Verdict Watch Discussion Thread

[JuneBug67]

Still curious why there wasn't a 'causing an indignity to a human body' charge from LE to the accused. It seems common on other cases where has been tampering with the body.

I can't say why but I think one impact is that it removes the possibility of at least finding an accused guilty of something. In this case the jury would have to let at least one of the men walk completely if they can't find culpability in Tim's death. I think that would be very hard to do given the facts and circumstances. So I think it benefits the Crown in a sense to not have any of these lesser charges available because the jury is forced to face letting somebody go completely. If it tuned out to be a bad gamble the Crown has another chance with LB.

 

[canadiangirl]

i think...4 hours. This has been a long process and they have had plenty of time to think. I just don't think it is gonna take long.

Well they have already been out for 4 hrs. They left to deliberate at approx 430pm. And asked their question to the judge at approx 815pm. Unless they wake up tomorrow with a verdict immediately (which by their question sounds like they aren't even close), I'd say "hours" for a verdict is unlikely. JMO

ETA it's not an individual process. It's a team effort and discussion

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Things need to be brought up to modern technology. They should at least have the same tweet list we do.

I don't think they need a Tweet list. But it is ridiculous that a question is asked, and answered based on the judges notes and input from the lawyers memory. It's recorded and transcribed is it not? Give them the tape.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Kinda indicates to me this won't be a 4 hr decision as people thought it would. Good for them.. I think this already proves they are taking this seriously and discussing everything they remember.

Good point although I would hope at some point the foreperson gets them to skip over things if they aren't important.

 

[flipflop]

I know. Seems surreal. All the way back to very first day Tim went missing in 2013. So many familiar names here but a log never made it back for trial who were very active back then sadly...

I wonder how many on here were actually players in this case. I can think of a few names that have not been on here since an arrest or two were made.

 

[canadiangirl]

I don't think they need a Tweet list. But it is ridiculous that a question is asked, and answered based on the judges notes and input from the lawyers memory. It's recorded and transcribed is it not? Give them the tape.

But they can't. The tape would have every single word said inside the courtroom.

 

[Claroon]

Thanks...what time will they start in the morning? And was this their decision? Did they set up a timetable?

"It is expected the jurors will deliberate from 9:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. each day. That will be their available window to decide on a verdict. "http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-trial-what-the-jury-didnt-hear-1.3631268?cmp=rss

 

[Claroon]

DM's mother sure has made herself scarce.

I think it was mentioned that she was summoned by the defense (or crown, can't remember which) and any witness summoned can't be in the courtroom until or unless they're called.
Poor woman, likely devastated, embarrassed, and whatever else can be said. IMO

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

But they can't. The tape would have every single word said inside the courtroom.

You can divide the thing up into each witness. I'm assuming it isn't on an actual tape but save digitally.

 

[JuneBug67]

Don't we still just have a court reporter transcribing?

 

[JuneBug67]

I think it was mentioned that she was summoned by the defense (or crown, can't remember which) and any witness summoned can't be in the courtroom until or unless they're called.
Poor woman, likely devastated, embarrassed, and whatever else can be said. IMO

Yes. Her only child. Has to be terrible. All the things you said plus shame, heartbreak, guilt...maybe doubt. Doubt would probably be such a torment.

 

[canadiangirl]

You can divide the thing up into each witness. I'm assuming it isn't on an actual tape but save digitally.

Within those witnesses, there's legal arguments which may or may not be admissible or things said without the jury present. Court reporting is actually very intense. Sometimes there's someone there actually on a special steno machine which is like a shorthand machine with 21 keys. They also transcribe by actually recording the trial, and then going home and transcribe from the recording onto a computer. Sometimes one or both. I'm guessing in a trial like this it'd be both and no way the jury would be given those for reference.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

Things need to be brought up to modern technology. They should at least have the same tweet list we do.

Today the judge said that all of the exhibits are brought to the jury room where they can examine or not examine, as they see fit. If they have a question he said (from my handwritten notes):
He will be available and able to answer questions. Failing that, He will review his notes if needed. Transcripts if needed, or tape recorded playbacks

 

[Claroon]

Why would DM buy a gun off of Isho when it seems that he was going to return it to him later, either clean or dirty?

Rental fee?

 

[hellkat2]

Without a doubt, they're extremely dangerous psychopaths and should never walk our streets again. It's one thing to have a lone psycho on the loose, but when I think how DM & MS complimented each other, it sends shivers down my spine. I have confidence in our system- that the Jury has enough info to find them both guilty as charged. Not unlike the MR trial where he was found guilty even though mounds of evidence was never heard. I think the same thing will happen here.

I have to admit- waiting for a verdict is stressful and it's only just begun! I'm still holding out on my prediction that we'll see it on Thursday afternoon. They'll work thru a lot tomorrow. MOO

I hope that they keep Big Iisho Matthew Ward Jackson in a concrete brick cell for a long time as well.

 

[huntergerrard]

Today at the courthouse, I noticed that DM was wearing a ring on 4th finger on his right hand. It was a dark band, it looked black or charcoal and could have been some other kind of material instead of a real ring, hard to determine. (In many other countries it is customary to wear wedding rings on your right hand instead of your right). I did not see him wearing it in the afternoon though. I did observe best as I could and did not see any 'supporters' for him. He doesn't lift his hands that much, and is left handed when writing, hard to notice in the first place.

At the beginning of the trial I believe it was Susan Clairmont that reported he was wearing what ended up being a hair elastic around his finger.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

Interesting to note: today judge was talking to jury about 'assertions that lawyers made that had no foundation and therefore were not evidence.'
One of the items was that 'chopping wood was suggested to be an act of dismemberment'

 

[leafs_fan93]

I still think it may have been one or two jurors thinking they heard about a trip to get gas and the only way to get that juror(s) to drop it was to hear it from the judge. IMO.

Agreed. I think it's possible one of the jurors was confusing it with DM leaving the hangar in the Yukon to get gas

 

[Sillybilly]

A number of posts, and questions/responses to them, have been removed because the information contained is unverifiable.

A few others have been removed because they are enquiring about or referring to other members. Please don't speculate or sleuth on other WSers.

:tyou:

 

[jash]

MS's entire life hasn't been fully exposed at all. I have a feeling that there is just as much about MS's life that has been argued out. Remember, we are only hearing a tiny portion of the legal arguments today as most will be under publication ban until the LB trial is over.

LH said in her interview on the news how many things such as texts, rap lyrics, and other things I can't remember, were argued out and will be under publication ban until LB's trial.

IMO, MS isn't nearly as squeaky clean as he wants us to think.

It is curious why some things were deemed admissible, but others not. One day I just happened to be at the courthouse while legal arguments were going on and I caught a few moments. MS's counsel (not TD) was trying to get some photos in of DM and guns/ammunition from a trip to Nevada. She was arguing that since MS's raps, which were prejudicial to her client, were allowed, the photos should also be allowed. She must have lost the argument, but I'd love to know the judge's reasoning.