Verdict Watch

[Dkny]

Nope, no insurance $$ for JY. In the same or attached ruling, JY was declared by the court ineligible to claim the insurance proceeds. That ruling was in concert with the w. death ruling, to which he didn't even appear, IIRC.

It's in the WRAL.com docs.

Do you know what happened to the townhouse ?

 

[otto]

Ins goes to cy, even if he walks on this he is pretty much done, if he gets a job he needs to pay the civil Judgment, I doubt cy would ever be uprooted again. I hope this jury sees through him. I think they will, he certainly insults other's intelligence with his lies. Jmo.

He was jumpy during testimony, his answers were long-winded and had too much information. From the computer charger or cigar to how many matches it took to light ... the twig (who uses a twig when you've got a rock) ... other self-serving testimony about following his lawyer's advice; doing as he was told, and sobbing with poems (or whatever it was when he made himself cry).

The only problem I see is a holdout on the mileage, and the hotel door/newspaper is another odd coincidence or bit of luck. In some ways, he's so lucky: unlocked hotel door didn't budge when newspaper was placed on handle, didn't get caught buying more gas, stills (not video) at the hotel ... yet so unlucky: it all happened on the same night; all that luck of not being caught in so many places that would prove him guilty.

 

[otto]

Nope, no insurance $$ for JY. In the same or attached ruling, JY was declared by the court ineligible to claim the insurance proceeds. That ruling was in concert with the w. death ruling, to which he didn't even appear, IIRC.

It's in the WRAL.com docs.

What if, in the future, the court discovers that another person, or persons, is responsible (DNA match or something), isn't the civil court ruling reversed?

 

[borndem]

Do you know what happened to the townhouse ?

I don't remember anything on it, Dkny....curious. Hmmmm. If they still owned it, it had to be handled somewhere, huh?

 

[gracielee]

Nah, glee - They just said they had completed their 1st full day of deliberation. We, as usual, know more about it than they are telling.

They did have one little human interest story. It was about a cute, smart little grandmother who enjoys wine while she watches court cases or to help her wait for verdicts. So comb your hair, glee, the photographers are already in your front yard!!!

:floorlaugh:

:great:

:woohoo:

:seeya:

 

[otto]

I don't remember anything on it, Dkny....curious. Hmmmm. If they still owned it, it had to be handled somewhere, huh?

Jason said that it was easy to rent, and he claims that Michelle said that it was a good investment but that she didn't want to manage it. Perhaps it is still owned by the family, but title was transferred after the civil ruling?

 

[Dkny]

I don't remember anything on it, Dkny....curious. Hmmmm. If they still owned it, it had to be handled somewhere, huh?

1/2 was my's, pre marital asset I would assume LF would try to attach to JY 1/2 to secure for cy it is really all he had to attach too. IMO

 

[gracielee]

Thanks, Boodles - It's nice to hear someone else say what I feel about them, too.

Maybe I'm naive, too, but ITA with what you said. And yes, def attys do not ask their clients, "Did you do it?" and I'm sure this slimeball didn't admit any such thing to them, so they could ask The Question in the courtroom. I do think that their putting him on the stand was a "What have we got to lose" rally try.

And yes, they didn't get up on the table & shout, "This man is innocent and you should free him from his imprisonment -- today -- and let him live as he should, a free man." I didn't hear none o' dat in their closing. Seems to me, these guys anyway, not all def attys, would walk away from a guilty verdict still with pride and go on to the next case.

Exactly why I said I could never be married to a criminal defense attorney. If my husband spent all day trying to get some guy off who beat his wife or girlfriend to death, you can just bet he wouldn't be 'gettin' any' tonight.

 

[borndem]

Say G'night, Gracielee!

:hug: :toastred:

 

[borndem]

Jason said that it was easy to rent, and he claims that Michelle said that it was a good investment but that she didn't want to manage it. Perhaps it is still owned by the family, but title was transferred after the civil ruling?

Yeah, Otto -- I remember that part of it, and what you say makes sense. I'll have to go dig. I guess they didn't sell it before she was murdered.... IDK. ??

 

[otto]

What's ironic about this case is the giant lack of evidence of Jason Young. The fact that there was so little evidence in his own bedroom alarmed me from the get go. I mean, I would expect his finger prints/hair/dna/etc to be on every inch of that room. This should be considered to be proof of clean up IMO and I think that's where the conspiracy angle came in with JDS.

His attorneys were awesome though. The prosecution in this case was way more thought out than the other more recent cases. I was a little sad they didn't jump him more on the stand, but I think that was because of the fairly obvious disbelief that he got up there and was arrogant enough to speak/act his way through.

Somebody's getting promoted on this one too. (BZ from the other big case got a huge bump in clout and cash)

I don't know how you guys can sit through these and the backlash over and over again. Is that a newer thing? With social media "advances" and all.

A clean up? ... either it is normal for people that live in a cottage or house to not have their own DNA all over the place, or there was a clean-up. Was there time for a clean-up and a staging? There was a staged burglary where Michelle's closet was left as it was, and Jason's secret wallet was discovered in the closet. Two jewelry drawers were taken, but the purse was left alone. That staging wouldn't take too long.

Staged scene and normal absence of DNA, or staged scene and clean-up?

I think the prosecutors and Judge were in shock when he took the stand. BH stammered and JS didn't know case law regarding 5th Ammendment and pre-arrest talking to police.

Re: backlash; hopefully an ongoing discussion to refine the definitions. If a woman was accused of murder and her DNA was not all over the scene, what does it mean? In the case of Jason, it means nothing. He still lived there and he still could have committed the murder. Either it is normal for someone's DNA to not be all over the scene (have we been misled by TV?) or he did arrive at about 2:40 AM, murder his wife, take off his socks and shoes, leave them in the bedroom, leave blood on the door knob, go outside, strip and clean himself up at 4 AM Nov; NC, have a quick shower to warm up (hillbilly showers are cold), clean up and drug his daughter, get dresesed, stage a burglary, leave the house at about 4:10 (1.5 hours at the house), ditch the bloody clothes, get gas in King at about 5:37 and resurface calling MM at about 7:30 just past Hillsville?

Perhaps he completely cleaned up in the house and washed his gloves in the hose.

 

[Dkny]

What if, in the future, the court discovers that another person, or persons, is responsible (DNA match or something), isn't the civil court ruling reversed?

I believe if someone else is convicted (if JY is not) of my's death in a criminal Court then I would think that the civil Judgment could be overturned at that time, correct steps in civil Court would have to be followed as it would not just go away. Jmo

 

[otto]

Exactly why I said I could never be married to a criminal defense attorney. If my husband spent all day trying to get some guy off who beat his wife or girlfriend to death, you can just bet he wouldn't be 'gettin' any' tonight.

Imagine what the prosecutor goes through - having to get into the head of the sophisticated spousal murderer in order to outsmart him.

 

[gracielee]

G'night, glee!

:hug: :toastred:

illowfight2:

:smooch:


fftobed:

 

[otto]

Yeah, Otto -- I remember that part of it, and what you say makes sense. I'll have to go dig. I guess they didn't sell it before she was murdered.... IDK. ??

I remember Jason testifying, but I don't remember anything about who owned it. He didn't discuss the townhouse as a regrettable investment or something that was lost. He described it as an investment that Michelle wanted for her family, but that doesn't mean it wasn't sold.

 

[gracielee]

Say G'night, Gracielee!

:hug: :toastred:

G'night, Gracielee!


< damn, old enough to remember gracie allen > :waitasec:

 

[gracielee]

If the criminal court found that he was not the slayer, wouldn't the other ruling have to be overturned? Was it the same Judge for the trial as the slayer ruling?

Criminal court found O.J. not guilty, civil court held him liable for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson & Ronald Goldman. IIRC, responsible to the tune of over 35 million, wasn't it?

 

[borndem]

G'night, Gracielee!


< damn, old enough to remember gracie allen > :waitasec:

Yep, me, too. Dayam, glee, we're old!!! But we're bold!!!

 

[otto]

He's absolutely GUILTY!

I too am amazed at the gullibility and sheer ignorance of so many who do not understand circumstantial evidence, reasonable inference, don't actually follow a trial and yet claim to know what the proper verdict should be and yes, KellyCrash, these are people who believe every perp must leave their blood, fingerprints and a note next to the body saying "yes, I did it!" before they would ever find a defendant guilty.

Convincing C.E. in this case:

- His HP shoes, bloody shoeprints, missing shoes
- missing clothes from 11/2
- computer searches for knockout, head trauma, etc.
- Gracie Dahms + receipt matching the exact purchase putting him in King, NC at 5:27am 11/3
- Rock in the H.I. door + camera conveniently unplugged then pushed up after it was reset 20 min earlier
- only using his keycard one time
- light colored SUV seen at/near his house at 3:30am
- the bogus search for Coach bags and his excuse as to why M.F. had to get to the house
- the affairs & his admitting he was in love with MM
- never speaking to anyone at anytime after the murder
- never asking how his wife died or what happened
- handing over custody of his daughter to avoid giving a depo
- the crime scene, overkill, CY unharmed, cleaned up, and adult meds given to her
- couple that with his obvious and ridiculous lies on the stand, his demeanor, his own friends testimony.


GUILTY!

Here are Jason's responses to C.E. in this case:

His HP shoes, bloody shoeprints, missing shoes, but his wife threw out his shoes when they looked worn.

Missing clothes from 11/2 weren't really missing as you can see in the birthday photo.

Computer searches for knockout, head trauma, etc. were nothing more than Jason's concern for a dying motorist. Never mind that he used the occassion to contact his former fiance - looking for a bonding love experience - no strings attached.

Gracie Dahms + receipt matching the exact purchase putting him in King, NC at 5:27am 11/3, except the purchase put a 5 feet tallish, thin haired guy swearing at her.

Rock in the H.I. door + camera conveniently unplugged then pushed up after it was reset 20 min earlier and ... sure, with all those rocks ... investigators found one with 2/16 markers that matched Jason but that didn't mean it was Jason. Cameras are messed with in hotels all the time, and door are propped open in non-smoking hotels ... especially cheap, middle management hotels. And, by the way, it was a twig ... never mind that when the door was opened again the twig would have to be reset but a rock placed once is alway good.

Only using his keycard one time ... so he closed the door without latching it because he was running out for his computer charger and a cigar.

Light colored SUV seen at/near his house at 3:30am but his SUV was white.

The bogus search for Coach bags and his excuse as to why M.F. had to get to the house, but he was really concerned about keeping Michelle's extended family happy when it came to occassions like leather anniversaries.

The affairs & his admitting he was in love with MM are nothing unusual for a married man messing around. What messing around, married man admits that he's doing it for sex?

Never speaking to anyone at anytime after the murder - advice of his lawyer
Never asking how his wife died or what happened - advice of his lawyer
Handing over custody of his daughter to avoid giving a depo - advice of his lawyer

The crime scene, overkill, CY unharmed, cleaned up, and adult meds given to her could have been done by anyone (thus the accomplice or some other guy did it theories)

Couple that with his obvious and ridiculous lies on the stand, his demeanor, his own friends testimony ... and couple that with what anyone would do in that circumstance - accused of murder while smoking a cigar in another state.

 

[otto]

I believe that Jason smoked a cigar after he murdered his wife, and I don't doubt that his first match didn't light the cigar so he lit another match. That didn't work either so he just lit the entire match package to light the cigar and then started flying down the highway. By morning, he was wasted. He'd been up all night and was a little nervous about showing up at his first business meeting completely fried so he talked to his girlfriend a little to relax - drove around a little. I wonder if that was the happiest phone call that MM remembers having with Jason - she wasn't very forthcoming about what all they talked about that morning and she did neglect to contact him after Michelle was murdered.