect at birth but by age two was blind, couldn't speak or swallow and confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life because of the abuse his mother and boyfriend did to him? He was nothing but a thing to torment, but he and his brother were returned to her again and again, until he was kicked down outside apartment stairs like a football. He spent two and half years in the hospital because his injuries were so bad. And his mother and boyfriend had been sexually abusing the older brother. Oh, let's not take away HER reproductive rights!

Protecting unwanted and abused children from being born to drug addicts and abusers is NOT eugenics! It is protecting those who cannot protect themselves. It is caring for those who cannot care for themselves.

If a woman or a man cannot or will not properly care for any child they have, then they forfeit the right to have any more children they cannot or will not care for. It's about time someone spoke up for the children and quit giving abusers and killers excuses to have more victims at their disposal.

WE have to be the voice for these children. And we have to stand up and say it is wrong for any man or woman to keep having children, only to abuse and kill them. No more excuses. No more murdered children. No more Noahs.

So very well stated and mirrors my own thoughts on this matter. I support your post 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lonetraveler]

And I know we both could say so much more.

I had a foster sister whose mother had child after child and farmed them out to any family member or person who would have them. You know what that does to a child's psyche? To be abandoned by their own mother? It doesn't matter how much the people in their lives love them, they will always feel the loss of the mother-love they never had.

It is not only just physical abuse but also emotional and psychological abuse that is inflicted on these children. Oh, but lets ignore the damage done to the children and focus on how the mother and sperm donor have the right to make more children to damage.

NO ONE has the right to keep reproducing their own victims just because they can.

Until we stand up for the rights of our children, we will keep finding them thrown away in garbage dumps.

BBM: YESSSSSSSSSS

 

[Leader6518]

I don't know. I have worked with many of these women, some who have had 9, 10 kids, they don't work, they go from one guy to another, many of their children end up in foster care, they are usually involved in taking drugs, and yet, they are oblivious to reality.

I guess that they like the attention of being pregnant, or they think that the baby will fill some sort of void in their lives. The baby loses appeal when it doesn't listen or act like their "fantasy baby".

It seems like their parents step up for the first few kids that they throw away. Then, the Mom has more, still seeking that perfect life. It doesn't happen, and of course, it is THE BABY'S fault! So, they abuse the baby.

I’m not sure there is any conscience decisions after the first baby. I think it is no thought to the consequences of doing whatever they want at any given moment.

 

[Leader6518]

DBM? I'm not too sure what that means.. Unless you're meaning "Don't bother me." If that's what you meant... I'm sorry if I offended you in some way, and okay I will respect your wishes. If it does indeed mean something totally different here, then I'll have to ask you to please clue me in.. Lol

It means deleted by me. After posting, I read many others had already expressed the same response. You are good.

 

[mickey2942]

As a former Special Education teacher, I can state that fully half (if not more) of the students who are in Special Education are disabled because of the actions of abuse. Shaken Baby Syndrome, usually ends up with detached retinas, traumatic brain injury, so many files of children are filled with medical records that directly linked their disability to abuse or fetal affects from being exposed to drugs or alcohol.

I guess that "Shaken Baby Syndrome" is one that really gets me. A perfect baby, made permanently disabled by abuse.

Think of the forward thinking about the savings in Special Education programs, if there was more proactive work to end children being abused. Rather than the reactive process, that costs so much, not only in money, but society and children who were disabled by their caregivers.

 

[foleybrau]

When I made the thread for Noah, I hoped that it'd be a different outcome than this. RIP sweet boy - you deserved much more than this.

When is CPS going to step up and help the KIDS instead of being 'politically correct, following the guidelines, keeping mothers with their children' oriented!?! I'm sick of it. I'm sick of these threads where the parent(s) had every opportunity to turn things around, where people could have intervened, and still a child suffered because there wasn't 'enough' to pull them. A sap story of a child being burned from a hot stove over their entire body should have been the line drawn in the sand where those children were given to people who would actually love them.

Agree 100% - the government doesn't really care about your children.

 

[Momof4RN]

Being charged with felony neglect and being charged with murder are two completely different things. The felony neglect could be because of conditions found in the home such as no food or lack of sanitary conditions.

We don't know Noah's cause of death or who LE believed killed him. LE has not cleared either parent. I'm willing to wait to hear more facts from LE. I also want to hear why CPS didn't monitor the situation more closely. Instead of allowing the children to monitor social media, the children should be shielded from it which is what is happening in the Dulos case.

JMO

Yes shielding children from social media would be a good option. However, anyone who has teenagers know that’s not always an easy task. You can remove their cell phones but then they see it as punishment and a disconnect from their life line. And at this time the ones they likely feel they need most and want to talk to most are their friends. And then you can remove the apps and shut down the accounts but then they find a way often times using their friends accounts to access it. JMO

 

[cass523]

DBM? I'm not too sure what that means.. Unless you're meaning "Don't bother me." If that's what you meant... I'm sorry if I offended you in some way, and okay I will respect your wishes. If it does indeed mean something totally different here, then I'll have to ask you to please clue me in.. Lol

Here is the list of the other abbreviations,"Websleuths Lingo," if you ever need to look one up.

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