verdict watch 5/7/2013 #2

[Trials R Us]

We are on the same page. I am not laughing at unfair treatment or anything like that. The :floorlaugh: is because IF he limits it to 40 a month, she is under that restriction right now. I think that is fair. (and if you watch the YouTube video filmed inside the Maricopa County Jail you will see that the girls in the "bunkbed" section of the jail get away with FAR MORE than should be allowed in any jail.) I agree that her having singing competitions, access to art supplies, very lax phone restrictions, etc is much more than other prisons allow. (having a relative who due to addiction issues has had several stints in jail or prison gives me far more info than I ever wanted about what is "normal" in a jail/prison setting).

Some are very against Sheriff Joe and say the things he does are against the prisoners "civil rights". I will be the first to admit that I don't have in-depth info on Sheriff Joe. However, the restrictions I have heard that he has on his jails are in no way abusive.
Because of a mention of the "chain gangs" here on WS, I looked up info about them during this trial. What I learned was that the "controversial" chain gangs are VOLUNTARY. No one is "forced" to be on the chain gang, and many choose it as it gets them outside, out of the prison walls, and some like the sense of "service" it gives them. IE: once a month the "chain gang" goes to a local pauper's cemetery and digs the graves for the indigent that need burials. There is an article that includes interviews of some of the women involved and they state it gives them a sense of service and honor to be a part of giving that person their final resting place. IMO

Some people are very against sheriff joe because he is a power hungry racist... Moo.

 

[Mare10]

While watching some videos, I came upon this one that had me :floorlaugh:

I thought I'd share. I needed a good laugh, I'm sure you do too.

[video=youtube;Zsfv_OWzd0w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsfv_OWzd0w[/video]

 

[bettybaby00]

she is innocent. not everyone communicates in a manner that the general public can understand. almost any writer, including this one, will tell you that while it is second-nature to clearly express oneself in written word, it is absolutely petrifying and nearly impossible to express oneself in conversation.

perhaps those who do not believe her should actually read her book. and no, i haven't done so. but i can relate to her awkwardness and also, to many of those things others find so questionable about her behavior.

she is no jodi arias. the mere suggestion is ludicrous. imo.

I was watching the interview...it was very interesting, but I felt chris was being very harsh. I know he's trying to get the "untold story," but he isn't LE, and trying to act like a hard-assed detective isn't a good look on him!!!!

I don't really know much about the story, but I felt she was coming across as sincere. I get what you're saying about being awkward as well. It's especially hard when you know every word is being scrutinized.

I should check out the board.

And with that I'm off...night, I hope tomorrow is the day!

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

She never saved the start of the conversation. It was probably her fantasy !


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Yes - Isn't that interesting. Who knows? We know Dr. DeMarte said she was very immature with her personality disorder. Maybe she liked TA to talk to her like a 12-year old. We don't know. It's my opinion, she caught TA when asleep and told him to express all of his fantasies as if she were a little girl. We don't know.

 

[MidwestMama]

Hey there Frayed :seeya: We are at the hospital for his 2nd round of chemo. Last night was rough on him. He just sat in the bed and cried. I feel so hopeless....not knowing what to say to him. Thank you Frayed, it really means a lot!

He is finally resting.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/944937_593143574037773_859014038_n.jpg

Ah geez Rosemary, I am so sorry your son and your family are going through this. One thing I think everyone on this board could agree to (and those are RARE tonight :floorlaugh is:

CHEMO SUCKS! and CANCER SUCKS!

I'm sorry he had a rough night. Just know I am sending prayers of healing and peace for you and your family!
xoxo

 

[Garlandy]

We had a stalker for many years. Sometimes we discovered where he parked. (he had several hidden spots) as well as using a taxi at times. Anyway, IMO Jodi had cased the neighborhood, knowing the places to go undetected.
Thats my "lived it victim" opinion.

I agree about JA casing the neighbourhood. In her mind she left no stone unturned and would have been very proud of the plan. Being the viciim of a stalker also, nothing at all people like that do will shock me. Stalkers are the most devious, manipulating, lying, cunning and evil people that live on this planet and worst of all they are extremely dangerous. And because of their traits it can sometimes take awhile before the victim even realizes they are being stalked...again because they are so devious. Thankfully they eventually get careless in their excitement of their sick behaviours.

 

[aa9511]

Hey Guys,

Like most everyone here, I believe that JA is guilty of first degree capital murder and should get the death penalty for what she did to TA. Anything LESS than a capital murder conviction in this case is an injustice! I have a horrifying thought though. Do you all remember that the jury in Casey Anthony's trial couldn't convict on anything, (except her lying to police) because they could not determine how Caylee died?

The horror and shock I have is, could their be a remote chance that this jury could acquit JA and later they say, "Well, we couldn't agree on any of the murder or manslaughter charges, so we had to acquit." Or is that too far-fetched?

I hear that the longer a jury deliberates, the better it is for the prosecution. JA's claims of self-defense in this case are disgusting and insulting to our justice system.

Satch

I don't know, I'm so nervious right now I can't think straight. I just hope they didn't elect a doofus foreman like the Casey jury foreman. I have a feeling the foreman on this jury is directing them to go through ALL the testimony/evidence from Day 1 of the trial going all the way through the end. And for them to be taking this long, I feel like he/she has told the jury "ok let's just not focus on the lying, because just because she lied doesn't mean she did it (as in premeditation)." I just have this gut feeling that what this jury is doing is just disregarding the lying aspect of it, even her lying on the stand. Who knows, maybe they believed her when she said her brain got scrambled when Juan was questioning her??
Agghhh!!! I feel like we're never gonna get the "Trial Verdict Watch" big bold letters on the bottom of HLN OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AZWatcher]

Some people are very against sheriff joe because he is a power hungry racist... Moo.

He's also known for ugly dirty publicity stunts that make a mockery of AZ.

 

[fruity]

Fruity, you do not speak for WS. There are many threads here on WS (missing persons, cold cases) and I don't think you shoud speak for everyone.

Okay I'll be more specific.

Nobody here in this thread that FrayedKnot was accusing of waiting to hurt her child is doing so or has that wish. Nobody she was discussing the sex tape with is cool with the sexual abuse or rape of children.

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to put words in their mouth, I'm just believing what they say when they post and say "that's not what I'm talking about".

 

[ElleElle]

Jodi did not kill Travis right away because she was giving him one more chance to take her forever. When she realized they would not be together forever, she killed him. Plan A, then Plan B. Premed is also the grandparent's stolen gun and the gas cover-up to be under the radar in AZ.

I don't know what that issue is, but if I were on this jury, i'd be bored right about now.

I love your post and agree with you on most of it except I have a problem with the bolded part.

Since Nurmi said this, I've heard so many people changing their minds from premed to a lesser charge. I've heard lots of people say that Nurmi was brilliant to say this because it casts so much doubt over premed.

Why didn't Jodi kill Travis when she first arrived? Why not while watching videos at 4am? Why not while Travis slept?

I have 1 thing to say:

I hope to God that this jury is smart enough to remember that Travis did NOT live alone. I can't imagine anyone would consider murdering someone while there were other people in the house unless they were completely insane or planning on killing them too.

I do agree that it's GREAT defense tactic only as to confuse the jury. Like I said, I hope the jury is smarter than that and has some common sense.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

While watching some videos, I came upon this one that had me :floorlaugh:

I thought I'd share. I needed a good laugh, I'm sure you do too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsfv_OWzd0w

I'm not watching your video but even looking at this guy makes us crack up laughing - We are just normal folks and I'm sure the jurors feel the same way.

 

[Steely Dan]

For those with time and worry, I'd recommend listening to Tricia's show from Sunday where Chris Hughes talks for nearly 3 hours about his relationship with Travis and many unspoken aspects of this case. Or just ff to the end where he gives a "What Would Travis Say" speech of sorts which is very inspiring. If you're worried, it will make you feel better I feel sure.

Just a suggestion:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websle...as-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern

Hey SugarPlum, I missed it by not feeling well. Maybe I'll listen to it tomorrow when I'm on verdict watch.

BTW, I saw you on HLN today being interviewed about the fund drive for Travis' family. They even put the Websleuths logo up for a couple of seconds. Has there been a bump in contributions from that?

Jodi Arias threatened to expose the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints if her case went to trial.

She was exploiting a cultural element present in Mormon society which says that church members should never do anything to put the church in bad light. She is suggesting that the Alexander family should "save" the church by taking her plea.

It has nothing to do with Travis being important in the church (which he was not). It has to do with her threatening to expose some of the sexual excuses that single young people use as rationalizations to have sex. All these anal/oral rationalizations have been thoroughly discussed in the church in the seventies. It was parsed to death and specific instructions were given that ALL sexual conduct is prohibited, not just vaginal intercourse.

So what is she exposing? That young men rationalize premarital sex to young women who are new members? Maybe, so what? It is nothing that hundreds of thousands of other young people have done, been forgiven and gone on with their faithful Mormon lives. Not exactly a revelation.

It is not Travis Alexander who is thought to be so important, it is her, Jodi Arias, the one with secrets. I believe that this beeyotch has kept every old boyfriend she ever had tied to her leather dominatrix belt by the secrets she knew about them. She is very comfortable with blackmail. This is how she has manipulated all these men (notice the lack of women?) She gets them to go along with her "creative" sex ideas and then threatens to tell their wives and their girlfriends that they made her take it up the a$$ or whatever (and ruin their present relationship).

So its nothing for her to threaten the whole male-dominated Mormon church with the idea that she has secrets they might not want revealed.

There is nothing that bishop didn't already know. The members all rat on each other and especially if a blonde bombshell showed up sucking ears and licking necks--are you kidding? There would be tire marks on the pavement those ladies would be reporting that so fast!

I am so glad the Alexander family didn't shake like chihuahuas when the three hold wonder did her fear dance.

Poor Travis missed the fourth hole, doncha know? The one in her head that makes her think she's going to get away with this.

:scared: People at the height of their hormonal needs skirting the rules!!! HOW DARE THEY!!

I dont like that. Why is there any reason to laugh? really? yes I know they have lives.

When I'm under tremendous pressure or in a situation that makes me blue. I'll laugh even while it's still going on. If it's brief I won't, but I can't keep from laughing for more than a few hours. If those people were serious 24/7 since the trial started they'd need to be institutionalized. JMO

 

[TexasGirlie]

Let's pull together rather than apart...said the team of horses.


I for one, am not going to let JA manipulate and control or influence one more minute of my day. I will not allow her actions to cause me to lose my temper on here and fight with one of you and I'm HOPING that you all follow me down this brighter and better path.

If you TRULY WANT JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS DO NOT FIGHT OVER JA.

Great post! Thank u...I definitely needed to hear/read that.

 

[Karmady]

Does it make me a bad person if I do? Her arrogance is just infuriating to me. The tweets ... the laughing in court... All of it. I do get some relief thinking her life sucks. I hate to see anyone enjoy life in any way shape or form after they took another for no good reason.

I'm not the arbiter of good and bad people. I was speaking only for myself. Everyone's entitled to their feelings and opinions. The questions I always ask myself is "is this feeling/emotion positive or productive" and "is it harmonious with my self-image." I could get even more touchy/feely than that, but I'll leave it there. jmo

eta: and I'm not trying to be the arbiter. I was just saying that those kinds of smily's in responses to my posts are inconsistent with my personal pov. There will never be a time when I find vengeance (as I perceive it) "floorlaugh" funny.

 

[thefragile7393]

Ok, I gotta say I'm just so disappointed. I wasn't home all day, so I recorded HLN and avoided any internet news so that I wouldn't see the verdict if it came today, which I was sure it was. I just fast forwarded through everything on HLN today and.....NOTHING. Clock said 13:30 at the end of the day.
For God's sake...what could be taking so long??? All they have to do is calculate and analyze gas receipts from Arco, calculate and analyze gas receipts from Tesoro and look at Jodi's testimony regarding the gas cans. Let's say for calculations I'll give them 1 hour to calculate and discuss, give them another hour to go through their notes/Jodi's testimony...2 HOURS BAM DONE. What is so complicated about this?? It does not take 13 hours and counting to do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She slaughtered an unarmed man (using NG's words)...this verdict is not rocket science. I told my sister that this woman/hyena stabbed a guy 27 (29?) times and slit his throat and shot him and says she can't remember it now...my sister did not hesitate and said no way no possible, how can someone not remember that? She's lying.
I am really really worried now. It does not take 13 hours to do this. I think they are over-analyzing things. If you tell anyone on the street what happened, they will give you a verdict in one minute, and it will be the CORRECT verdict.

OJ took 5 hours and look what happened. Scott Peterson 9 (or 10) days and DP. We can't always have everything now now now. If they want to be thorough then let them be thorough. A 5 month trial does not non culminate in an immediate verdict...obvious as it may be. I would rather have them do 10 days and come back with the right verdict vs 5 hours and come back with the absolute WRONG verdict.

 

[mjkins]

Penance?

J/k


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WHOO HOOO :liar:

 

[AZWatcher]

I love your post and agree with you on most of it except I have a problem with the bolded part.

Since Nurmi said this, I've heard so many people changing their minds from premed to a lesser charge. I've heard lots of people say that Nurmi was brilliant to say this because it casts so much doubt over premed.

Why didn't Jodi kill Travis when she first arrived? Why not while watching videos at 4am? Why not while Travis slept?

I have 1 thing to say:

I hope to God that this jury is smart enough to remember that Travis did NOT live alone. I can't imagine anyone would consider murdering someone while there were other people in the house unless they were completely insane or planning on killing them too.

I do agree that it's GREAT defense tactic only as to confuse the jury. Like I said, I hope the jury is smarter than that and has some common sense.

I thought that was a silly argument he made. Surprised anyone was moved by that at all. Your counter point is excellent.

 

[cece5300]

You kow what? I don't think there are holdouts. At least, I HOPE there aren't any.

A sudden peace just came over me. Everyone - Juan, the Alexander's, everyone who loves Travis, KCL, our fellow websleuthers, everyone has come together over wanting justice for Travis. The case is entirely in the jury's hands now. I have prayed and prayed and prayed for a Murder 1 Guilty verdict, I can't humanly imagine a lesser sentence. Even if I don't believe in the DP I would still go for Murder 1 and LWOP. I can only hope the jury feels the same, but now all we can do is wait. We are all letting this outcome consume us and it is at times unhealthy.

Tomorrow I am going to go about my daily business, finish painting the furniture I started painting today, take my kiddo to the beach if the weather is nice, busy myself with housework, watch some mindless tv on Netflix, and if a verdict comes, my text messages will notify me. There's no harm in banding together to chat and be with each other while we wait for the verdict, but with all the negative emotions going around and all of the doubting, it's going to drive us crazy!

If / when a verdict is in, I will be here with you all. Hopefully one day soon we will have a Guilty Murder 1 verdict! Hoping for justice for sweet Travis and his family and Nap. Please, justice system, get it right this time. Please.

 

[ElleElle]

Ah yes. Dr. Samuels who coined the phrase "Alternate reality". :floorlaugh:

It was also quite apparent he had a crush on Jodi.

While watching some videos, I came upon this one that had me :floorlaugh:

I thought I'd share. I needed a good laugh, I'm sure you do too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsfv_OWzd0w

 

[Isabelle]

Lovely. They're "laughing a lot". No one who has anything to do with TA is laughing at all.

moo

Could be they are becoming delirious.