Virginia - Coronavirus COVID-19

[raysgirl1126]

or this

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

 

[Simply Southern]

I as well am loosing confidence. Where are the numbers of people dying from the Flu? Are they listing all deaths as COVID-19? IMO I read somewhere that a man had taken his father to the hospital under cardiac arrest, he had already had COVID-19 in early Feb and fully recovered. They listed COVID-19 as the result of his death on his death certificate. Why? Why are they reporting false numbers? Causing all this panic? MOO

MHO, I believe, if anything we are under reporting deaths. CDC has strict guidelines on what qualifies as a Covid 19 death. They must have a CDC validated positive test result. This is no longer left up to the medical examiner or the physician. ANY reported Covid reported death is 100% backed up with a positive test. The health depts in each state is responsible for ONLY reporting deaths with a confirmed test.

We DO track the flu, and I DO have a inside source who collects and agitated the data. He went to Lombardy, Italy during the peak, returned to Germany and is now back in the US. His company tracks flu for the WORLD. He noticed increased in negative flu test, verses the high number tested reported from hospitals and physicians, in late Dec.

Nicholas Reich: Biostatistics and Infectious Disease Epidemiology
This man is a world leaders in Flu tracking. Also, on Twitter.

Influenza Surveillance – Epidemiology
This is Virginia Dept of Health Flu tracking for the current year.

Our best tool currently is Health Data, the University Washington, 100% funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and used as the primary source for the WH task force.
You can look at each state's projections here. Under update notes, they are looking at projections they made verse real time deaths, hospitalization. The model DID perform well, what they previously predicted is now shown to be fact.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections
You can look up Virginia in the drop down window.

I spend 45 yrs in HC managements, lots of boots on ground managing disasters >10k people. Decisions are made on models and projections. We do it frequently during hurricane events.

Look at the models, listen to and follow the really smart people like Dr Birx and Dr Facui, these folks are/were on the frontline of HIV, Ebola, and SARS. What they have predicted so far, has come to pass.

I can't provide an answer to the story, the man died of Covid. As always, we hear and read stories that are hard to confirm truth without of a death certificate. The man may have had an undiagnosed case, went to hospital with a heart attack and died and did test possible upon death. Some folks are infected and have mild symptoms. It seems to be, from studies, 5 to7 day after infection a person feels a little bad and takes a drastic decline (nose dive). Its not like other flus where we feel bad, each day getting worse, its more like I feel bad today and I'm in ICU tomorrow!

I'm glad you joined the Virginia thread and hope I have provided information that can help you make the best decisions for yourself and loved ones.

We we are ALL in this together. ​

***Hope I didn't overload you with data.

 

[Simply Southern]

Hello from Hampton Roads, Chesapeake specifically. My son called this morning (he lives in Virginia Beach) and made me promise I would go nowhere for the next two weeks, he even said, "mom...I don't care if you want to go drive to McDonald's and get a coffee, please don't" so when my elderly neighbor called this morning for me to get her some strawberries from a farm stand I go to weekly, Im going to have to say no...
I have plenty to tide me over and I get a farm-to-table delivery every Friday from a local farm, then there is Oberweiss Dairy that delivers on Friday and then there is always Schwans.
Things I wish I had done differently: its only me here and the dog...but I would have filled my tiny frig freezer with meat (I do chicken, turkey and pork, no beef) instead of all the frozen veggies I have in there.
I would have possibly bought a small compact freezer before this all happened. (impossible to get now)
I should have had my grass guy mow last week when he was mowing the neighbors yard ...now its gone wild out there.
I would have bought way more flour and yeast!

Happy you are here on the thread!!!

You are greatly loved by your son. So endearing he calls with "orders" for mom to shelter place. Did we ever expected to be told what to do by our adult children? I didn't, but feel much loved by their concern.

You can and will survive with veggies. I stocked up over last 2 months, especially meat. I'm usually not a big meat eater. I find I'm eating more veggies, rice, soups and beans. Maybe its a comfort to me to have the things I ate growing up. Who knows.
When I do cook meat, I freeze individual servings for future meals.

Remember you can order online and some stores still have grocery pick up, some FB groups have folks willing to go shop for us or go pick up our orders. Neighbourhoods are doing amazing things to help each other.

Keep us posted!!!!

 

[Simply Southern]

I’m in Chesapeake as well, deep creek. Please PM me if you need anything I could drop off on your door step.

WOW, that's a very generous and kind offer!!!!!

 

[Simply Southern]

I as well am loosing confidence. Where are the numbers of people dying from the Flu? Are they listing all deaths as COVID-19? <modsnip> MOO

Here the flu tracking....you will notice a decline in testing this last week. This could and I suspect a reduction in doctor office and ER visits.

I was sick 3 weeks ago. My doctor said...What ever you do, DO NOT go to the ER or Urgent Care. He did offer to test me in the office. I declined, road it out for 4 days and started to feel better. Yes, the flu is still out there.

I think we will see a decline in the flu, do to social distancing. We have seen results in reducing the number of flu cases in school systems with high outbreaks. Schools will close for a day or two for cleaning, which helps stop the spread when kids are forced to stay home.

Influenza Surveillance – Epidemiology

 

[raysgirl1126]

MHO, I believe, if anything we are under reporting deaths. CDC has strict guidelines on what qualifies as a Covid 19 death. They must have a CDC validated positive test result. This is no longer left up to the medical examiner or the physician. ANY reported Covid reported death is 100% backed up with a positive test. The health depts in each state is responsible for ONLY reporting deaths with a confirmed test.

We DO track the flu, and I DO have a inside source who collects and agitated the data. He went to Lombardy, Italy during the peak, returned to Germany and is now back in the US. His company tracks flu for the WORLD. He noticed increased in negative flu test, verses the high number tested reported from hospitals and physicians, in late Dec.

Nicholas Reich: Biostatistics and Infectious Disease Epidemiology
This man is a world leaders in Flu tracking. Also, on Twitter.

Influenza Surveillance – Epidemiology
This is Virginia Dept of Health Flu tracking for the current year.

Our best tool currently is Health Data, the University Washington, 100% funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and used as the primary source for the WH task force.
You can look at each state's projections here. Under update notes, they are looking at projections they made verse real time deaths, hospitalization. The model DID perform well, what they previously predicted is now shown to be fact.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections
You can look up Virginia in the drop down window.

I spend 45 yrs in HC managements, lots of boots on ground managing disasters >10k people. Decisions are made on models and projections. We do it frequently during hurricane events.

Look at the models, listen to and follow the really smart people like Dr Birx and Dr Facui, these folks are/were on the frontline of HIV, Ebola, and SARS. What they have predicted so far, has come to pass.

I can't provide an answer to the story, the man died of Covid. As always, we hear and read stories that are hard to confirm truth without of a death certificate. The man may have had an undiagnosed case, went to hospital with a heart attack and died and did test possible upon death. Some folks are infected and have mild symptoms. It seems to be, from studies, 5 to7 day after infection a person feels a little bad and takes a drastic decline (nose dive). Its not like other flus where we feel bad, each day getting worse, its more like I feel bad today and I'm in ICU tomorrow!

I'm glad you joined the Virginia thread and hope I have provided information that can help you make the best decisions for yourself and loved ones.

We we are ALL in this together. ​

***Hope I didn't overload you with data.

RBBM - please see link below

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

"I'm glad you joined the Virginia thread and hope I have provided information that can help you make the best decisions for yourself and loved ones. "

I actually started the VA thread

ETA: As per the link here, this is why I believe we are actually OVER reporting deaths due to COVID-19

 

[Simply Southern]

@Simply Southern have you seen this B.S.?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

My friends husband is providing all the tracking and projections for the flu. When they put him and his family in a US military plane and returned them to the US 4 weeks ago, after he spent 2 weeks in Lombardy, Italy, I knew it was bad. He's working directly with the WH task force to insure flu projection are accurate.

I couldn't open the file, I'm reaching the max on my computer. If you could tell me your concern, I'll be happy to try and find an answer.

 

[raysgirl1126]

My friends husband is providing all the tracking and projections for the flu. When they put him and his family in a US military plane and returned them to the US 4 weeks ago, after he spent 2 weeks in Lombardy, Italy, I knew it was bad. He's working directly with the WH task force to insure flu projection are accurate.

I couldn't open the file, I'm reaching the max on my computer. If you could tell me your concern, I'll be happy to try and find an answer.

Thank you for all of your info! Try this link

NVSS - COVID-19 Alerts and Information

I will upload the files as well

 

[Simply Southern]

RBBM - please see link below

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

"I'm glad you joined the Virginia thread and hope I have provided information that can help you make the best decisions for yourself and loved ones. "

I actually started the VA thread

ETA: As per the link here, this is why I believe we are actually OVER reporting deaths due to COVID-19

I am so happy you started the thread and apologize for not recognizing you earlier.

I really wish I could open the file, as stated I'm downloaded so much stuff, I'm maxed out. Unfortunately I lack the computer technology to clean up my computer to be able to download new information.

 

[Simply Southern]

Thank you for all of your info! Try this link

NVSS - COVID-19 Alerts and Information

I will upload the files as well

THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!!!

 

[raysgirl1126]

I am so happy you started the thread and apologize for not recognizing you earlier.

I really wish I could open the file, as stated I'm downloaded so much stuff, I'm maxed out. Unfortunately I lack the computer technology to clean up my computer to be able to download new information.

Let's try it this way from my files above

"COVID-19 Alert No. 2 March 24, 2020 New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released. What is the new code? The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular list format. U07.1 COVID-19 Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2) Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9) The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. When will it be implemented? Immediately. Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not. What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms? If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19. As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code. However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19). What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty? If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases. If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19. Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code? Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an unknown code. Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)"

 

[raysgirl1126]

I am so happy you started the thread and apologize for not recognizing you earlier.

I really wish I could open the file, as stated I'm downloaded so much stuff, I'm maxed out. Unfortunately I lack the computer technology to clean up my computer to be able to download new information.

No worries!!
FYI
If you are working on Windows 10, you can go to the bottom left search bar and type in "File Explorer" from there you can open your "Downloads" file and delete unwanted files. Also from file explorer you can open "Documents" and do the same. Then on your home screen there is a thing that looks like a trash can "Recycle Bin" right click then click "Empty Recycle Bin" Ta Da
If you have an Apple computer I have NO CLUE!
Hope this helps!

 

[Simply Southern]

Thank you for all of your info! Try this link

NVSS - COVID-19 Alerts and Information

I will upload the files as well

I still can't see the actual data, it won't even let me open, can you screen shot the pneumonia data. I did read how it's collected and changes.

What I interpret about the data..

The number of reported pneumonia cases reported WILL change over the next few weeks, in a backdated form. As testing results for Covid are confirmed, a reported pneumonia death becomes a confirmed Covid death. Death certificates will/can be reissued. We see it all the time in murder trials

This is a VERY fluid chart, changing with back dated information daily as deaths are confirmed by testing or autopsy results. There is a 2 week lag, as stated in the reporting to actually confirmation.

So, a person dies of what they think is pneumonia and it is reported as such on the death certificate. Remember ONLY tested confirmed cases can be reported on the death certicertificate.

We currently have 7 to 14 day lag on testing results. We can't let folks lay in the morgue for 2 weeks, families would have a fit and civil liberties would be all over this. This is so family can arrange burial, and collect any life insurance funds.

Once the positive test result is released, the pneumonia death (reported prior to receiving confirmed positive) Will be MOVED from the pneumonia category to the confirmed Covid death category.

This is to insure we DO NOT over or under count the data. Keeping data clean and true will give us better information and a truer picture.

What will be interesting over the next several weeks is just how much this chart will change? Now many of those pneumonia cases were actually Covid.

I am glad to see, CDC recognizes that flu/pneumonia deaths could actually be Covid19. It leads to validation to Nicks data.

Nicholas G. Reich (@reichlab) | Twitter

See the chart March 27th in his Twitter account. Shows all the flu testing done and positive results. Notice the huge increase in flu testing in Jan and Feb. (Purple) and the low number of positives (green). Folks may of had mild Covid in Jan and Feb and just didn't know. But it sure shows large increase in flu testing. Keep in mind we didn't have Covid testing til what was it ...Feb or March??? So ERs and doctors were using the only test they had...flu.

Just my opinion....

 

[raysgirl1126]

I still can't see the actual data, it won't even let me open, can you screen shot the pneumonia data. I did read how it's collected and changes.

What I interrupt about the data..

The number of reported pneumonia cases reported WILL change over the next few weeks, in a backdated form. As testing results for Covid are confirmed, a reported pneumonia death becomes a confirmed Covid death. Death certificates will/can be reissued. We see it all the time in murder trials

This is a VERY fluid chart, changing with back dated information daily as deaths are confirmed by testing or autopsy results. There is a 2 week lag, as stated in the reporting to actually confirmation.

So, a person dies of what they think is pneumonia and it is reported as such on the death certificate. Remember ONLY tested confirmed cases can be reported on the death certicertificate.

We currently have 7 to 14 day lag on testing results. We can't let folks lay in the morgue for 2 weeks, families would have a fit and civil liberties would be all over this. This is so family can arrange burial, and collect any life insurance funds.

Once the positive test result is released, the pneumonia death (reported prior to receiving confirmed positive) Will be MOVED from the pneumonia category to the confirmed Covid death category.

This is to insure we DO NOT over or under count the data. Keeping data clean and true will give us better information and a truer picture.

What will be interesting over the next several weeks is just how much this chart will change? Now many of those pneumonia cases were actually Covid.

I am glad to see, CDC recognizes that flu/pneumonia deaths could actually be Covid19. It leads to validation to Nicks data.

Nicholas G. Reich (@reichlab) | Twitter

See the chart March 27th in his Twitter account. Shows all the flu testing done and positive results. Notice the huge increase in flu testing in Jan and Feb. (Purple) and the low number of positives (green). Folks may of had mild Covid in Jan and Feb and just didn't know. But it sure shows large increase in flu testing. Keep in mind we didn't have Covid testing til what was it ...Feb or March??? So ERs and doctors were using the only test they had...flu.

Just my opinion....

But see that's the thing that gets me. You said ONLY confirmed cases, but this e-mail from CDC contradicts that

"COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

I don't like "assumed". To me that also means reported deaths could be OVER reported. So what happens if the death is reported as Covid then comes back negative 2 weeks later? Will the numbers be changed, and to what? Pneumonia? The Flu? What if they aren't testing these so called "Covid" patients for the Flu and "assume" that Covid is the cause, how do they change the cause back to the Flu if they never tested? MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Let's try it this way from my files above

"COVID-19 Alert No. 2 March 24, 2020 New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released. What is the new code? The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular list format. U07.1 COVID-19 Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2) Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9) The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics. When will it be implemented? Immediately. Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not. What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms? If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19. As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code. However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19). What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty? If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases. If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19. Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code? Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an unknown code. Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)"

snipped from above.....If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID19.

This issues a mandated requirement to test, after death for all pending or unconfirmed cases. If testing was available.

.....COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc

Here they are asking for the medical documentation used to base the diagnosis of Covid for death. They now know how a Covid patients chest xray will look, they know the blood gas values that are seen in Covid they are unique to the disease. This mainly applies to deaths prior to nationwide testing and insures a way to certify deaths based on medial records illustrating same/similar to Covid tested confirmed deaths. So basically they are saying if you didn't have a test for it at the time, then send us the medical record used to make your determination.

Over the new weeks or months hospital RNs in the QA departments will be pulling patient charts and reviewing them in depth. They will in turn forward to the hospitals Peer Review Committee for more in depth review by physicians. We may see numbers changing for the next few weeks as hospitals work to analyze those that died or were hospitalized with similar symptoms prior to testing.

I do know from my friends that work in the local hospital and surrounding hospitals that are in infectious disease or quality assurance Departments they are furiously pulling records or January February to review for possible Covid infections. For two reasons, one those that didn't die could/may have the new assay test to verify if they had a mild case, these folks can/may choose to donate plasma to be used for patient therapy. Two, determine penetration within a community.

Thank you for locating this information. I think this insures the number we end up with in say 6 months will be a better reflection of deaths and infections. We will see round two in the fall and maybe round three in spring of 2021.

 

[Simply Southern]

No worries!!
FYI
If you are working on Windows 10, you can go to the bottom left search bar and type in "File Explorer" from there you can open your "Downloads" file and delete unwanted files. Also from file explorer you can open "Documents" and do the same. Then on your home screen there is a thing that looks like a trash can "Recycle Bin" right click then click "Empty Recycle Bin" Ta Da
If you have an Apple computer I have NO CLUE!
Hope this helps!

After retiring last year, I switched to a tablet, who would have thought I'd need my laptop. I also switched to a wire less data plan that I can't access with my laptop. So, I'm stuck with my tablet loaded with pictures of my grandkids that I can't transfer to anything at the moment. It won't let me download anything else or even open the files til I purge.

Again, you are finding great information and I greatly appreciate !!!!

 

[Simply Southern]

But see that's the thing that gets me. You said ONLY confirmed cases, but this e-mail from CDC contradicts that

"COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

I don't like "assumed". To me that also means reported deaths could be OVER reported. So what happens if the death is reported as Covid then comes back negative 2 weeks later? Will the numbers be changed, and to what? Pneumonia? The Flu? What if they aren't testing these so called "Covid" patients for the Flu and "assume" that Covid is the cause, how do they change the cause back to the Flu if they never tested? MOO

Keep in mind the lag in getting test kits. So, in "assumed cases" the CDC wants to know how and why the Dr. assumed it was Covid.

Most folks don't know, but CDC can access the Medicare and Medicare "billing" records for charges, tests etc. Medicare can quickly produce reports of specific diagnosis by city, state, length of hospital stay, death, the list goes on. Private insurances have the same capabilities and may release to CDC. These will/may not have patient names. Just data by diagnosis, city and state.

The US has a major advantage over many counties with our computer capabilities and ability to collect, capture and analyze data quickly. Thanks to all those really smart computer folks!!!!

ETA... I don't like assumptions either, neither does Dr. Facui, I love real numbers!!! So CDC issuing a "look back" to justify Covid19 is a good thing, but boy will the numbers be a changing....

 

[raysgirl1126]

After retiring last year, I switched to a tablet, who would have thought I'd need my laptop. I also switched to a wire less data plan that I can't access with my laptop. So, I'm stuck with my tablet loaded with pictures of my grandkids that I can't transfer to anything at the moment. It won't let me download anything else or even open the files til I purge.

Again, you are finding great information and I greatly appreciate !!!!

E-mail the pictures to yourself! Then you can delete them off of your tablet!!

Thanks for all of your feedback, you've really cleared a lot of things up for me!!

 

[tabitha111]

Thanks for the welcome...I have all I need, but wow...Deep Creek isn't far from me at all..I live near City Hall off of Cedar Road.
I prepped awhile ago and turned my extra bedroom into a pantry with wire shelves and everything, I am full to the brim.
I order everything I need, and get chicken delivered every Friday thru Neighborhood Harvest...they are delivering toilet paper now too..LOL...have tons of that though.

I only was thinking of things I would have done differently had I known meat was going to be so scarce, etc.
I have an ear infection at the moment, well, I think it is...similar to one I have had in the recent past...so I have a Zoom appt with my dr this afternoon.
I love that I can do that. I certainly do not want to be in any dr. offices unless I absolutely have to be.

 

[Simply Southern]

E-mail the pictures to yourself! Then you can delete them off of your tablet!!

Thanks for all of your feedback, you've really cleared a lot of things up for me!!

Wow never thougnt of that!!!

Thank you so much!!!