Verdict Watch Discussion Thread

[meterclicks]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 9m9 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Heading back to the courthouse today to watch for the jury at the #Bosma trial to deliver a verdict. #timbosma #hamont #sc

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2h2 hours ago
Tim #Bosma murder trial convenes at 10 a.m. so jury can hear audio recording of testimony regarding "pact" between two of Millard's pals.

 

[JPC]

Another day, another DM revelation. This guy is trouble. Rules do not apply to him
http://www.chch.com/day-2-deliberations/


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[andreww]

Yes, I believe that the crown has not proven the case against MS beyond a reasonable doubt as it has with DM. I recognise that a terrible tragedy has occurred in the death of TB and am also sympathetic to the great losses suffered by many others who have also been affected by DM's Psychosis including MB, MS's mother and family and MS himself. Yes, MS has a police record for various crimes, likes rap, dresses poorly and looks "sketchy" but so do millions of others who have not committed a murder. What is proven beyond a doubt was that he was with DM that night and helped clean up, everything else is ones own perception and conjecture of the facts.
Having said that, my post(s) where in reply to a query on how would I explain MS's text about the drugs and the other "thing". After hearing conflicting testimony from AM & MH regarding the "thing" I offered my explanation with the words "could have" and of course MOO.

There's your problem right there. You are only buying in to what can be proven beyond a doubt. But the crown has proved beyond reasonable doubt that Smich did know about the plan to kill TB but you want it to be "beyond a doubt".

 

[meterclicks]

Was this ever posted? I don't recall seeing it...

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys Jun 12
I created this Venn diagram to show where each of the three sides stands on some of the #Bosma trial’s key issues:



http://news.nationalpost.com/news/three-way-finger-pointing-where-do-the-defendants-and-the-prosecution-stand-on-the-details-of-tim-bosmas-killing

 

[deugirtni]

When I was re-reading MH's testimony tonight, I noticed a few things that differed in his testimony and AM's.

1. They met at the park (which matches the text messages, but AM said they met at the house)
2. AM told him DM would want the toolbox to go to Smich (AM said Smich asked for it)
3. They each took an item down the stairs (I think AM said that MH took both items down)
4. After the drop, they took the dog to AM's house (AM said it was at MH's until MB and CN asked for it)
5. He said AM told him the blue and grey backpack had been given to him by Millard and he didn't know what was in it - assumed weed because of the smell (AM says he put the weed in the bag after Smich asked for it)

When did LE show up at DM's house? AM told MH that they had raided the house that morning (Saturday) and he didn't know what to do. I thought it was later that they came?

There is a lot wrong with each of AM's and MH's testimonies. Those two were still lying even when they were on the stand, imho. On top of the stuff mentioned in your last paragraph, I believe it was also said that AM was at work at Campbell's on those days... so... did the house get raided when AM wasn't present? And if so, how did he know, and when did he find out, and when was this info relayed to MH? And if the house had been raided on the Saturday before AM and MH got together to drop their goodies, then when was it said that CN and MB went to Maplegate to fetch all of that cash? If the cash was there (wasn't it said to be up to $6000 or something?) during the raid, would police have confiscated it, presuming it was from drug deals?

 

[CJPRINCESS]

So you still think that AM is trying to frame Smich? That his testimony was all lies? What would be his motivation at this point in time?

People tell lies for many reasons that we will never understand. There was a murder case back in 2001 where all the involved players lied and the two accused men even lied to keep those other players away. None of these people talk anymore, they were a very close knit group before the murder happened. Why did they lie? I don't have a clue but what these people knew would have gotten more then just ONE conviction in this case! Yes I know some of the Players through my daughters biological donation (father) and yes I talked to a cop friend that said, case closed, move on, word against word. These other people didn't get charged because there wasn't any evidence of their involvement or knowledge.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

There is a lot wrong with each of AM's and MH's testimonies. Those two were still lying even when they were on the stand, imho. On top of the stuff mentioned in your last paragraph, I believe it was also said that AM was at work at Campbell's on those days... so... did the house get raided when AM wasn't present? And if so, how did he know, and when did he find out, and when was this info relayed to MH? And if the house had been raided on the Saturday before AM and MH got together to drop their goodies, then when was it said that CN and MB went to Maplegate to fetch all of that cash? If the cash was there (wasn't it said to be up to $6000 or something?) during the raid, would police have confiscated it, presuming it was from drug deals?

I believe CN and MB picked up the cash from DM'S house the night he was arrested. The drugs and gun were moved the next day (11th) before the raid. AM said he put the drugs in his car and parked it on the road somewhere.

 

[andreww]

There is a lot wrong with each of AM's and MH's testimonies. Those two were still lying even when they were on the stand, imho. On top of the stuff mentioned in your last paragraph, I believe it was also said that AM was at work at Campbell's on those days... so... did the house get raided when AM wasn't present? And if so, how did he know, and when did he find out, and when was this info relayed to MH? And if the house had been raided on the Saturday before AM and MH got together to drop their goodies, then when was it said that CN and MB went to Maplegate to fetch all of that cash? If the cash was there (wasn't it said to be up to $6000 or something?) during the raid, would police have confiscated it, presuming it was from drug deals?

This case is tricky because each of the witnesses is likely altering their version of events to minimize their own actions. Add to this that we are talking about an event that happened 3 years previous and that all the players probably spent a significant amount of time either drunk or high. There are obviously going to be variations, but notably not one witness said that gun was forced on Smich. The way that I see it is that every one of them is lying about not knowing what was in that toolbox (again, minimizing involvement). We know now that the game plan was to get the gun back to Isho, who better to do that than Smich, now that Millard was locked up?

 

[loveisthemovement]

More details the jury didn't hear.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6723123-x-rated-letters-a-second-gun-and-a-drug-smuggling-cubby-20-more-things-the-bosma-jury-was-never-t/

 

[leafs_fan93]

The "getting the drugs conversation" came in a series of calls from MS to AM as per AM testimony
(funny how convenient that is)

Texts were from AM phone as he deleted them because he was "scared"
The actual text says - "Tell him where it's at, and ask him to bring it to me along with the other thing" - April 13 2016

Tell him where it's at - (the weed) and ask him to bring it to me along with the (other thing) - toolbox full of oxy, coke, and whatever other drugs they held.
There's no way at a party weed is kept in a "locked" toolbox. Ever been to a party?

The rest of the conversation is as told by AM - and either him or MH lied on the stand since their stories did not line up

Somewhere along the line it was "added in" or assumed that MS said bring me the drugs along with the other thing. Which changes the entire thing completely doesnt it.

Also, MMtestified that she was in the room when MS spoke to AM and that he only asked for the drugs, never for a gun.

 

[DMB]

So you still think that AM is trying to frame Smich? That his testimony was all lies? What would be his motivation at this point in time?

His statements were made several years ago and not in this point in time. His motivation was removing himself from having any knowledge whatsoever in any part of DM's cover up and avoiding AATF charges. My question is why would MH lie and this apparently is what is being discussed regarding the question answered by the judge this morning. MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

So you still think that AM is trying to frame Smich? That his testimony was all lies? What would be his motivation at this point in time?

I think it doesn't matter what I think since we obviously don't agree, but since you asked ...
I think AM was way too close to the situation and got himself arrested - had he been in the vehicle with DM that night, he'd be on trial for M1 and I could see him going away for life.
I do not feel he was a creditable witness, he was DM's close friend and absolutely lied for him, then and now - if you're asking about motivation, ask yourself why any of the key players lied for DM (also ask yourself if CN is telling the truth and didn't actually get in contact with AM to tell him anything DM said in the letters, all we know is she SAID she didn't, which I don't believe for a second)

AM couldn't even keep his story straight about the backpack. Tells MH it was given to him by DM
But apparently according to AM he didn't see DM after May 7. So how was the backpack given to him by DM??
On May 7, DM told him he stole the truck, but the next thing he knows DM is arrested May 10.
He lived with the guy .. ya ok.
MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

This case is tricky because each of the witnesses is likely altering their version of events to minimize their own actions. Add to this that we are talking about an event that happened 3 years previous and that all the players probably spent a significant amount of time either drunk or high. There are obviously going to be variations, but notably not one witness said that gun was forced on Smich. The way that I see it is that every one of them is lying about not knowing what was in that toolbox (again, minimizing involvement). We know now that the game plan was to get the gun back to Isho, who better to do that than Smich, now that Millard was locked up?

BBM
So you think 3 yrs later these guys are all clean, don't drink and off the drugs? Something like alcohol, coke or oxy isn't a habit that is just "kicked"
And who better then MS to get the gun back to isho, but IMO MS didn't ask for it, or it hasn't been proven he did

 

[DMB]

There is a lot wrong with each of AM's and MH's testimonies. Those two were still lying even when they were on the stand, imho. On top of the stuff mentioned in your last paragraph, I believe it was also said that AM was at work at Campbell's on those days... so... did the house get raided when AM wasn't present? And if so, how did he know, and when did he find out, and when was this info relayed to MH? And if the house had been raided on the Saturday before AM and MH got together to drop their goodies, then when was it said that CN and MB went to Maplegate to fetch all of that cash? If the cash was there (wasn't it said to be up to $6000 or something?) during the raid, would police have confiscated it, presuming it was from drug deals?

And where was Pedo? Wouldn't they have taken him as well as they knew DM was arrested and someone would have to take him?

 

[matou]

Gah. I wish our court system would leave the stone age. Also, get to work by 9 am like everyone else. Ridiculous. JMO

 

[canadiangirl]

And where was Pedo? Wouldn't they have taken him as well as they knew DM was arrested and someone would have to take him?

MH says they dropped Pedo at his grandma's

 

[Tealgrove]

Another day, another DM revelation. This guy is trouble. Rules do not apply to him
http://www.chch.com/day-2-deliberations/


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Interesting. I wonder if the shiv was intended for "Treacherous Mark"?

 

[canadiangirl]

Also, MMtestified that she was in the room when MS spoke to AM and that he only asked for the drugs, never for a gun.

She must be protecting the guy she has no use for. She said after MS was arrested she saw no point in continuing contact with him.
She's also pretty credible IMO

 

[matou]

I wonder if Millard will be charged for that shiv and possession of a knife and marijuana while in jail.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I wonder if Millard will be charged for that shiv and possession of a knife and marijuana while in jail.

I dunno, but it sure ain't helping his case! Too bad the Jury doesn't know this stuff. People/witnesses were saying..oh he was nice, never violent (well except Uncle Robert) and this just further shows me that he is violent in nature and thinks he's above the law!

He got nothing for the letters to CN and SS, so I'm sure he'll get slapped on the hand and told not to do it again!