Verdict Watch

[fran]

To be technically fair, the defense never stated they were the same. I know it was somewhat implied, but they didn't state "this is the same shirt".

The effect will be the same, and I believe the jury will discredit his testimony (if they were giving it any merit to begin with) and will find him guilty.

I agree with you, that the def NEVER said it was the same shirt. But, IMHO, the def showed that picture of the 3rd bday party, NOT just to show how 'happy' C was with her daddy, or what a good daddy he was, but for ME, no other reason than to IMPLY it was the same shirt.

IMHO, that MAY be one of the reasons the def is {worried} or appears to me worried. They most likely realize at least ONE of the juror's noted the diff in the shirts and now the others want to verify.

I think the def is realizing that the subterfuge they THOUGHT the def may be able to pull off by testifying and explaining HIS facts, are being seen through by the jury.

Heck, for the def, imho, it was worth a shot. Even if the guy gets convicted, they can't say they didn't give it a try. OTOH, if he gets off, the def, IMHO, will think he hit the jackpot and get away with murder!

Of course, the def will think they did a good job! and, they did, with what they had to work with.

JMHO
fran

 

[Just the Fax]

Questions:

would like to see still frame photo of the cracker barrel clearly showing his shoes

still frame photo of defendent walking in hallway of HI at midnight

see photo of clothes def. wearing during Cass birthday party

crime scene photos of cass bathroom

photos of HI emergency exit, view from right of exit



Judges discretion is to allow the jurors to see all this evidence

Too bad I can't send them the photo I took of the exit....the proximity of that shrub is what they are looking for.

....Not shown in the state's exhibit.

 

[ncsu95]

Off subject, but I have never seen so many sidebars as in the ICA trial. No wonder this trial is taking so long.

That's at least quicker than sending the jury out to discuss.

 

[gracielee]

Off subject, but I have never seen so many sidebars as in the ICA trial. No wonder this trial is taking so long.

Shades of what I said yesterday about defense lawyers who are inexperienced in murder cases.

 

[happy2binNC]

Too bad I can't send them the photo I took of the exit....the proximity of that shrub is what they are looking for.

From that angle, I think it's plausible a person could reach that shrub to the right while holding the door open. Not that I believe for a second that's what he did, but too bad for the defense they didn't have a similar photo readily available to ask where the twig was.

ETA: Wait, is the glass door the exit? My eye was drawn to the gray door on the right.

 

[Madeleine74]

If I had been trying to claim I put something in the door, I would have claimed I put my newspaper (rolled up) in the door while I went to my car, smoked my non-existent cigar while using 2 matches to light my pretend cigar.

Trying to say I could reach over, grab a twig, while some how holding the door open, rather than reaching down and grabbing the closest object...like one of those hundreds of rocks, or using an item I already had in my hand and thus available, is not logical.

 

[Boodles]

Was that photo taken on November 3, 2011? The shrub looks freshly pruned.

Although even if it wasn't, holding the door all the way open with a foot and reaching would make it plausible to grab a branch IMO. I don't think that's what happened, but I think it could appear that way.

 

[Melanie]

No DP. Mandatory sentence of LWOP for this crime.

Thanks - much appreciated.

 

[Melanie]

From that angle, I think it's plausible a person could reach that shrub to the right while holding the door open. Not that I believe for a second that's what he did, but too bad for the defense they didn't have a similar photo readily available to ask where the twig was.

ETA: Wait, is the glass door the exit? My eye was drawn to the gray door on the right.

It would be plausible (no proof) that the exit door was the glass windowed door. But that's just my opinion.

MOO

Mel

 

[dgfred]

Too bad I can't send them the photo I took of the exit....the proximity of that shrub is what they are looking for.

....Not shown in the state's exhibit.

Hey JtF,
Are those painted rocks or the fake bark stuff?

 

[ncsu95]

From that angle, I think it's plausible a person could reach that shrub to the right while holding the door open. Not that I believe for a second that's what he did, but too bad for the defense they didn't have a similar photo readily available to ask where the twig was.

ETA: Wait, is the glass door the exit? My eye was drawn to the gray door on the right.

Both are exits. Defense is saying he went out the glass door, not the grey door.

 

[cody100]

Shades of what I said yesterday about defense lawyers who are inexperienced in murder cases.

Today, it is has been equal defense/prosecutor reasons. Both sides seem equal to me. They all seem contentious. LOL

 

[cody100]

Both are exits. Defense is saying he went out the glass door, not the grey door.

Looks like gray door is closer to the shrubs. How did he get the branches?

 

[Madeleine74]

If it was the glass door, there is no way he could reach either shrub, IMHO.

 

[happy2binNC]

Both are exits. Defense is saying he went out the glass door, not the grey door.

Thank you! So no way to reach either bush from that door. He could have picked up a stick that happened to be on the ground, but he failed to mention that in testimony. Odd, since he was willing to offer so much detail about his other activities that evening. :innocent:

 

[gracielee]

Today, it is has been equal defense/prosecutor reasons. Both sides seem equal to me. They all seem contentious. LOL

I haven't watched the ICA trial much at all, only turned up the sound when I saw G, C, or L testifying. But the few times I was actually listening closely, it appeared Jose Baez had to be instructed numerous times as to how to word a particular question. It reminded me of the defense guy in the BC case. Usually in first degree murder trials, the lawyers are well versed in how to shape their questions to conform with proper procedure, protocol and keep their question from eliciting something like a hear-say response, etc. That's why I made the comment I did about Judge Stephens. He's a no nonsense guy, likes things to run smoothly and is a stickler for procedure. I think we'd have seen a *different side to* judge Stephens, if he had to put up with the constant objections as in the previous trial. JS's is a nice, southern gentleman, but in that same vein, you don't want to rile him. He can open up a whole big can 'o 'whup-' if need be IMO. :rocker:

:woohoo:

:seeya:

 

[borndem]

Can anyone direct me to the Stipulation from the lady that the defense offered into evidence near the close of their CIC? There were two stipulations, one was about the cost of gas at the time and the other was a statement from that lady. I can't recall her name. There was some talk she was elderly. Where can I find it?

Prancy, I've had no luck -- the other docs, as you probably have found, (the emails) were published on WRAL.com & I figured they'd publish the doc from the woman who may have a connection to Birchleaf Drive. But no luck so far. I haven't checked all avenues, however. Maybe someone else nosed it out...

 

[Just the Fax]

Both are exits. Defense is saying he went out the glass door, not the grey door.

iirc, defense said he went out the grey stairwell door.

 

[dgfred]

iirc, defense said he went out the grey stairwell door.

What about my question? Are those painted rocks or that fake bark stuff all around the bushes?

 

[Just the Fax]

If I were the prosecutor, I would have shown this pic at closing.
How preposterous to think MY would go in his messy office and find those 2 ebay printouts, turned over on top of the printer.

His motive should be perfectly clear. He was anxious for CY to be rescued.... calling MF twice (noon and 1:30) and then having mommy call her as well should stand out as unbelievable.