Verdict Watch 05/03/2013

[gngr~snap]

Is anyone watching HLN? I had to mute it.

I am. Natisha bought the gas can. It was $17 something.
Now she is headed to another Walmart to return it without a receipt and is waiting inline at customer service to see if she gets cash back...

I know it's stupid but I have nothing better to do.
So I am watching and tuning out the rest. :blushing:

 

[panthera]

In this post, I was asking Nurmi why she didn't lie to Ryan if she'd already known she was going to Travis' house.

Nurmi is making up a theory that in itself doesn't make sense. He is saying that Jodi called Ryan and told him she was coming there. He asked why she'd do that if she was on a mission to kill Travis.

I asked myself that question because it was a VERY important question to me. And I came up with my answer--Zach. Had Zach not been there, she wouldn't have been but a couple hours late to Ryan.

But for Nurmi's defense, this call poses problems. Ryan was the last call Jodi made. That means--according to Jodi's story--she already knew she was going to Travis' house. So why not lie to Ryan and make an excuse to be late, so that Ryan won't know she's going to Travis'?

Nurmi claims the trip was not covert. Nurmi claims Travis talked Jodi into coming there. There was no secret killing planned. So if that's true, why wouldn't Jodi make something up to Ryan to cover for the fact that she actually was going to see Travis? You know, so Ryan won't know that she's visiting yet another ex on her trip?

Am I making sense? Let's pretend Jodi didn't plan to murder Travis. But she decided to see him after he begged her. She knows she'll with Travis, visiting him for a while, right? She won't just go there, wave at him and get back on the road. So it stands to reason on that last call to Ryan, she would have told him SOMETHING so he wouldn't expect her in 12 hours. See what I am saying?

But Nurmi is using the question as I was using the question in my mind earlier. Days earlier, I wanted to know why a killer would call Ryan and say she'd be there in 12 hours if she was planning on going to Mesa and killing Travis. It's a natural question. If it wasn't, Nurmi wouldn't have brought it up. And he brought it up to trip up the jurors. That's why I'm so animated about this question.

My answer is Zach threw her plan off. I hope the jury comes up with a similar reason and doesn't get tripped up by this. That's all I'm trying to say. I just wish others would understand what I'm saying and not :floorlaugh: at me for talking about questions.

First of all, I will not be laughing. It is a fair question and actually you have presented a very logical explanation. I also believe JA called Ryan and gave him her ETA to set up an alibi and that she hadn't planned on staying as long as she did with Travis, but having to do so because Zach was home, she came up with "Plan B". Once having to implement "Plan B" (sex and photos) she couldn't call Ryan to inform him she would be late as it would record on her cell phone which she had turned off to remain undetected in Arizona. As for not calling him later when she left Arizona perhaps she hadn't come up with an excuse yet in her mind why she was running so late and probably never thought of him actually telling LE she had been so late.

MOO

 

[sammie]

I think Bobbie Juarez knows him. :facepalm:

They were roommates.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I took a nap, and just jumped out of the bed like the damn thing was on fire :scared:

Glad I didn't miss a verdict....even though I KNEW we wouldn't get one today!
I was still very discombobulated!

:floorlaugh:

 

[Phoebeb]

The one thing I've never understood is one of his friends said the house stunk. I can't remember who said it, but I know it wasn't a roommate. It was someone who came over to check on him. Did the roommate not smell anything? I guess since they thought he was already in Cancun they were watching Napoleon? It sounds like the relationship with the roommate was rather distant IMO.

I think if his doors were shut and the roommates weren't around that much, it may have gone unnoticed. By the time Flores got there, he noted the odor throughout the house, but by that time the bedroom doors had been opened

 

[kaRN]

I wouldn't be surprised if they already unanimously reached a guilty verdict right off the bat today...but they wanted to make JA stew at least over the weekend....I mean after all, they've had to endure this gawd-awful trial for how many months?

I completely agree! I bet they have the best and most restful sleeps they've had in months this weekend!

 

[Mellinyce]

If she got cash, she would be required to sign a receipt, to prove the cashier gave her the money. I know this from being on both sides of the counter.

I posted this on an earlier thread...if she received cash and nothing was signed or recorded then that cashier would come out SHORT on his/her register! That is looked at as stealing from the company. You CAN'T ACCOUNT for money MISSING at the end of day of your register...

 

[katydid23]

Yeah the phone lie. So worried about running out of gas that she doesn't bother to find a phone charger?

Jodi was used to telling her lies one-on-one to people who would never meet to compare them. Suddenly she escalated them to put herself into a corner where the lies mattered and could be verified for a reason.

I thought CA turned out correctly. Don't yell, and not really asking for discussion just stating an opinion.

JA's trial was over for me a long time ago. I watch for Juan's performance. He's outstanding. One of the truly great ones.

And that lie about 'losing' the charger was a weak one. If your phone charger is lost in your car, where is the first place you would look? Under your seat. So how is it she 'couldn't' find it--yet when she is recovering from a massive traumatic event, and coming out of a fog, she suddenly 'finds it' under her seat?

That is such an obvious lie, especially when coupled with the fact it gets lost as she enters Arizona, and is found as she leaves the state. :liar:

 

[kaydono]

This lawyer on this show did a really good job, earlier, in explaining, precisely, what felony murder is. The only example I give people is if someone who works at the bank, falls over dead from a heart attack, while the bank is being robbed, the robber can be charged with felony murder.

 

[polleypockets]

We need someone to interview Bobby

bobby and matt were room mates if iirc - thats how jodi met matt - you need to find bobby - he has gone into hiding from the court case i think

 

[TartLemon]

I think you're right. They found her guilty but they're going to spend Monday debating that danged camera in the washer issue, just to make her sweat.

lol

Hopefully.

BBM

Yeah, I was thinking that when they dismissed the 2 alternates. Maybe they decided on a foreman and took a quick vote to see where everyone was leaning because they could not discuss it.

 

[borndem]

I have a little bit more confidence since Nurmi asked for Manslaughter at the end of his closing. I'm surprised the TH's haven't been all over that one. Plus, he changed her story once again, not self-defense, crime of passion. This was changed during closings. Kind of really strge to see it done at literally, the last hour.

But, I will never, ever get my hopes up after that other verdict.

Same here, Angel! In that case NG was not even in my head -- but I was just too carried away by the horrible-ness of it to believe that not-guilty would be a thought. But they should have given the jury a couple of choices -- 2nd degree (which in reflection was prolly what really happened), or even manslaughter. I think a 2nd Degree Guilty would have been the verdict on that one... Ahhhh, it's so easy to look backward and get it right..

Anyway, it has made me so superstitious, I'm hesitant to even "Thank" a fellow poster when he/she writes confidently about it being a 1st Guilty. And this is a 1st degree guilty, or there never has been one.

Throughout this case we have all wondered and asked where's the beef when we never heard about self-defense. That is how JA explained it, but her attys really didn't (couldn't) do much with it. So today we hear what it should have been all along. The old "She just snapped" story. I don't think the jury will buy it. (Now I'm making myself more superstitious by just saying what I just did.... ). I'm gonna run & hide from myself now.

 

[MickyTwoShade]

Arias said she was lost because it's an alibi that doesn't depend on anyone else and paints her as 'ditzy'. Win win.

I find Nurmi's pleas to Arias' supposed intelligence quite amusing. 'If she was so smart, why did she do it this way?' First of all, they said her IQ was 112? That's not particularly high. At all. Also, intelligence ≠criminal sophistication. Moreover, all of those 'opportunities' Arias had to kill Travis: as much as she might share sociopathic traits, killing a person is still an undertaking. She may have been saddled with hesitation, doubt, and whatever else.

 

[Mellinyce]

They were roommates.

Bobby moved in with MM and MM was his boss I think.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I hope the jury returns a verdict of guilty.

 

[GoAskAllie]

The one thing I've never understood is one of his friends said the house stunk. I can't remember who said it, but I know it wasn't a roommate. It was someone who came over to check on him. Did the roommate not smell anything? I guess since they thought he was already in Cancun they were watching Napoleon? It sounds like the relationship with the roommate was rather distant IMO.

One guy had lived in the house since January 2008; the other had moved in two weeks before Travis's death. They were friendly, but not involved in each other's lives/on different schedules. In the few days immediately following Travis's murder, neither guy spent much time at the house. They came and went and didn't notice a smell. Zach (who had lived there since January) and his girlfriend took care of Napoleon as they often did when Travis was away. Both housemates said they assumed he'd already gone to Cancun. Assume the air conditioner was going full blast given how hot it is in Arizona in June, so that could have delayed the decomposition/temporarily abated the smell. That said, Mimi said the odor hit her the moment they walked in the door. There were other things that would have raised a red flag to me. One guy mentioned that Travis's watch and CTR ring (which he wore everywhere) were on the kitchen counter. His laptop and cell phone were still in his office--though I can't remember whether either guy said they went in there. That would have seemed very strange to me--but women sometimes pay more attention to those details than guys in their 20s.

 

[Ransom]

I, myself, have never smelled a dead body, human or animal, but I would wonder why my house all of a sudden stunk. I would make my son check the source of the smell for me. I would freak out if I saw a dead animal.

WTHeck are you going to do when your son grows up and moves away? Just want to warn you to ........ oh, never mind.

 

[Angelsunday]

I am. Natisha bought the gas can. It was $17 something.
Now she is headed to another Walmart to return it without a receipt and is waiting inline at customer service to see if she gets cash back...

I know it's stupid but I have nothing better to do.
So I am watching and tuning out the rest. :blushing:

I am watching right along with you. I missed the last part of JM final address of the jury as I had to take the kids to the circus. Watching HLN hoping to catch a clip or two. Hanging with it just to see how the Walmart " experiment" turns out. Cuz yeah. That's worth staying awake for. :facepalm:

Still and all, I've already seen clowns tonight, might as well watch a few on TV as well.:floorlaugh:

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

Mimi said that she noticed the smell as soon as she got inside the house. By the time the police got there, the door to Travis's bedroom was open, and the smell was very strong.

 

[panthera]

And if it were true she had returned it to another WalMart, the DT would have made very, very sure to verify that a long time ago. Which only confirms absolutely that it is nothing but more of their BS. :twocents:

You had better believe they would have!! Nurmi was grasping at straws.


MOO