VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 43, Part 2

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Really? Can you give a link supporting the statement "Texas has had a lot of problems with putting people on death row, only to exonerate them later"?

What evil would Jodi have to do that, in your opinion, would qualify her as the worst of the worst?

This had it at all been true qualifies for sure for me.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/anthony-graves-becomes-12th-death-row-inmate-exonerated-texas
However he was railroaded and then had to be set free.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just read somewhere that, if this jury deadlocks, the decision goes to JJS. BUT the DT gets to put on witnesses (no cross examination) to try to persuade the judge that she should get LWP? So Mrs. Arias could still speak for her daughter and even Jodi could speak. Is this true?

Oh please tell me this is not true. I can not take more nurmi.

 

[kaRN]

Glad you live in Canada

Me too!

 

[Paintr]

Oh please tell me this is not true. I can not take more nurmi.

ITA! I just could not sit through SA or JA or Dr. G or the DT. I just couldn't. No more trashing Travis!

 

[Hatfield]

1) Arizona is a law & order state. I'd expect a better jury here than in Florida. 2) JSS does NOT have positive feelings for Jodi. She sees her for what she is. I've said this over and over- she had to bend over backwards for the DT because it is a Death Penalty Phase, and would have done the same for any other defendant, not just Jodi!!!

I do agree JSS will give JA a life sentence, but I respectfully disagree that she "had to do that". Other judges do not bend over backwards and give the DT so much leeway that they had an unfair advantage over the Prosecution.

A judge needs to be fair to both sides. She could have judged this trial much more fairly and STILL kept it "Appeal Proof". A judge does not need to go overboard to still be legal and appeal proof.

 

[Amster]

I think this is a big problem with the DP and why a lot of people have a hard time with it.

Well....looks like a hung jury is a big possibility. So, lets eat chocolate cake and celebrate!!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I do agree JSS will give JA a life sentence, but I respectfully disagree that she "had to do that". Other judges do not bend over backwards and give the DT so much leeway that they had an unfair advantage over the Prosecution.

A judge needs to be fair to both sides. She could have judged this trial much more fairly and STILL kept it "Appeal Proof". A judge does not need to go overboard to still be legal and appeal proof.

I agree. I think somewhere along the way she just kind of gave up in this last phase. I think she was fair in the guilty phase but this last phase just felt like she was just done.

 

[Ransom]

Me too!

[h=1]Karla Homolka[/h]

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Well....looks like a hung jury is a big possibility. So, lets eat chocolate cake and celebrate!!

Well I will have a nice double chocolate cake in the morning for tomorrows wait. I may share..

 

[LinasK]

I do agree JSS will give JA a life sentence, but I respectfully disagree that she "had to do that". Other judges do not bend over backwards and give the DT so much leeway that they had an unfair advantage over the Prosecution.

A judge needs to be fair to both sides. She could have judged this trial much more fairly and STILL kept it "Appeal Proof". A judge does not need to go overboard to still be legal and appeal proof.

Two reasons for this: 1) Arizona's system of two-phase trial. AZLawyer told us at the beginning of this phase-Death is different, hearsay is allowed in, which is why the victim was allowed to be trashed 2) She was trying to preserve the conviction from appeals.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Two reasons for this: 1) Arizona's system of two-phase trial. AZLawyer told us at the beginning of this phase-Death is different, hearsay is allowed in, which is why the victim was allowed to be trashed 2) She was trying to preserve the conviction from appeals.

I think she went farther than that this time.

 

[Amster]

This had it at all been true qualifies for sure for me.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/anthony-graves-becomes-12th-death-row-inmate-exonerated-texas
However he was railroaded and then had to be set free.

Jodi has admitted slaughtering Travis....

 

[Steve44]

OK, lets say they are a hung jury. If she gets life WITH Parole. That would be 25 yrs -the 8 she already did, then prison over crowding, good behavior, she could be out in 12, all the time making friends in jail, laughing that she got away with it, living life. That would make her around 45 when let go free and clear. This Monster could be out on the streets again. I guess if you want to rage kill your lover, do it in Arizona, the jury will let you go, not like Texas where murders get the justice they deserve quick.

First, I don't think she'll get LWP, but if she does, I don't think it will be like that. There really is no parole in AZ at this time. What they have is called Clemency, and from what I've heard it takes a much higher standard to win release under it than with parole. Those who seem familiar with it seem to think she won't meet that standard and will never be released. Still, the safer possibility is LWOP, where there is no mechanism at all to ever get out, barring an overturned conviction, which is about as unlikely as you can get.

This is why, completely separate from all the drama in the court, I'm leaning personally towards LWOP rather than DP. With the DP she will have virtually unlimited resources as well as a community of radical supporters to fight her conviction and IMO she actually has a better chance of getting out with a DP conviction than with either LWOP or LWP, all due to the political climate surrounding the DP, and actually having nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the case, or the interests of justice.

 

[ElleElle]

Two reasons for this: 1) Arizona's system of two-phase trial. AZLawyer told us at the beginning of this phase-Death is different, hearsay is allowed in, which is why the victim was allowed to be trashed 2) She was trying to preserve the conviction from appeals.

And, this has probably been the biggest profile case in AZ history. There is alot going on behind the scenes thanks to our wonderful technology.

 

[absolut_alexis]

Me :deadhorse:
In my opinion and only my opinion.
Judge SS told the jury that JA had already been convicted of 1st degree premeditated with cruelty murder and "you must accept that".
If I were one of the jurors trying to convince the others that JA deserved the DP, I 1st tell them to apply the law and then I'd pull out all of the autopsy photos and ask if these trump JA's poor me mitigating factors.

I think JA deserves the DP, but I have never served on a jury and I don't know if I could really vote to end someone's life.

However, I do know that the " look at these horrific autopsy" photos wouldn't work with me. I do not like to be emotional when I am making decisions, I want to be sure my reasoning is sound and my conscience is in alignment with my beliefs.

Looking at the graphic photos would make me afraid I was voting out of vengeance and not justice.

By the same coin, JA's pity party stories would again make me wary.

I would just want the facts and the law so I could reason my way to my vote.

That is just me.

 

[Nore]

Hi , just came back to check, back again after I finish dishes :laughing: .I saw part of NG tonight thinking she might speak of trial, at 1/2 time I left. she said nothing when I had it on. They spoke of a case Kelly young lady in Mesa. They just found her body. Forgive me, first thing I thought "if trial entails Sherrie S. or Nurmi~ I'm outta there! never again. They muddled the j. minds so much they probably cant think straight! :hills: no way in he(( !

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think JA deserves the DP, but I have never served on a jury and I don't know if I could really vote to end someone's life.

However, I do know that the " look at these horrific autopsy" photos wouldn't work with me. I do not like to be emotional when I am making decisions, I want to be sure my reasoning is sound and my conscience is in alignment with my beliefs.

Looking at the graphic photos would make me afraid I was voting out of vengeance and not justice.

By the same coin, JA's pity party stories would again make me wary.

I would just want the facts and the law so I could reason my way to my vote.

That is just me.

Bingo! It is not supposed to be emotional. I completely understand that people are emotional about the murder of a great man, But still it is not supposed to be about emotions.

 

[Steve44]

Two reasons for this: 1) Arizona's system of two-phase trial. AZLawyer told us at the beginning of this phase-Death is different, hearsay is allowed in, which is why the victim was allowed to be trashed 2) She was trying to preserve the conviction from appeals.

Preserving the conviction from appeals is one thing, and repealing the Constitution is another.

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

I think I am more upset because Travis is the person who was abused by his parents; Jodi wasn't abused any more than some of the people on here. She's a spoiled, evil brat! I think the death penalty is for people who either commit really heinous crimes and for those who can't be rehabilitated. They will kill again! I feel that Jodi has no hope for rehabilitation. She is too evil. She's going to get life because of a bunch of lies. I'd like to know the number of votes for life and for death by gender and by age (older versus younger). I wonder how many voted for life because Travis wasn't a "perfect" Mormon.

I do think Scott Peterson deserved the death penalty because I feel that life starts at conception. Laci seemed like a great person, and baby Conner never had a chance. I remember feeling the same way about them as I do Travis, but they got justice, and it looks like Travis won't. Sharon Rocha showed class through that trial just as the Alexanders have in this one.

I feel that some child molesters deserve the death penalty. I'd put any teacher who has any sexual contact with a student in jail for 20-30 years. As a former teacher, I'm sick of all these female teachers having sex with students and receiving very little punishment. The same thing for ministers. If any person in either of these groups has more than one offense, I think they should receive LWOP.

 

[Shadowboy]

Hey all (or "y'all y'all).

As an "exercise," scan this afternoon's comments here on WS to understand what this jury is discussing and the tortuous road they must take toward a decision of life or death for JA.

For me, personally (not a fan of the DP) ... I reviewed the blood spatter evidence. JA's attack was not only premeditated, but engorged with uncontrollable rage and the desire to cause pain. That aggravating factor (for me) far outweighs any mitigation. But ... that's just me.

Let's respect this jury and each other. And know JA, in spite of her smug attitude ... will NEVER enjoy the freedom and beauty of the world outside Perryville.