Victim "Peaches" IDd as Tanya Denise Jackson, and toddler IDd as Tatiana Marie Dykes, found Hempstead Lake State Park, June 1997 #4

[Susikatze]

I was absolutely not expecting this, gosh. An arrest, after all this time, so soon after their identification, and someone to actually take to trial.

I'm wondering if they retested evidence and instead of finding RH's profile, they found this guy's. Tatiana was found long after she died, but Tanya's torso was found very soon after she was killed, and in a container, with manchester and paper towels. The potential for transfer evidence being found would be good.

MOO

I am absolutely not surprised. Too many cases are attributed to serial killers right away (just adding a few more victims to the ones we already know for certain) while it really was a family member (usually husbands or boyfriends).
Always look into family and friends first. And yes, this area was a dumping ground not only for RH but for many other unrelated murders. This case did not fit RH modus operandi at all - Tanya was no SW and she had a baby and both were murdered and dumped. Would have been very unusual for RH.

jmoo

 

[snarast]

I am absolutely not surprised. Too many cases are attributed to serial killers right away (just adding a few more victims to the ones we already know for certain) while it really was a family member (usually husbands or boyfriends).
Always look into family and friends first. And yes, this area was a dumping ground not only for RH but for many other unrelated murders. This case did not fit RH modus operandi at all - Tanya was no SW and she had a baby and both were murdered and dumped. Would have been very unusual for RH.

jmoo

The surprising part is that Tatiana was found less than 80 meters from Valerie Mack’s head and hands.

But lightning can strike at the same location twice. It’s just not that common.

 

[snarast]

One thought: There is risk for interpreting Tatiana’s DNA for Dyke’ DNA. She has 22 chromosomes in common with her biofather.

Of course, if that is the case I would suggest bringing in bioinformatics experts into the Genome(parent) - Genome(child) matching process in order to increase the likelihood of robust results. Because this is an obvious consideration.

I hope the’ve got some Y chromosome markers present. that would rule out Tatiana as the contributor. Or, conversely, if Mr. Dykes has other stand out markers.

 

[Megnut]

One thought: There is risk for interpreting Tatiana’s DNA for Dyke’ DNA. She has 22 chromosomes in common with her biofather.

I hope the’ve got some Y chromosome markers present. that would rule out Tatiana as the contributor. Or, conversely, if Mr. Dykes has other stand out markers.

I hope we'll get more details soon. This arrest follows fairly swiftly on the heels of the DNA identifications of the victims, so I'm anxious to learn what linked him, more than casually. Like DNA on a ligature, DNA/fingerprints on the plastic bag, etc.

It's an astounding time. Advancements like Othram, solving the coldest of crimes but also upending current ones. Genealogy testing, so solid that LE can get a familial match before a criminal goes to bed that night.

It's beyond unsettling to think this wasn't the LISK, which was awful enough. But that there are multiple people dismembering and discarding bodies in the same stretch of land, it's an awful world we live in, and to think this was the baby's father who did this.

A single mom, a military vet, their lives destroyed when the future should have been theirs.

JMO

 

[snarast]

I hope we'll get more details soon. This arrest follows fairly swiftly on the heels of the DNA identifications of the victims, so I'm anxious to learn what linked him, more than casually. Like DNA on a ligature, DNA/fingerprints on the plastic bag, etc.

It's an astounding time. Advancements like Othram, solving the coldest of crimes but also upending current ones. Genealogy testing, so solid that LE can get a familial match before a criminal goes to bed that night.

It's beyond unsettling to think this wasn't the LISK, which was awful enough. But that there are multiple people dismembering and discarding bodies in the same stretch of land, it's an awful world we live in, and to think this was the baby's father who did this.

A single mom, a military vet, their lives destroyed when the future should have been theirs.

JMO

It most certainly should have. The fierce cuteness of Tatiana is almost too much to take.

It doesn’t matter where the DNA was located - I’m guessing most mothers are so enmeshed with their toddlers that transfer DNA - even on sus objects such as tape - is more than a remote possibility. Tatiana’s DNA is 50% Dykes’. Sure there is chromosomal scrambling during meiosis but the sequence reads are’t long enough to show that straight off the bat. That needs to be analyzed downstream.

That said I’m sure they’ve thought of this - it is that obvious. Btw, I am not working for Othram - I’m just a lone bioinformatician pondering along. If this has been overlooked, I would suggest consulting Othram. Because they - 90s throwback - rock.

But basically, as with everything else, you must know what you’re doing and - although this is OT - it’s especially relevant in this world afloat on quick, imprecise vibe-coding/reasoning.

At the end of the day this is a great step forward toward justice for Tanya and Tatiana.

The way she was left in the rubbermaid container - discarded - whoever did that is Evil.

IMHOO

 

[FromGermany1]

When I read, that little Tatiana's remains were found 20 miles away from the remains of her mother, I feel remembered of the case of Karlie Pearce-Stevenson and 2yo Khandalyce Pearce (girl in a suitcase). Meanwhile we know for a long time, why the girl was found far away from her mother and why she didn't die on the same day and at the same location. MOO

 

[The4TierBridge]

One thought: There is risk for interpreting Tatiana’s DNA for Dyke’ DNA. She has 22 chromosomes in common with her biofather.

Of course, if that is the case I would suggest bringing in bioinformatics experts into the Genome(parent) - Genome(child) matching process in order to increase the likelihood of robust results. Because this is an obvious consideration.

I hope the’ve got some Y chromosome markers present. that would rule out Tatiana as the contributor. Or, conversely, if Mr. Dykes has other stand out markers.

Andrew Dykes is listed on the daughter's birth certificate as the father (and we've known this publicly since the IDs were announced back in April). There probably wasn't any fancy forensics technology used to make this connection at all.

 

[iamshadow21]

I am absolutely not surprised. Too many cases are attributed to serial killers right away (just adding a few more victims to the ones we already know for certain) while it really was a family member (usually husbands or boyfriends).
Always look into family and friends first. And yes, this area was a dumping ground not only for RH but for many other unrelated murders. This case did not fit RH modus operandi at all - Tanya was no SW and she had a baby and both were murdered and dumped. Would have been very unusual for RH.

jmoo

What I meant was that I'm genuinely surprised it was actually solved. I didn't know that it would be after so long.

That it was a partner was not a surprise, just anger-making. Tatiana was always the thing that made these murders different from the other crimes linked to RH. And it could have meant nothing, she could have just been collateral, but she wasn't. Killing the whole family was the point, because it was personal for their killer. It's a completely different emotional motivation, though the end result - death and anonymity - was the same.

MOO

 

[hot cawfeee]

woke up to the alert on my phone.....just wow.....justice for Tanya and for baby Tatiana..."fierce cuteness" is right ! May justice though slow be a hammer on this guy's head.

 

[Inthedetails]

One thought: There is risk for interpreting Tatiana’s DNA for Dyke’ DNA. She has 22 chromosomes in common with her biofather.

Of course, if that is the case I would suggest bringing in bioinformatics experts into the Genome(parent) - Genome(child) matching process in order to increase the likelihood of robust results. Because this is an obvious consideration.

I hope the’ve got some Y chromosome markers present. that would rule out Tatiana as the contributor. Or, conversely, if Mr. Dykes has other stand out markers.

FWIW, AD is listed on the birth record of Tatiana. I don't think I can link it here, but I found it.
jmopinion

 

[Inthedetails]

What I meant was that I'm genuinely surprised it was actually solved. I didn't know that it would be after so long.

That it was a partner was not a surprise, just anger-making. Tatiana was always the thing that made these murders different from the other crimes linked to RH. And it could have meant nothing, she could have just been collateral, but she wasn't. Killing the whole family was the point, because it was personal for their killer. It's a completely different emotional motivation, though the end result - death and anonymity - was the same.

MOO

I didn't think it would be solved either, unless it was RH. I was assuming random-person violence, but instead, the pieces fell into place in a pattern we've all seen before.

Reminder, again, that just because LE is quiet doesn't mean nothing is happening on a case.

jmopinion

 

[snarast]

What I meant was that I'm genuinely surprised it was actually solved. I didn't know that it would be after so long.

That it was a partner was not a surprise, just anger-making. Tatiana was always the thing that made these murders different from the other crimes linked to RH. And it could have meant nothing, she could have just been collateral, but she wasn't. Killing the whole family was the point, because it was personal for their killer. It's a completely different emotional motivation, though the end result - death and anonymity - was the same.

MOO

Thinking about your title - do you have a take on the possibility of transfer?

I guess we don’t know the grounds for the arrest just that it’s probably pretty solid. Maybe it’s not based on genomics at all.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I was absolutely not expecting this, gosh. An arrest, after all this time, so soon after their identification, and someone to actually take to trial.

I'm wondering if they retested evidence and instead of finding RH's profile, they found this guy's. Tatiana was found long after she died, but Tanya's torso was found very soon after she was killed, and in a container, with manchester and paper towels. The potential for transfer evidence being found would be good.

MOO

@iamshadow21 ..what does this mean.... manchester and paper towels.'

tia

 

[dotr]

Man arrested in Florida in killing of woman in case once associated with Long Island serial murders: Sources

Years after the body of a woman was found on Long Island, her suspected killer appeared before a Florida judge on Thursday facing murder charges.

abcnews.go.com

Andrew Dykes is seen in this booking photo.
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office

''In April, authorities in New York announced they had finally identified Jackson and her daughter and offered a $25,000 reward for information in the cold case.

The girl's remains were found in 2011 close to where the remains of other women were found along the southern shore of Long Island leading to speculation the deaths were the work of the Gilgo Beach serial killer.''

 

[iamshadow21]

@iamshadow21 ..what does this mean.... manchester and paper towels.'

tia

Items found with Tanya's body included a floral pillowcase.

Manchester may be an Australian term for household fabric items like bedding and towels, I'm not sure. Sorry if it caused confusion.

I thought it was Tanya's body that had paper towels with it, but all I'm finding reference to is a red towel, presumably a bath towel, so I'm withdrawing that. It was something they were looking to match in RH's property search, but maybe the paper towels were found with a different victim.

MOO

 

[kdsmith21]

that's even worse than Rex it was her own father. Justice for Tatiana and her mother.

 

[DS2021]

Man charged with murder of Tania Denise Jackson, known as 'Peaches' | FOX 5 New York

Tania Denise Jackson, once known as "Peaches," was identified along with her daughter Tatiana, who was known as Baby Doe at the time, in a case long linked to the Gilgo Beach investigation.

www.fox5ny.com

What we know:
The suspected killer, Andrew Dykes, 66, appeared in a Florida courtroom Thursday, where he was charged with second-degree murder.

Authorities said he was arrested on a fugitive murder warrant out of Nassau County after living in Florida for several years.

According to court documents, Dykes fled New York after the killings.

During Thursday’s hearing, the judge outlined his extradition options — including waiving extradition or voluntarily returning to New York. Dykes said he had no questions.

"I’d like to go to New York and defend myself," he told the judge.

 

[Inthedetails]

Items found with Tanya's body included a floral pillowcase.

Manchester may be an Australian term for household fabric items like bedding and towels, I'm not sure. Sorry if it caused confusion.

I thought it was Tanya's body that had paper towels with it, but all I'm finding reference to is a red towel, presumably a bath towel, so I'm withdrawing that. It was something they were looking to match in RH's property search, but maybe the paper towels were found with a different victim.

MOO

never heard that term for linens before

 

[iamshadow21]

never heard that term for linens before

It's supposedly because that's what the shipping crates used to have stenciled on them! So, from the height of northern England's mill and textile boom.

It's still very commonly used out here, say, in a department store there will be a manchester department. I forgot completely it was regional. I usually try to use terms that the most possible readers will understand. This one just slipped by me.

MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

It's supposedly because that's what the shipping crates used to have stenciled on them! So, from the height of northern England's mill and textile boom.

It's still very commonly used out here, say, in a department store there will be a manchester department. I forgot completely it was regional. I usually try to use terms that the most possible readers will understand. This one just slipped by me.

MOO

I like learning about it!