Vatican calling for Boycott of Da Vinci Code

[windovervocalcords]

This thread has from the very begining been about the issue of the Church calling for a boycott of DVC and not really about DVC itself.
This contradicts your comment from below that Catholics should debate Church Doctrine among themselves, now doesn't it? If Non Catholics are going to be discussing The Church that Catholics love and posting untruths then they are going to debate that.
The first couple posters said they thought it was absurd for the Church to call for a boycott and Catholic posters started providing links defending the Church's POV on the DVC.
Well since The Church did not call for a Boycott that would make the cries of absurd moot. The fact that several individuals were calling for boycotts because they felt their faith was being blasphemed, I don't see anything absurd in that. They have a right to call for a boycott if they want does not mean it will happen.
Fifty to seventy posts later I joined in asking the same question you ask. What does all this have to do with DVC?
No you are twisting my words we had moved way on from this, when I asked that question. When I asked this question we were specifically speaking about The Church censoring DVC, and you were showing proof of 30 yrs ago

Catholics choose to explain Church doctrine to posters and posters continue to challenge that.
No Catholics do not choose to explain Church doctrine to posters (I have no desire to explain church doctrine to posters). When posters such as yourself post lies about the pope, or lie about The Dogma or Doctrine then that's when we post.
Really Catholics ought to debate Church doctrine among themselves. Respect the Pope and the authority of the Church, keep the faith.
See Above..... Rather comical of you to tell us to Respect The Pope, and The Authority of The Church, and Keep The Faith.... Don't you think????
Don't expect people of other faith traditions to understand and automatically respect each and every stand the Church publically takes.
Now that is an absurd statement, How would I or any Catholic ever expect people of Other faiths or traditions to understand and automatically respect each and every stand the Church publically takes? Think about that statement it makes absolutely no sense.
As to why I or anyone else care about this topic is irrelevant. The topic is not about me. For the record, I picked up the book once and could not see what the big deal was. A good friend of mine really wants me to read it and I will by I am otherwise not attracted to it. I did not intend to see it before the thread, but now I will because of all the furor over it. I want to see for myself what on earth the big deal is.
Are you serious? Ofcourse it is relevant, why are you even posting on here,? Why are you posting on a dicussion thread about DVC if you don't care about the topic?
For what its worth, what happens to me is some Catholic poster throw's out a term I do not understand. I google the definition and look for related articles. That led to interesting POV's about blasphemy, heresy, papal infallibility and the history of the Catholic Church in the world.
Yes then you post stuff from Anti Catholic propoganda sites that are trully offensive (and full of lies) to Catholics. Then have the Gall to tell us we should debate Doctrine among ourselves.
I read articles about the historical response of the Church to art and writing that the Church found threatening and the efforts it makes in the present to suppress dissent. Currently, internationally DVC is being banned and censored. It may have started as a US boycott but has quickly spread to a worldwide response. Other religions, such as Islam, have weighed in.You are just so bent on proving that the church called for a boycott of DVC when it did not. Those articles were in the 19 century nothing what so ever to do with now. If DVC is being banned internationally then they sure are wasting their time the furor about it is over.

DVC has run it's course Dan Brown is probably by now moved on and is in the middle of writing his new book. So over and out.

Tis--

Take a deep breath. If the thread were "over and out" then why knock yourself out with "proving" this poster or any other is "out to getcha"?

Its not gall to say Church doctrine should be debated among proponents of the faith. Its common sense. Otherwise, people from other faith traditions will be continually confused. Best to have Catholic scholars debate Catholic scholars.

I did not start the thread, nor am I trying to "prove" the Vatican called for a boycott. If you insist the thread WAS started with a Fox news link, here's another:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/190/story_19037_1.html

I like history and examining interconnectedness of the past to the present.

The thread will run its course.

Why any thread catches or sustains my attention varies with the topic.

As long as WS is not censored, my opinions are as relevant as anyone else's, no more, no less.

 

[JBean]

.....I gave you information....Please do not change your focus once you receive information....For example, the CC also called for censoring James Joyce's Ulysses, again, a mainstream author, mainstream book, now considered a "classic", read in literature classes at thousands of universities...

The ONLY reason the CC does not get further with their attempted direct ban on literature and other artwork they do not agree with is because we live in a country that clearly called for, and continues to call for, the SEPARATION of church and state since its inception. They have tried, as in the case with the motion picture industry, a "back door" approach, i.e., loading a board or organization with those with another agenda, but, in most cases, these efforts have not gotten very far. Now, we do have Supreme Court Justice Scalia to contend with, a prominent member of Opus Dei who is also on the Supreme Court, but he is only one individual....

To DK and Tis, JB, ec. I am not anti-Catholic per se. Let me explain where I am coming from. First of all, I am from a mixed religious background, Eastern Orthodox and Jewish, and while I consider myself to have cultural aspects of both, I do not subscribe to either religion in toto. For the proverbial "record", I am extremely well read in comparative religion, theology, world religions, etc.

My problem with the Catholic Church today lies with the fact that few priests and fewer CC officials are like Father Groppi, and more seem to be living a life of hypocrisy, rather than subscribing to the origianl tenets and core beliefs of Christianity...Ironically, in the US, it is often the inner city priests who are the most "true" to Chrisitan doctrine, rather than the priveleged officers of organizations like Opus Dei.

When I was a little girl, Father Groppi was a fabulous Catholic priest who worked tirelessly for the poor and disenfranchised, civil rights, minority rights, children's rights. He truly believed in what he was doing and lived it. The Catholic Church basically villified him for doing the right thing, and for his tireless service. He was loved by all who knew him in the inner-city neighborhoods of Milwaukee and elsewhere...An amazing man...God bless Father Groppi...Links about him...

http://www.cemeteries.org/fp_display.asp?id=109
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/results.asp?keyword1=groppi
http://www.milwaukeecountyhistsoc.org/civilRights.htm
http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/arch/findaids/mssex.htm
http://www.italianrap.com/italam/heroes/james_groppi.html

So you see, DK, Tis, JB, and others....my issue goes much deeper than the DVC, it is the mean spriitedness and narrow vision by some extreme factions of the CC that I do not like, and I hope other more moderate Catholics are working to change... No religion is probolem-free; I can tell you where the problems lie with the EO and Jewish religions as well, I am a realist, and a humanitarian... I do not have any problem with criticism of religions my family members belong to. Without criticism, there is no dialogue or change. Many of the Catholics I know want changes in their church...My objection is to the fundamentalist fringe element of ANY religion, for with such a rigid belief structure comes intolerance, censorship, violcence, and the promotion of man's inhumanity to man, instead of the exact opposite... I cannot see Jesus calling for mean-spiritedness, censorship, elitism, or closed-mindedness as integral parts of Christianity, can you?

Very telling post cappucina, thanks.
I can see where we are very different with regard to this issue. It does not run deeper for me, I am only discussing the DVC.
I have no emotional investment in this topic.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Here's a postscript...

I google what do Catholics think of other faiths and I get this:

The current views of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) concerning other Christian denominations and other religions are explained in a Vatican declaration Dominus Iesus (written by Cardinal Ratzinger in 2000)


"Churches such as the Church of England, where the apostolic succession of bishops from the time of St. Peter is disputed by Rome, and churches without bishops, are not considered 'proper' churches." They suffer from "defects."

“Religions other than Christianity are considered to be "gravely deficient."

Dominus Iesus was published on 2000-AUG-6 by Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"Dialog with other branches of Christianity and with other religions is part of the RCC's mission of evangelizing the world.

Dialog implies the equality of the dignity of the individuals taking part -- not the equality of their various beliefs and practices."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_othe.htm

How do you read that statement?


I hear it sounding like the only reason for a Catholic to talk to persons of other faiths is to turn them into Catholics, not to respect their various beliefs and practices and talk with them as equals.


Why would you expect anyone of another faith tradition, or no named faith tradition to automatically “respect” Catholics?

The Da Vinci Code expresses a number of themes. Censorship itself is a theme in the DVC. The story (among other things) is the Church wrote Mary Magdalene out of history and suppressed other gospels.

 

[Dark Knight]

Here's a postscript...

I google what do Catholics think of other faiths and I get this:

The current views of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) concerning other Christian denominations and other religions are explained in a Vatican declaration Dominus Iesus (written by Cardinal Ratzinger in 2000)


"Churches such as the Church of England, where the apostolic succession of bishops from the time of St. Peter is disputed by Rome, and churches without bishops, are not considered 'proper' churches." They suffer from "defects."

“Religions other than Christianity are considered to be "gravely deficient."

Dominus Iesus was published on 2000-AUG-6 by Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"Dialog with other branches of Christianity and with other religions is part of the RCC's mission of evangelizing the world.

Dialog implies the equality of the dignity of the individuals taking part -- not the equality of their various beliefs and practices."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_othe.htm

How do you read that statement?


I hear it sounding like the only reason for a Catholic to talk to persons of other faiths is to turn them into Catholics, not to respect their various beliefs and practices and talk with them as equals.


Why would you expect anyone of another faith tradition, or no named faith tradition to automatically “respect” Catholics?

The Da Vinci Code expresses a number of themes. Censorship itself is a theme in the DVC. The story (among other things) is the Church wrote Mary Magdalene out of history and suppressed other gospels.

You choose the strangest sources, lol. The Church thinks highly enough of other Christian churches that if you have been baptized in one, they will NOT rebaptize you if you convert, as they see it as a legitimate Christian baptism. (That didn't USED to be the case, many, many years ago.) In 13 years of Catholicism, I have never been told to try and convert other Christians, and am free to speak with them, lol. This is silly.

 

[mic730]

You choose the strangest sources, lol. The Church thinks highly enough of other Christian churches that if you have been baptized in one, they will NOT rebaptize you if you convert, as they see it as a legitimate Christian baptism. (That didn't USED to be the case, many, many years ago.) In 13 years of Catholicism, I have never been told to try and convert other Christians, and am free to speak with them, lol. This is silly.

I can second that. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, and was always taught to respect all Christian faiths and non-Christian faiths. In fact, I have never heard the Catholic Church preach converting Protestants to Catholicism but I most certainly have had Protestant churches try to tell me Catholics are not true Christians and I should convert.

 

[Dark Knight]

I can second that. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, and was always taught to respect all Christian faiths and non-Christian faiths. In fact, I have never heard the Catholic Church preach converting Protestants to Catholicism but I most certainly have had Protestant churches try to tell me Cahotilics are not true Christians and I should convert.

Yep, me too. It's usually the others trying to covert US, lol.

 

[mic730]

Here's a postscript...

I google what do Catholics think of other faiths and I get this:

The current views of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) concerning other Christian denominations and other religions are explained in a Vatican declaration Dominus Iesus (written by Cardinal Ratzinger in 2000)


"Churches such as the Church of England, where the apostolic succession of bishops from the time of St. Peter is disputed by Rome, and churches without bishops, are not considered 'proper' churches." They suffer from "defects."

“Religions other than Christianity are considered to be "gravely deficient."

Dominus Iesus was published on 2000-AUG-6 by Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

"Dialog with other branches of Christianity and with other religions is part of the RCC's mission of evangelizing the world.

Dialog implies the equality of the dignity of the individuals taking part -- not the equality of their various beliefs and practices."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_othe.htm

How do you read that statement?


I hear it sounding like the only reason for a Catholic to talk to persons of other faiths is to turn them into Catholics, not to respect their various beliefs and practices and talk with them as equals.


Why would you expect anyone of another faith tradition, or no named faith tradition to automatically “respect” Catholics?

The Da Vinci Code expresses a number of themes. Censorship itself is a theme in the DVC. The story (among other things) is the Church wrote Mary Magdalene out of history and suppressed other gospels.

What you quoted from that link had more info that included the current teaching since Vatican II.

[Vatican II Document (1976):
The Second Vatican Council's Declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions reaffirmed that there is only one Church of Christ that is fully in possession of the truth of the Gospel; that is the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Although other religions and denominations differ considerably from the RCC, their teachings are often seen as containing elements of truth in their beliefs and practices. In an often quoted passage, the Declaration states, in part,: "The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and teachings, which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men."

 

[Dark Knight]

What you quoted from that link had more info that included the current teaching since Vatican II.

[Vatican II Document (1976):
The Second Vatican Council's Declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions reaffirmed that there is only one Church of Christ that is fully in possession of the truth of the Gospel; that is the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Although other religions and denominations differ considerably from the RCC, their teachings are often seen as containing elements of truth in their beliefs and practices. In an often quoted passage, the Declaration states, in part,: "The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and teachings, which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men."

Funny how they pick and choose what to post, huh?

 

[mic730]

Funny how they pick and choose what to post, huh?

Vatican II was so significant to the Catholic Church I find it hard to explain.
It was HUGE! I know you know that! The Catholic Church has evolved with human kind in a gentler way as has human kind.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Funny how they pick and choose what to post, huh?

"They" left out that part because it was written in 1976.

"They" included the other because it is more recently written in 2000 by the cardinal who serves as current Pope.

 

[close_enough]

Yeah, I get it.

"Cathophobes, homophobes, feminazis etc, etc.

Using labels for weapons, very likeable, you say.

There are many more pages of "outrage" on Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Angelina Jolie.

DVC is small potatoes compared with that. Shall we call all those poster cruiseophobes, joliejunkies, spearites?

hahah..too funny :clap:

i saw The Da Vinci Code today, after backing out of watching The Omen, at the last minute...it wasn't as good as the book...if i hadn't read the book, i KNOW i would have been lost as an easter egg :crazy:
...it went right along w/the book pretty much, except for a couple of things, & veered off just a tad at the end too, but all in all i thought it was a good movie...i've always really liked Tom Hanks, but it seems Ron Howard could have picked someone else for the part of Robert Langdon...somehow Hanks just didn't click w/me in this role, but not to the point that it made the movie less interesting....it was neat to see Peter Weller in it...hadn't seen him in anything in ages...i THINK that's his name??

 

[close_enough]

let me correct part of that last post...it wasn't Peter Weller..lol, he was Robocop...it's a guy named Jurgen Prochnow...anyway, i hadn't seen him in anything recent, although his part in The Da Vinci code was small....i've always liked him, since The Seventh Sign..

 

[ellen13]

What does that have to do with the Da Vinci Code? :crazy:

Please stick to 21's century examples, or at least late 20th, lol.

There is still no evidence of literal censorship of the DVC, and there never will be any. So that about ends that debate, it would seem.

You must not have been reading the newspapers or watching the news unless your definition of censorship and boycott have two different meanings.

 

[cappuccina]

...my soon-to-be high school freshman son and a couple of his friends are jamming in my living room (with guitars and bass) to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells", while I am reading the recent posts on this thread (as we "speak")...LMAO

 

[Dark Knight]

You must not have been reading the newspapers or watching the news unless your definition of censorship and boycott have two different meanings.

Yes, like most everyone else, I have two diff meanings for censorship and boycott, because they aren't the same thing.

 

[cinsbythesea]

You choose the strangest sources, lol. The Church thinks highly enough of other Christian churches that if you have been baptized in one, they will NOT rebaptize you if you convert, as they see it as a legitimate Christian baptism. (That didn't USED to be the case, many, many years ago.) In 13 years of Catholicism, I have never been told to try and convert other Christians, and am free to speak with them, lol. This is silly.

In my way early days growing up with devout Catholic parents and going to church every Sunday and all the Holy Days - they taught us that WE were the ones that would go to heaven because WE were the ones going to the right faith. It bothered me from an early age that my very nice friends who were not Catholic wouldn't have a chance to get into heaven because they didn't attend the right church. That the "Church thinks highly enough of other Christian churches that if you have been baptized in one they will NOT repabtize you if you convert" makes me realize why I gave up on Catholicism. Their way all the way or no way. Which lead me to give up on the faith entirely by the time my second child was born. My very Catholic father decided he could baptize her in his kitchen sink and prevent her from spending an eternity in limbo or purgatory.

 

[narlacat]

Good post cins.

Purgatory, what a (Catholic) joke.

I will never believe being born is a sin.

 

[Dark Knight]

In my way early days growing up with devout Catholic parents and going to church every Sunday and all the Holy Days - they taught us that WE were the ones that would go to heaven because WE were the ones going to the right faith. It bothered me from an early age that my very nice friends who were not Catholic wouldn't have a chance to get into heaven because they didn't attend the right church. That the "Church thinks highly enough of other Christian churches that if you have been baptized in one they will NOT repabtize you if you convert" makes me realize why I gave up on Catholicism. Their way all the way or no way. Which lead me to give up on the faith entirely by the time my second child was born. My very Catholic father decided he could baptize her in his kitchen sink and prevent her from spending an eternity in limbo or purgatory.

You misunderstood me....the Catholic church sees no need to rebaptize someone already baptised by another Christian church, even a non-Catholic one. They recognize it as a valid Christian baptism. They will even recognize Protestant marriages when you convert, no need to get "remarried."

And I am guessing you went to church pre-Vatican 2, as they no longer teach that others won't go to heaven. They even teach that Jews share in salvation thru their own faith. So nowadays it isn't even close to what you described.

 

[cappuccina]

...trouble with Catholic kids at our public school telling the other kids that they'll burn in hell because they're not Catholic, while the kids are on recess and the teacher can't hear what's going on...

 

[Dark Knight]

...my soon-to-be high school freshman son and a couple of his friends are jamming in my living room (with guitars and bass) to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells", while I am reading the recent posts on this thread (as we "speak")...LMAO

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! At least it wasn't on 6-6-06 as well!