Verdict Watch

[fran]

Oh good grief! My neighbor decided to mow his lawn and I can hardly hear!

:maddening:
fram

 

[terminatrixator]

Oh gosh, this is going to be a long weekend. It seems that that the room was a bit warm. That is not good for any sort of discussions. I hope these jurors use their common sense and come to the only right conclusion and that's guilty of first degree murder!

 

[Madeleine74]

Looks like I'm going to need to stock up at the grocery store this weekend.

 

[Skittles]

Looks like I'm going to need to stock up at the grocery store this weekend.

I'll see you there!

 

[gracielee]

Looks like I'm going to need to stock up at the grocery store this weekend.

Don't forget the CHOCOLATE! Although you might have trouble finding chardonnay, I shopped earlier. :floorlaugh:

 

[cody100]

I don't think JS would have deemed JW as an expert witness in forensic computers, MOO, having watched hundreds of expert witnesses over the years. And I think if you wanted to see some 'whup ', you'd have seen it if JS was advised about JW's WS posting the night of his testimony in court. JMO again. Curious, but do you think Jose Baez is an 'excellent' attorney in the CA case? What do you think of the judge in that case?

I don't know whether JS would have deemed JW an expert in forensic computers. All of my experiences also say probably no. However, I think he would have reigned in BZ on the Facebook fiasco. And yes, I thought JW needed some whup for his WS posting. So far, I would say JB is an average attorney. Honestly, I thought BC's attorneys were far sharper, and also I thought JY's attorneys were great as well. To me, the entire group in the ICA case seem to be contentious. I like the Judge very much though. IMOO I find the format they follow somewhat odd. Then I am new to that trial.

 

[lymom3]

How dare the neighbors cut the grass...you need to train them better

 

[fran]

I actually think it's a good sign that they want to deliberate more. It appears that they're going over each piece of evidence, etc., very carefully. I know it seems like it's just going to draw things out, but it's better than them working under 'heated conditions' as they appear to be, and someone changing their position just so they can get outta there.

We want them to make educated, just decisions. Even if we don't agree with them in the end, we will know they gave it their all and didn't LOL, RUSH TO JUDGMENT!

I gotta do some fast cleaning, LOL. Spent toooooo much time at the puter today. You all have a great weekend, and drink a glass of wine for me, k?

See ya'all monday!

:seeya:
fran

 

[cody100]

With enough wine, GL, we might all agree on everythingLOL. Have a good weekend everyone. Enjoyed our day today.

 

[traveler]

Too bad I can't send them the photo I took of the exit....the proximity of that shrub is what they are looking for.

....Not shown in the state's exhibit.

From the state's photo, it looks impossible to grab a rock too.
I'm ready for some wine as well...ugh, this weekend will be torture.

 

[gracielee]

I don't know whether JS would have deemed JW an expert in forensic computers. All of my experiences also say probably no. However, I think he would have reigned in BZ on the Facebook fiasco. And yes, I thought JW needed some whup for his WS posting. So far, I would say JB is an average attorney. Honestly, I thought BC's attorneys were far sharper, and also I thought JY's attorneys were great as well. To me, the entire group in the ICA case seem to be contentious. I like the Judge very much though. IMOO I find the format they follow somewhat odd. Then I am new to that trial.

I think JY's attornies are far more professional IMO than the previous trial. I didn't mind JG though. He has a different personality is all. A bit more laid back maybe, but I liked him. I think the judge in the CA case has his hands full. Have you seen the lines to get in that court room? I think he should do something about that IMO.

 

[fran]

How dare the neighbors cut the grass...you need to train them better

I know! huh?

Maybe I should tell them how important this verdict watch stuff is.

Maybe I should tell the military too! The next time they want to fly a helicopter by my house they need to check with me first!

If it's not the neighbor, it's uncle sam! :maddening:

Can't seem to get 'a break here! LOL

see ya!
fran


LOL, uh oh! I figured out it's MY OWN gardner that's doing yard work! LOL, oh good grief! :crazy:

 

[Just the Fax]

I simply adjusted the contrast on the evidence photos and boom....a pair of leather gloves popped out. Not sure why they did not enhance them enough so Spivey could have said...."he had what appeared to be a paper, water bottle and gloves".

 

[fran]

OMG! JTF!

You're right!


fran

 

[Zamboni]

I don't recall him saying he broke a twig off and used it - couldn't it have been that there was a twig already on the ground? It was Fall after all...

I could be completely mis-remembering, but I recall him saying the he did break some twigs off of the shrub that was there. I suppose I could re-watch his testimony, but it would upset my stomach too much to be worth the effort. In any event, it appears that they keep that area well swept, so it would be surprising for him to have found just a handy stick on the ground.

 

[cody100]

I think JY's attornies are far more professional IMO than the previous trial. I didn't mind JG though. He has a different personality is all. A bit more laid back maybe, but I liked him. I think the judge in the CA case has his hands full. Have you seen the lines to get in that court room? I think he should do something about that IMO.

Yes, we disagree on JG. I found him difficult to take. I really liked HK and Trenkle, have always had issues with HC, and had trouble with BZ's attitude. I thought BZ was rude to witesses. HK and Trenkle never were rude to any witness.

Now, I do not envy CA's Judge. That looks like a mess down there. Have a good weekend.

 

[borndem]

this is just my amatuer opinion of body language but the pros team is just sitting back in their chair relaxed, something routine to them.

the def on the other hand, JY is leaned forward with his elbows perhaps on his knee/legg, while one of the def guys is sitting forward in his chair, (seems nervous to me) and the other guy sitting back in his chair and he's close up to the def table.

Hmmmmmm................does this sort of thing usually bode well for the pros? is that why the def side looks a little more rattled? or is that just the MO for the def because they have so much at stake, the freedom of their client?

just wonderin'
fran

Fran, I noticed, too. The look on Collins' face was worried. And the other two (and I really dislike lumping them together!) were as you said, arched forward and not relaxed -- even Mr. Best All Around (I know I am beating that appellation well beyond its death, but heck) looks uncomfortable.

But I wonder, Fran, since their part is essentially done -- barring the bizarre -- how Collins & Klink really feel. They certainly should feel that they did their duty as officers of the court -- they did a heyell of a job for that sick jerk, so they should sleep well tonight. Do they like JY? Do they think he is indeed guilty? Do they think in their hearts that he should be convicted -- I would really like to know -- but know I never will.

You've been there & done that 'way more often than I have, along with JTF , Madeline and raisincharlie, etc., etc. What are your thoughts, if you have time & would like to share? Thanks.

 

[Madeleine74]

I think the waiting is the most difficult part for any attorney. All control is out of their hands and it now rests with the jury. I'm sure it's common to rethink everything and wonder if you left any stone (or rock, as it were) unturned. <pun intended>.

Defense attorneys like to win. Everyone likes to win. I suppose if you're the type of person who cannot bear the thought of a potentially (or actually) guilty person going free, then being a criminal defense attorney is the wrong career choice altogether.

 

[Skittles]

OT: R.I.P. Peter Falk. Sleuths everywhere salute Lt. Columbo.

 

[Boodles]

But I wonder, Fran, since their part is essentially done -- barring the bizarre -- how Collins & Klink really feel. They certainly should feel that they did their duty as officers of the court -- they did a heyell of a job for that sick jerk, so they should sleep well tonight. Do they like JY? Do they think he is indeed guilty? Do they think in their hearts that he should be convicted -- I would really like to know -- but know I never will.

I'm not fran, but I'll respond anyway. I was thinking about this last night. I think the defense attorneys feel that they did their job in providing Jason with the best defense under the law. As I thought about it, they didn't go out of their way, IMO, to dramatically claim his innocence. Except for the very beginning of his direct testimony when they asked him the "did you kill her...know who did" rapid fire questions, they did not return to that line of questioning. That lead me to believe that Jason has never confessed his guilt to them (maybe I'm extremely naive) because that would have been knowingly condoning perjury. But I think they instinctively (via the evidence) "know" he did it, and they just used the law and evidence to try and raise reasonable doubts. That equates to "providing the best defense under the law" which is their job.

That's just a thought that I had yesterday. I don't think they like him - at all. I bet they think he's pretty despicable.

I suspect they really don't want him to "get off" but they did their job.