Verdict Watch 05/03/2013

[Chelly]

Well, apparently he does. JM alluded to the fact that he deposed him. He teased JA when she was on the stand, inferring in a round about way that he was going to call him as a witness which of course never happened. He made a few comments something like "well you think MM would say blah blah blah" and "he would never betray you?" blah blah blah. It was odd because we never heard a peep from the guy.

Right, but all we know about this guy Matt is Jodi's reference to him and some comments "he" supposedly left on a website. Just wondered if he was made up. I know the magazine she was trying to smuggle out of jail was for a "Matt", but that name could have been a pseudonym. It seems nobody has ever even seen this guy. This Kinda bugs me.

 

[kaydono]

I am very curious about this guy, Matt McCartney. Has anyone ever met him? Does he even exist? It's like he's a phantom. Sorry if this has been asked and answered somewhere.

He left the country because he is scared of Juan Martinez. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: J/K

 

[Chelly]

Is anyone watching HLN? I had to mute it.

It's way too disgusting.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I guess it's not politically correct to state this but really, this woman had been living on her own since she was 18 and at age 28, she had all of $750.00 to her name? Geez...Talk about NOT taking responsibility for herself as an "adult"!

Sorry if I offend someone who has found him/herself in a bad situation but I don't think I've had that little money since I started working part-time.

moo

I think she could of had some money before the housing bust in Ca. I'm too tired and turned off to try to defend her, but times got hard in CA and AZ, housing bust and all.

 

[kaydono]

HLN is doing Juries.They should have 8 men and 4 women on it.Also men get the sex part with Travis so Jodi ship is sinking.

They had the THs and the jury talking at the same time. Hence, me muting the channel.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Right, but all we know about this guy Matt is Jodi's reference to him and some comments "he" supposedly left on a website. Just wondered if he was made up. I know the magazine she was trying to smuggle out of jail was for a "Matt", but that name could have been a pseudonym. It seems nobody has ever even seen this guy. This Kinda bugs me.

I think Bobbie Juarez knows him. :facepalm:

 

[wasnt_me]

"accident" that she didn't get there at the time she should have given the distance. If she told Ryan she would be delayed then it could be used against her that she went to Arizona. She already knew she would just use the "I got really lost" and "then I slept" lines with Ryan. What could she make up for a reason that couldn't later be investigated? If she said, "Oh, I'm going to stop by so and so's" then it would be checked. She didn't care about lying to Ryan and knew she would just use the lost story.

In this post, I was asking Nurmi why she didn't lie to Ryan if she'd already known she was going to Travis' house.

Nurmi is making up a theory that in itself doesn't make sense. He is saying that Jodi called Ryan and told him she was coming there. He asked why she'd do that if she was on a mission to kill Travis.

I asked myself that question because it was a VERY important question to me. And I came up with my answer--Zach. Had Zach not been there, she wouldn't have been but a couple hours late to Ryan.

But for Nurmi's defense, this call poses problems. Ryan was the last call Jodi made. That means--according to Jodi's story--she already knew she was going to Travis' house. So why not lie to Ryan and make an excuse to be late, so that Ryan won't know she's going to Travis'?

Nurmi claims the trip was not covert. Nurmi claims Travis talked Jodi into coming there. There was no secret killing planned. So if that's true, why wouldn't Jodi make something up to Ryan to cover for the fact that she actually was going to see Travis? You know, so Ryan won't know that she's visiting yet another ex on her trip?

Am I making sense? Let's pretend Jodi didn't plan to murder Travis. But she decided to see him after he begged her. She knows she'll with Travis, visiting him for a while, right? She won't just go there, wave at him and get back on the road. So it stands to reason on that last call to Ryan, she would have told him SOMETHING so he wouldn't expect her in 12 hours. See what I am saying?

But Nurmi is using the question as I was using the question in my mind earlier. Days earlier, I wanted to know why a killer would call Ryan and say she'd be there in 12 hours if she was planning on going to Mesa and killing Travis. It's a natural question. If it wasn't, Nurmi wouldn't have brought it up. And he brought it up to trip up the jurors. That's why I'm so animated about this question.

My answer is Zach threw her plan off. I hope the jury comes up with a similar reason and doesn't get tripped up by this. That's all I'm trying to say. I just wish others would understand what I'm saying and not :floorlaugh: at me for talking about questions.

 

[kaydono]

What happened earlier about Jaun bringing up a magazine? I just walked in the door and missed it. I asked then but the thread was moving so fast I wouldnt have seen an answer .

I think he just put that out there, without having the gory details as to who the message was intended for, just to further the mistrust of Jodi, on their part.

 

[HarvestMoon]

They had the THs and the jury talking at the same time. Hence, me muting the channel.

Now they're busy with Latisha running around Walmart with a gas can.

 

[Boytwnmom]

time in Juan's closing that the magazine messages were for the pedophile claims? I swear I didn't know that. It was clear even though Nurmi moved faster than I'd ever seen to object that Jodi was sending a message about that and was planning to go public with the pedo letters at the same time she was trying to get them admitted in court. It's really too bad that couldn't have come into evidence more clearly.

 

[Chelly]

If Juan Martinez says that he interviewed MM (and he did), then I believe he exists.

OK. Good. That's what I was trying to find out. I didn't realize Juan had actually spoken with MM. So, he's just disappeared. Poof!

 

[kaydono]

Now they're busy with Latisha running around Walmart with a gas can.

Too many story lines at the same time, my brain hurts. lol :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

I wouldn't be surprised if they already unanimously reached a guilty verdict right off the bat today...but they wanted to make JA stew at least over the weekend....I mean after all, they've had to endure this gawd-awful trial for how many months?

I think you're right. They found her guilty but they're going to spend Monday debating that danged camera in the washer issue, just to make her sweat.

lol

Hopefully.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Pretty AMAZING to me it took the roommates THAT many days to realize as well as the friends on the Cancun trip, seems odd, this is AZ after all and in the summer..??

The one thing I've never understood is one of his friends said the house stunk. I can't remember who said it, but I know it wasn't a roommate. It was someone who came over to check on him. Did the roommate not smell anything? I guess since they thought he was already in Cancun they were watching Napoleon? It sounds like the relationship with the roommate was rather distant IMO.

 

[kaRN]

I bet they stoop to using the gm in the sentencing phase if they come back with M1

Good luck getting her to stay awake long enough. :blushing:

 

[Ammonitida]

She didn't plan on lingering around for as long as she did at Travis's house. She did expect to arrive later than the time frame she told Burns, but not that late. I believe she planned on telling the "I got lost" story from the get go. It's part of her coverup. We know that she planned on turning off the cell phone for at least 10 hours (the time it would take to get in and out of Arizona as quickly as possible). She knew this cell phone issue would look incriminating. If she had told Burns that she'd be arriving at 2PM instead, she'd eventually have to account for the missing 10 hours. Detectives would have noted that this cell phone time gap gives her enough time to ghost her way in and out of Mesa for the murder. To help get around it, she tells Burns that she'll be arriving at 9:00AM -- this gives impression that she is 1) innocent of premeditation and 2) that her original cover story of getting lost in Nevada is true (hence the reason she couldn't find her cell charger or buy a new one to charge her battery). Basically, the "I got lost" story was concocted to explain the cell phone, and telling Burns of an earlier arrival helps to corroborate that as her DELAY is proof that she got LOST. Get it?

To make it clearer, the cell phone time gap (at least 10 hours) was the primary obstacle for Jodi. She knew she would be grilled on it by detectives. You're on a long road trip to Utah and here your cell phone is turned off for a considerable amount of time, just enough time to ghost your way in and out of Arizona to commit the murder. Why not stop or pull over somewhere to buy a new charger if your other one was lost? She tells dead Travis, "I got lost, driving 100 miles in the wrong direction" and later tells Flores something similar. Basically, I couldn't pull over anywhere to buy a new charger because I was "stranded" -- the exact word she uses when talking to Flores in her first video recorded interview about the cell phone issue. So the lost/stranded cover story is intended to EXPLAIN why she took so long to turn on her cell phone and to help sell this story she tells Burns that she'll be arriving at 9:00AM -- to give evidence of a DELAY that would corroborate her "I was stranded" cover up for the cell phone time gap.

 

[wasnt_me]

How many times have I forgotten or lost a charger before even a short trip and pulled into the nearest Target or Radio Shack or even CVS and purchased a new one because the last place I want to be is stranded on Rt 128 or 93 with a dead phone.

Once my phone is DEAD - not dying or low on battery but DEAD - even after plugging in the charger I can't use it until the red battery turns green.

Jodi said her phone was DEAD and when she found the charger, she plugged it in and immediately texted. She said calls were dropped because she had no signal. She didn't have to wait even one minute for the phone to charge.

I need a phone like that.

EDITED TO ADD: hey, she didn't say she PLUGGED IN the charger, she said she found the charger and TURNED ON HER PHONE. I swear that's what she said!

I don't know how fast her phone would have rebounded in 2008. Mine in 2013 rebounds pretty fast.

But that's assuming it needed to rebound in the first place. I believe what you're getting at is right. It wasn't out of battery; it was turned off, therefore, she could use it immediately upon turning it back on, probably no charger needed. I don't know how long a battery lasts while the phone is off, though.

Jodi apparently didn't have a lot of money. She had to buy suntan lotion, gas cans, bikini waxes and all that. So I don't fault her for not pulling over to get the all essential charger. I do fault her for not pulling over and looking under the dang on seat. That's free! But of course there is no need to look for what is not lost.

 

[Ransom]

Yes you can.

http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/?p=4133

NO you can't per our verified AZ atty.
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[kaydono]

The one thing I've never understood is one of his friends said the house stunk. I can't remember who said it, but I know it wasn't a roommate. It was someone who came over to check on him. Did the roommate not smell anything? I guess since they thought he was already in Cancun they were watching Napoleon? It sounds like the relationship with the roommate was rather distant IMO.

I, myself, have never smelled a dead body, human or animal, but I would wonder why my house all of a sudden stunk. I would make my son check the source of the smell for me. I would freak out if I saw a dead animal.

 

[Lisa57]

Just surfed past HLN on the tube as I was going thru the channels.
It's disgusting.
Front of the courthouse area ... all lit up like Christmas. People milling around, panel of 6-8 talking heads holding court.

I know this trial has drawn national/international attention - but HLN is over the line. IMO
HLN turns these trials into a circus.
Sensationalism for $$$$$.

I pray the jury and families are escorted into a back entrance.
One of these days these idiots are gonna be the cause of a mistrial.

I know we all complain about HLN & the circus atmosphere but check out newspaper articles from the 1800's. Some of those trials attracted whole families. They packed a picnic & it was family entertainment right down to watching the convicted get hanged.