VA VA - The Colonial Parkway Murders, 1986-89

  • #361
Ricky Beard and Mary Leonard's 1979 case has me wondering if they may have been early victims of the CPK. After all their bodies were located in a field adjacent to a National Park. Apparently meth and marijuana was found in Ricky's car when it was located shortly after they disappeared. Did they get pulled over by a ranger who was working at Cuyahoga NP? Did that ranger have fuzzy hair as was described by a possible witness?

40 years ago today, Akron teens on date vanished

Bill, you may be the person in the best position to locate any familiar names in the following list of all the national park service employees working at Cuyahoga in 1979.
The names start on page 481 of the report:

http://npshistory.com/publications/cuva/adhi.pdf
 
  • #362
MissPDottie:

Great observations. Would love to talk with you further offline. I don't check in here as often as I should.

You can also reach me through our "Colonial Parkway Murders" Facebook group:

Colonial Parkway Murders

Thanks. Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #363
Referring back to my pevious post:

Do the military installations near the Parkway maintain past records of all vehicles driven by employees - including someone who might drive a decomissioned park ranger's car?

What about cameras at the military installations? I realize we're talking 1986 here but it is possible something like cameras existed back then for security purposes.
 
  • #364
Another podcaster picks it up. An hour and a half, which is unusually long for this podcaster, is not really enough to cover the detail. Nonetheless, it keeps the spotlight on these murders. Micheal Whelan's "Unresolved"":
The Colonial Parkway Murders — Unresolved
 
  • #365

The victims of the Colonial Parkway Killer.

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  • #366

The victims of the Colonial Parkway Killer.

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Richard:

Thanks so much.



Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #367
I don’t have much to add beyond this crime spree fascinates and horrifies me in a way that is difficult to describe. I really feel like this series of murders can be solved; that somewhere in the evidence is a key, and someone out there knows how to turn it. There has to be someone with knowledge that can clarify or open up these murders and help find the killer. Someone knows something. There is an answer somewhere. I truly believe this. The families deserve the truth.
 
  • #368

David Lee Knobling, 20 and Robin Margaret Edwards, 14
both of Newport News Key, Virginia

Last seen alive on 20 September 1987. Bodies found near the James River on 23 September 1987.

Case Details: The pair had gone on a date to Ragged Island Wildlife Refuge in Isle of Wight County. Both were shot in the back of the head. No signs of a struggle. His pickup was found in the refuge parking lot with the keys in the ignition, windshield wipers on, the radio playing and his wallet on the seat.

LINK:

Unsolved slayings in Virginia
 
  • #369
Richard:

Thanks so much.



Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
I don’t have much to add beyond this crime spree fascinates and horrifies me in a way that is difficult to describe. I really feel like this series of murders can be solved; that somewhere in the evidence is a key, and someone out there knows how to turn it. There has to be someone with knowledge that can clarify or open up these murders and help find the killer. Someone knows something. There is an answer somewhere. I truly believe this. The families deserve the truth.

Bear:

Thanks so much.

We are still working on it.


Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #370
I know the murder case of Julianne Williams and Lollie Winans has been associated with the Colonial Parkway Murders - but has it ever been considered that Cathy and Becky were not the first victims of the person(s) who killed them?

The reason I bring this up as it may explain why the killer tried to burn Cathy's car using the diesel fuel. Had the CPK used gas previously to burn the vehicle of another victim?

The murder case of Karen Lynn Noble and Jeffrey Lee Scott in WV fascinate me because in some ways their murders were similar to those of the CPK murder victims. In the first case of Cathy and Becky, Cathy's car was attempted to be burned. Someone shot David Knobling and Robin Edwards. Jeff's Datsun truck was found soaked in gasoline, and set on fire.

‘Age of innocence’ lost
 
  • #371
I know the murder case of Julianne Williams and Lollie Winans has been associated with the Colonial Parkway Murders - but has it ever been considered that Cathy and Becky were not the first victims of the person(s) who killed them?

The reason I bring this up as it may explain why the killer tried to burn Cathy's car using the diesel fuel. Had the CPK used gas previously to burn the vehicle of another victim?

The murder case of Karen Lynn Noble and Jeffrey Lee Scott in WV fascinate me because in some ways their murders were similar to those of the CPK murder victims. In the first case of Cathy and Becky, Cathy's car was attempted to be burned. Someone shot David Knobling and Robin Edwards. Jeff's Datsun truck was found soaked in gasoline, and set on fire.

‘Age of innocence’ lost
Mary:

Yours is an interesting theory.

Thanks.


Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #372
OK, the "Lover's Lane Murders" limited television series covering the Colonial Parkway Murders is moving forward!


Title: "Lover's Lane Murders"

Subject: A deep dive into the unsolved the Colonial Parkway Murders

Date: Monday, February 8 and Tuesday, February 9, 2021

Time: TBA

Network: Oxygen

Episodes: Four hour-long shows, two episodes each night

Producers: Texas Crew Productions (Austin, TX) and XG Productions (Los Angeles, CA)

Featuring: Former FBI profiler Jim Clemente, former FBI agent Maureen O'Connell, former prosecutor Loni Coombs, and forensic expert Laura Pettler
With interviews with Colonial Parkway Murders family members, former FBI and Virginia State Police investigators, reporters and journalists who have covered the case over 34 years.

The Colonial Parkway Murders refers to four unsolved double homicides of young couples who were murdered in lover's lanes in and around Williamsburg, Virginia from 1986 to 1989.
Victims include Cathy Thomas and Rebecca Dowski in October 1986, Robin Edwards and David Knobling in September 1987, Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey missing and assumed murdered in April 1988, and Annamaria Phelps and Daniel Lauer in September 1989.

Thomas/Dowski and Call/Hailey are handled by the FBI Newport News office, and Edwards/Knobling and Phelps/Lauer are handled by the Virginia State Police.


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Thanks.



Bill Thomas
Brother of Cathy Thomas
Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #373
In November 2019, Dennis Bowman was arrested in Michigan and extradited to Virginia. He was subsequently convicted of the 1980 rape and murder of Kathleen O'Brien Doyle in Virginia Beach.

He has also confessed to the 1989 murder of his adopted daughter, Aundria Bowman in Michigan.

Both of those cases, as well as a thread on a Virginia Beach Serial killer can be seen on Websleuths.

Dennis Bowman was a Navy Reservist who lived in Michigan, but who deployed regularly to Virginia for annual reserve duty.

Could he have committed other serial attacks in the Virginia Beach area or nearby areas as well, over the past 40 years?
 
  • #374
In November 2019, Dennis Bowman was arrested in Michigan and extradited to Virginia. He was subsequently convicted of the 1980 rape and murder of Kathleen O'Brien Doyle in Virginia Beach.

He has also confessed to the 1989 murder of his adopted daughter, Aundria Bowman in Michigan.

Both of those cases, as well as a thread on a Virginia Beach Serial killer can be seen on Websleuths.

Dennis Bowman was a Navy Reservist who lived in Michigan, but who deployed regularly to Virginia for annual reserve duty.

Could he have committed other serial attacks in the Virginia Beach area or nearby areas as well, over the past 40 years?

Richard:

Definitely a possibility. We have done some research into Dennis Bowman.

Thanks.


Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #375
Screen Shot 2021-01-15 at 1.15.22 PM.png At long last, the "Lover's Lane Murders" true crime TV series covering the Colonial Parkway Murders is coming to the Oxygen Network

Note the new date: Friday, February 12 and Saturday, February 13 at 9:00 pm.

Two one hour episodes each night.

#LoversLaneMurders #ColonialParkwayMurders #Oxygen



Lovers' Lane Murders Sets Out to Solve the Infamous Colonial Parkway Murders - E! Online


Thanks.


Bill Thomas, Brother of Cathy Thomas, Colonial Parkway Murders
 
  • #376
Not 100% certain these are related, the facts in these cases, are all over the place

Im tempted to say that maybe 2 of these cases, are related, the other 3 theres not enough info to make an analysis

There are some striking similarities in the first, case, and a possible 5th case, some 200 miles away in Shenandoah, but reading on that 5th case, i'm not 100% certain they are, Id need to see more on those 2 particular cases.
 
  • #377
Not 100% certain these are related, the facts in these cases, are all over the place

Im tempted to say that maybe 2 of these cases, are related, the other 3 theres not enough info to make an analysis

There are some striking similarities in the first, case, and a possible 5th case, some 200 miles away in Shenandoah, but reading on that 5th case, i'm not 100% certain they are, Id need to see more on those 2 particular cases.

Kell1:

You may very well be right. Lots of basic similarities, but enough differences to keep us all guessing. For 34 years.

Thanks.


Bill Thomas
 
  • #378
Proud to have worked as a Consulting Producer on "Lover's Lane Murders" true crime television series covering the unsolved Colonial Parkway Murders, making its debut on the Oxygen Network (NBC Universal) February 11-12, 2021.

Executive Produced by the incredible teams at XG Productions and Texas Crew Productions.

#LoversLaneMurders #ColonialParkwayMurders #truecrime #FBI #VirginiaStatePolice


www.oxygen.com/lovers-lane-murders/season-1/videos/lovers-lane-murders-premieres-february-11th
 

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David Lee Knobling, 20 and Robin Margaret Edwards, 14
both of Newport News Key, Virginia

Last seen alive on 20 September 1987. Bodies found near the James River on 23 September 1987.

Case Details: The pair had gone on a date to Ragged Island Wildlife Refuge in Isle of Wight County. Both were shot in the back of the head. No signs of a struggle. His pickup was found in the refuge parking lot with the keys in the ignition, windshield wipers on, the radio playing and his wallet on the seat.

LINK:

Unsolved slayings in Virginia
The case of David Lee Knobling and Robin Edwards intrigue me. I am curious why the two would drive 18+ miles across the James River Bridge and park at Ragged Island, which is in New Carrollton, VA. I am from the area and did a lot of parking lot making out sessions. Never did I drive that distance!
 
  • #380
I haven't read the Colonial Parkway history yet, I've been focused on the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak and the history of Cheatham Annex/Penniman General Ordnance Depot's death toll (surprising, especially how Dupont responded), but I will look for more on the parkway.

I don't recall radar being on the parkway while I was growing up. There weren't any traffic lines on that particular roadway and the lanes were extra wide which actually made it easy to avoid deer or pass other drivers while speeding down it at night. I know my friends and I would drive 60-80 mph routinely (probably faster on a few occasions) at night from where I lived out near Jamestown to get to Yorktown and the bridge to Gloucester Point where some of my friends lived - never had so much as a ticket or a warning. During the day, Yorktown beach and the picnic area doesn't seem isolated, but at night, you can scream bloody murder and no one will come - I know this first hand as the victim of a violent crime there in the 1990's which had nothing to do with the parkway murders (I saw my perpetrators), but nobody's going to hear screams and if they do, they're not going to be able to see where they're coming from anyway due to the lack of lights (back then, not sure about lighting now).

I've always thought that the Colonial Parkway killer was somehow connected to the military (currently serving at that time, retired/unenlisted or discharged) and that was before I knew about one of the victims being from the Navy. Now I'm even more convinced. For those not familiar with the area, here's a list of military bases between Norfolk and Wmsbg in order of proximity to the crime scenes starting with the most Northward location: (note it is only 95 miles between the most distal bases listed below)
1. Fort Lee Army Base (in Prince George, VA which is not far from New Kent and closest to Lauer/Phelps location)
2. Camp Peary (Williamsburg, VA and centrally located between crime scenes of Lauer/Phelps and both Thomas/Dowski and Hailey/Call)
3. Cheatham Annex Naval Weapons Station Yorktown (Yorktown, VA and closest to Thomas/Dowski location)
4. Coast Guard Training Center, Coast Guard Base at Yorktown (closest to Hailey/Call location)
5. Fort Eustis Army Base (Newport News, VA)
6. Langley Air Force Base (in Hampton, VA not the same as Langley, VA with CIA Headquarters that is in Fairfax County, VA outside of Washington, DC it's different than AFB)
7. Fort Monroe Army Base (Hampton, VA closest to Knobling/Edwards location)
8. Naval Station Norfolk Naval Base (Norfolk, VA)
9. Naval Support Activity (physically located within NS Norfolk #8 Southside of base)
10. Navy Medical Center Portsmouth (Portsmouth, VA)
11. Sector Hampton Roads Coast Guard Base (Portsmouth, VA)
12. Norfolk Naval Shipyard (Portsmouth, VA and different than the Naval Base and in a different geographic location)
13. Coast Guard Finance Center (commissioned in 1989, but prior to that there was 1 of this type of office for every few bases, so there was a military office in the area, but I don't know if it was at this same location)
14. Little Creek Naval Air Base (Norfolk, VA East of #8)
15. Fort Story Army Base (Virginia Beach, VA and in 2009 formed Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story)
16. Naval Air Station Oceana (again separate base, in Virginia Beach, VA)
17. Naval Support Activity Northwest Annex Navy Base (again separate base, in Chesapeake, VA)

An excellent resource for a map of VA bases (I did NOT include all the bases in VA which include some located closer to the Shanendoah Mountains) is here:
Virginia Military Bases | MilitaryBases.com

I encourage you to use the 'Learn more..." link for each base to see how diverse, specialized, and relationships between bases. I lived on a few VA bases and have visited 4-5 of them listed above either while my dad was still in the military or after he retired. Back at the time of the murders, it wasn't unusual to have access to multiple bases and it is surprising how much resources were shared or utilized by amongst the bases. It was extremely common to run into people that you knew from other bases all over the world, regardless of the branch of service, especially in an area with such a high concentration of bases. So just because one of the victims was from the Navy in Norfolk, don't assume that someone that knew her from Norfolk didn't run across her by chance in the Wmsbg area and maybe had some animosity towards her specifically or homosexuals in general that triggered upon seeing her out with her girlfriend. The killer would feel safer in attacking because there wouldn't be a close tie, assuming the first victims weren't completely random.

I firmly believe the killer was most likely connected to the military in some way. The partial list above doesn't even include the numerous government contractors that work on any of those bases and it was common for people to go to work for contractors after their term was up or they retired. Several contractors would do work on multiple bases for each of the branches (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, or National Guard). Any of those branches may have gone to Ft. Story, for example, to train because of the diverse terrain, especially amphibious training. I think military/CIA training rather than LE training would be more conducive for a killer. We don't train LE to specifically kill even though use of lethal force is included; however, a major function within the military is to attack and kill as part of the defense of our country. It's critical to our freedom that the military be trained to do so.

I think entirely too much time and too many resources have been spent focused on LE! And I think one of the reasons why is because the suspect pool for a military suspect is dauntingly massive - they're so mobile, but that would also explain why the murders in VA stopped. I would love to see a database of similar crimes and their proximity to military bases starting after the VA murders stopped, covering the next decade. Anything after a decade wouldn't be as applicable based on my assumption of the killer getting out of the military before or at retirement which starts at 20 yrs of service. There are misfits and criminals within the ranks of the military just like civilian society.

The method of murder for Thomas/Dowski did seem like it was an early or possibly the first time the killer escalated to homicide (which happened to also be homocide in this case); however, I think it's highly unlikely that it was the first criminal act committed by the killer. If the person was military, earlier crimes or infractions would have been reported to and discipline proceedings would have been handled by the military and those records would be on file within the military and the military isn't known for their willingness to share data with civilian or outside agencies. In an area like Hampton Roads, I could easily understand if less serious (let's face it, everything is less serious than murder) crimes would likely just be called over to the base for the commanding officer to handle instead of taking the time to fill out civilian paperwork by the local police dept. Does anyone in LE in the Hampton Roads area (or other area with a high concentration of military bases) disagree with that? The policy was probably to fill out a report first, but the actual practice may have been different.

What does everyone think is a high probably precursory crime prior to these murders? I think stalking and some kind of abuse/anger/aggression towards a former girlfriend and new boyfriend or former girlfriend that found herself a girlfriend (someone that was exploring homosexuality). This killer hated couples and newfound love.
I haven't read the Colonial Parkway history yet, I've been focused on the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak and the history of Cheatham Annex/Penniman General Ordnance Depot's death toll (surprising, especially how Dupont responded), but I will look for more on the parkway.

I don't recall radar being on the parkway while I was growing up. There weren't any traffic lines on that particular roadway and the lanes were extra wide which actually made it easy to avoid deer or pass other drivers while speeding down it at night. I know my friends and I would drive 60-80 mph routinely (probably faster on a few occasions) at night from where I lived out near Jamestown to get to Yorktown and the bridge to Gloucester Point where some of my friends lived - never had so much as a ticket or a warning. During the day, Yorktown beach and the picnic area doesn't seem isolated, but at night, you can scream bloody murder and no one will come - I know this first hand as the victim of a violent crime there in the 1990's which had nothing to do with the parkway murders (I saw my perpetrators), but nobody's going to hear screams and if they do, they're not going to be able to see where they're coming from anyway due to the lack of lights (back then, not sure about lighting now).

I've always thought that the Colonial Parkway killer was somehow connected to the military (currently serving at that time, retired/unenlisted or discharged) and that was before I knew about one of the victims being from the Navy. Now I'm even more convinced. For those not familiar with the area, here's a list of military bases between Norfolk and Wmsbg in order of proximity to the crime scenes starting with the most Northward location: (note it is only 95 miles between the most distal bases listed below)
1. Fort Lee Army Base (in Prince George, VA which is not far from New Kent and closest to Lauer/Phelps location)
2. Camp Peary (Williamsburg, VA and centrally located between crime scenes of Lauer/Phelps and both Thomas/Dowski and Hailey/Call)
3. Cheatham Annex Naval Weapons Station Yorktown (Yorktown, VA and closest to Thomas/Dowski location)
4. Coast Guard Training Center, Coast Guard Base at Yorktown (closest to Hailey/Call location)
5. Fort Eustis Army Base (Newport News, VA)
6. Langley Air Force Base (in Hampton, VA not the same as Langley, VA with CIA Headquarters that is in Fairfax County, VA outside of Washington, DC it's different than AFB)
7. Fort Monroe Army Base (Hampton, VA closest to Knobling/Edwards location)
8. Naval Station Norfolk Naval Base (Norfolk, VA)
9. Naval Support Activity (physically located within NS Norfolk #8 Southside of base)
10. Navy Medical Center Portsmouth (Portsmouth, VA)
11. Sector Hampton Roads Coast Guard Base (Portsmouth, VA)
12. Norfolk Naval Shipyard (Portsmouth, VA and different than the Naval Base and in a different geographic location)
13. Coast Guard Finance Center (commissioned in 1989, but prior to that there was 1 of this type of office for every few bases, so there was a military office in the area, but I don't know if it was at this same location)
14. Little Creek Naval Air Base (Norfolk, VA East of #8)
15. Fort Story Army Base (Virginia Beach, VA and in 2009 formed Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek-Fort Story)
16. Naval Air Station Oceana (again separate base, in Virginia Beach, VA)
17. Naval Support Activity Northwest Annex Navy Base (again separate base, in Chesapeake, VA)

An excellent resource for a map of VA bases (I did NOT include all the bases in VA which include some located closer to the Shanendoah Mountains) is here:
Virginia Military Bases | MilitaryBases.com

I encourage you to use the 'Learn more..." link for each base to see how diverse, specialized, and relationships between bases. I lived on a few VA bases and have visited 4-5 of them listed above either while my dad was still in the military or after he retired. Back at the time of the murders, it wasn't unusual to have access to multiple bases and it is surprising how much resources were shared or utilized by amongst the bases. It was extremely common to run into people that you knew from other bases all over the world, regardless of the branch of service, especially in an area with such a high concentration of bases. So just because one of the victims was from the Navy in Norfolk, don't assume that someone that knew her from Norfolk didn't run across her by chance in the Wmsbg area and maybe had some animosity towards her specifically or homosexuals in general that triggered upon seeing her out with her girlfriend. The killer would feel safer in attacking because there wouldn't be a close tie, assuming the first victims weren't completely random.

I firmly believe the killer was most likely connected to the military in some way. The partial list above doesn't even include the numerous government contractors that work on any of those bases and it was common for people to go to work for contractors after their term was up or they retired. Several contractors would do work on multiple bases for each of the branches (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, or National Guard). Any of those branches may have gone to Ft. Story, for example, to train because of the diverse terrain, especially amphibious training. I think military/CIA training rather than LE training would be more conducive for a killer. We don't train LE to specifically kill even though use of lethal force is included; however, a major function within the military is to attack and kill as part of the defense of our country. It's critical to our freedom that the military be trained to do so.

I think entirely too much time and too many resources have been spent focused on LE! And I think one of the reasons why is because the suspect pool for a military suspect is dauntingly massive - they're so mobile, but that would also explain why the murders in VA stopped. I would love to see a database of similar crimes and their proximity to military bases starting after the VA murders stopped, covering the next decade. Anything after a decade wouldn't be as applicable based on my assumption of the killer getting out of the military before or at retirement which starts at 20 yrs of service. There are misfits and criminals within the ranks of the military just like civilian society.

The method of murder for Thomas/Dowski did seem like it was an early or possibly the first time the killer escalated to homicide (which happened to also be homocide in this case); however, I think it's highly unlikely that it was the first criminal act committed by the killer. If the person was military, earlier crimes or infractions would have been reported to and discipline proceedings would have been handled by the military and those records would be on file within the military and the military isn't known for their willingness to share data with civilian or outside agencies. In an area like Hampton Roads, I could easily understand if less serious (let's face it, everything is less serious than murder) crimes would likely just be called over to the base for the commanding officer to handle instead of taking the time to fill out civilian paperwork by the local police dept. Does anyone in LE in the Hampton Roads area (or other area with a high concentration of military bases) disagree with that? The policy was probably to fill out a report first, but the actual practice may have been different.

What does everyone think is a high probably precursory crime prior to these murders? I think stalking and some kind of abuse/anger/aggression towards a former girlfriend and new boyfriend or former girlfriend that found herself a girlfriend (someone that was exploring homosexuality). This killer hated couples and newfound love.

I did the same when in Highschool we would drive the CP and all over the dark back roads of James City County, Williamsburg, and York Town and go as fast as we could. We also hung around York Town Beach late at night, again isolated and very dark. Even driving there, the roads are dark and remote. Not a lot of patrols in the area either.

I would agree with the military connection. I could not locate data for the 1980s. Still, the 2015-2019 Census Veteran population for Hampton Roads is 203, 698 I did filter for all the locales for Hampton Roads. However, only 1.1% of the people for Hampton Roads during the 1980s through 1989 is 3,007,216, and the approximate active-duty population is 83,000 again; I could not find data for the 1980’s so, one would need to +/- for errors. Geographically the “killer” or “Killers” can travel long distances to commit crimes. I know people are tired of comparing Golden State, but he traveled to multiple areas to commit crimes. Sam Little killed 90 people. The fascinating story of Israel Keyes, who lived in Alaska but hunted in the lower 48.

We should apply lessons learned from previous cases and not rule out the LEO connect. For example, the Golden State was LEO but fired for stealing. Did the task force research all LEO dating back ten years who were fired for either psychological, behavior, or others? I do not buy into the CIA operative training theory that those on Perry were too busy learning how to hunt Russians or know what else. Growing up in Newport News, besides the military personnel moving in and out, I do not recall Hampton Roads being a transient area. For as large of an area, I felt connected growing up, and you knew everyone or could run into someone at any time. That is why I believe it’s a local person with local connections, and they used the CP to hunt and terrorize.

I agree with you the killings were an escalation of violence, and the “killer” or “killers” hunted before but in a different mannerism. I am curious what other crimes were compared or researched for possible ties to the CP killings?
 

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