***VERDICT WATCH*** Jimmy Rodgers Trial Thread (livestream) Days 1-11 2019.10.10-22

[beach]

But guilty of what? The jury instructions include about 7 different possible charges.
Murder 1- premeditated
Murder 1- felony not premeditated
Murder 2- out of passion
Murder 2- in defense
Manslaughter
Conspiracy to commit murder
Burglary while armed in a dwelling
Burglary while armed in a structure
Burglary unarmed in a dwelling
Burglary unarmed in a structure
Trespassing in a dwelling
Trespassing in a structure

It’s a long list for jurors to navigate, so I think it will take all day, and tomorrow maybe too.

Yes. Basically 11 separate deliberations.

Not a quick process usually.

 

[Kakidoll]

I have no clue how i'd fill out all those different charges. I missed it possibly. Is it burglary or trespassing if Mark gave them the code to get in? I'm torn on Murder 1 and murder 2/passion. Part of my thinks JR was a targeted hitman and was fine with it.. but then i think he was there as a helper and in the 'heat of the moment' lost control... thus the passion. I'd prefer to go with Murder 1, but i would need to read those instructions again.

 

[Scalex]

Random impression -

This jury is working hard. They listened to that long readback and took a later lunch. Lunch was fast because wasn't long before they were asking for the copies of instructions.

Sounds like they elected a good foreman who is keeping them focused and on task.

Yep I agree. It seemed to me that they worked right through their lunch. Tells me they all care about the result of the trial. None of them are sleeping through this.

 

[Scalex]

I have no clue how i'd fill out all those different charges. I missed it possibly. Is it burglary or trespassing if Mark gave them the code to get in? I'm torn on Murder 1 and murder 2/passion. Part of my thinks JR was a targeted hitman and was fine with it.. but then i think he was there as a helper and in the 'heat of the moment' lost control... thus the passion. I'd prefer to go with Murder 1, but i would need to read those instructions again.

Mark didn’t give jimmy Rodgers permission to be in the house. Only CWW. So if the state proved he was in the home, the state proved trespassing. If the state proved he took items from the home, then the state proved burglary. If the state proved he had a weapon then he was armed.

 

[TTF14]

But guilty of what? The jury instructions include about 7 different possible charges.
Murder 1- premeditated
Murder 1- felony not premeditated
Murder 2- out of passion
Murder 2- in defense
Manslaughter
Conspiracy to commit murder
Burglary while armed in a dwelling
Burglary while armed in a structure
Burglary unarmed in a dwelling
Burglary unarmed in a structure
Trespassing in a dwelling
Trespassing in a structure

It’s a long list for jurors to navigate, so I think it will take all day, and tomorrow maybe too.

Murder 1 and conspiracy for sure. I'm on the fence about burglary, but guilty of trespassing too.

Nothing really matters past murder 1 and conspiracy, IMO.

 

[Emi]

[URL='https://twitter.com/TaylorPetras']Taylor Petras @TaylorPetras [/URL]
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VERDICT WATCH: We’re coming up on four hours of deliberations in the Jimmy Rodgers trial @winknews

 

[TTF14]

Yes. Basically 11 separate deliberations.

Not a quick process usually.

Say they are unanimous about the murder charge, conspiracy, and one of the others - burglary or trespassing, whatever, but hung on all others.....the judge wouldn't send them back to work on it, would he??

 

[beach]

Mark didn’t give jimmy Rodgers permission to be in the house. Only CWW. So if the state proved he was in the home, the state proved trespassing. If the state proved he took items from the home, then the state proved burglary. If the state proved he had a weapon then he was armed.

Re the burglary charge - are you positive something had to be taken from the home? Asking bc you would think so, but I swear I thought I heard Kyle say nothing had to be taken. I remember it because I did a double-take. I'm gonna see if I can locate it quickly on the video you posted.

 

[Scalex]

Say they are unanimous about the murder charge, conspiracy, and one of the others - burglary or trespassing, whatever, but hung on all others.....the judge wouldn't send them back to work on it, would he??

No you have to choose between murder 1, 2 or maslaughter. Then choose between burglary, and lesser charges.
Unanimous on those would be choosing everything.

 

[TTF14]

No you have to choose between murder 1, 2 or maslaughter. Then choose between burglary, and lesser charges.
Unanimous on those would be choosing everything.

Ah ok. I didn't listen to the jury instructions (obvi).

 

[Scalex]

Re the burglary charge - are you positive something had to be taken from the home? Asking bc you would think so, but I swear I thought I heard Kyle say nothing had to be taken. I remember it because I did a double-take. I'm gonna see if I can locate it quickly on the video you posted.

The way the judge said it this morning is that nothing had to be taken for you to decide JRs intent to go there to be considered a burglary, not a murder. That was my understanding. But it’s in the instructions, I’ll listen again.

 

[beach]

Here is a video of the judge giving the Jury instructions this morning :

Instructions on burglary begins around the 12:00 mark. "Theft OR Murder" I think that is the key phrase. OR - tiny two letter word but means a lot right here

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Re the burglary charge - are you positive something had to be taken from the home? Asking bc you would think so, but I swear I thought I heard Kyle say nothing had to be taken. I remember it because I did a double-take. I'm gonna see if I can locate it quickly on the video you posted.

Where did the, iirc, hammer come from that Jimmy had in his cooler?

 

[beach]

Where did the, iirc, hammer come from that Jimmy had in his cooler?

I don't believe that was ever made clear.

 

[Emi]

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[Scalex]

Instructions on burglary begins around the 12:00 mark. "Theft OR Murder" I think that is the key phrase. OR - tiny two letter word but means a lot right here

Yes I think they just have to prove he has been in the house, and had the intent to commit a crime, either crime, doesn’t matter which.

 

[beach]

I'm going to do everyone a favor -
I have to run a quick errand. I am sure they will announce a verdict while I am gone. You're welcome.

 

[Emi]

[URL='https://twitter.com/Jake_Allen19']Jake Allen [URL='https://twitter.com/Jake_Allen19']@Jake_Allen19 [/URL][/URL]18s

The jury was sent back for deliberations about six hours ago in the #RodgersTrial. No verdict yet.


[URL='https://twitter.com/jbevis10']Jaclyn Bevis @jbevis10 [/URL]1m

If you're following at home, you haven't missed anything. The jury deliberation continues after 5 hours and counting. They asked for Shomaker's testimony re-read and copies of jury instructions for everyone. #trialtweets #jimmyrodgersontrial #teresasievers #nbc2courtcoverage

 

[katydid23]

Jake Allen‏Verified account @Jake_Allen19 1m1 minute ago
The jurors are asking for copies of the jury instructions for all of them.

Makes me think we have a lot of 'individualists.' Hope they can get on the same page. They might be having a lot of internal disagreements in interpretation of testimony?

 

[katydid23]

They either HAVE a verdict and just want to make sure paperwork is correct.... or are debating between 2. I think its a good sign.

I hope so. I am worried that there are divisive elements within.