WA - 3 children, ages 13, 9 and 7, among 5 killed inside Fall City home, 15 y.o. in custody - 21 October 2024

  • #161
When I think of an 11-year-old girl being shot in the neck and the head by her oldest brother and then having the presence of mind to play dead--it just hits differently.

MOO, but I think most children would scream, beg, cry, etc.

She's only 11, and her whole world was just ripped away.
Agreed.
She could have so easily died !

I'm beyond grateful the surviving sibling is still with us --she may be able to shed light on anything the perp claims, whether true or completely bogus :

Too strict for him and he chafed at the rules ?
Not enough personal time ?
Denied access to internet browsing without parental oversight ?
Injustice collector ?

The list could be long.
I'm sorry for the trauma the perp has caused to this child.
Imo.

May the parents, Mark and Sarah, and the three deceased young ones, rest in peace !
 
  • #162
I know that nurses (and other healthcare professionals as well) are leaving in droves, but I do wonder if her not renewing her license was her idea.
Whose idea would it be if not hers?
 
  • #163
There is a court case where MH filed a civil suit against a contractor who did over a $550k renovation on the home. Evidently something went awry, but it was settled a few months later. IMO, the walk out basement may have been used to create more bedrooms.

Nothing can really explain annihilating your own family in cold blood and trying to frame your dead brother for it. Plenty of kids in economically challenged large families grow up in small apartments or homes with a lack of privacy. We’re looking at something different in this case, MOO.
<modsnip - not victim friendly>

stealth edit - interesting point about the nursing license. Personally I let mine lapse because I didn't have the time, energy, or family support to be able to keep up with the clinical hours. I always figured I could do re-entry when the kids were older if I really wanted to get back into it.
 
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  • #164
This struck me as odd. I don’t know all the ins and outs of homeschooling, but the circumstances of a situation where a teen is in trouble for “failing tests at school” while being homeschooled doesn’t fully make sense to me.

Appreciate any insight from those with more knowledge of homeschooling!

The first question I would ask if they attended a homeschool co-op, with other children, certain classes adjusted to ages, and several instructors or parents volunteering? Or whether homeschooling meant just that: five kids of different ages stuck in the house, with one parent teaching them? <modsnip - no link>

“Failing tests”: In WA, for homeschooled kids, to monitor progress, there are either certain standardized achievement tests or yearly assessments of what the student has learned done by a certified teacher. But, perhaps the parents periodically administered own tests, like the school does, and he failed one of them? We don’t even know what the subject was.
 
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  • #165
<modsnip - not victim friendly>

stealth edit - interesting point about the nursing license. Personally I let mine lapse because I didn't have the time, energy, or family support to be able to keep up with the clinical hours. I always figured I could do re-entry when the kids were older if I really wanted to get back into it.
<modsnip - quoted post was snipped>

Thanks for sharing why you let your licensing lapse, makes perfect sense. Its a demanding career.
 
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  • #166
Beautiful home, this may explain the layout and some of the details provided in the 911 calls.
https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...e-Alice-Rd-SE_Fall-City_WA_98024_M92133-77702
It is a gorgeous home. It seems like it would be lovely as a vacation home but (in the listing photos, anyway), it looks pretty open. There are a lot of large open spaces and railings instead of walls. Makes me wonder if the kids had the usual amount of privacy that most home layouts provide
I had the same thoughts, the home is large and pretty, but really very open and with a mum constantly at home and several siblings as well, it might get really stressful depending on your personality and stress levels at the home.
Sarah has a beautiful collection of pins, https://www.pinterest.com/agapetos81/

Thank you, it is an interesting insight to the fam

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  • #167
Curious how he was able to unlock Dad's cell phone, but I remembered you can call 911 regardless.

Sarah has a beautiful collection of pins, https://www.pinterest.com/agapetos81/ - she was a truly dedicated SAHM. I'm sad for the surviving sister, extended family and community. As always, I want to know the "why". But in this case, not sure it will help understand his thought process in making a decision to erase his entire family, including siblings so there would be no living witnesses. It really makes no sense, regardless of what is being said about the strict nature of his upbringing. Who would he go live with that would allow him to do as he wishes? Did he have a plan for that?

also, not everyone locks their phone, although he probably did
 
  • #168
It is a gorgeous home. It seems like it would be lovely as a vacation home but (in the listing photos, anyway), it looks pretty open. There are a lot of large open spaces and railings instead of walls. Makes me wonder if the kids had the usual amount of privacy that most home layouts provide. Three bedrooms with one being the primary...

and she calls them the girl's room and the boy's room in her pins on pinterest
 
  • #169
I know that nurses (and other healthcare professionals as well) are leaving in droves, but I do wonder if her not renewing her license was her idea.
It was just as covid started to decline. Could very well have been burnout.
<modsnip: There is nothing to indicate the family belonged to a specific church or that religion is a factor in this case>
 
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All five victims suffered gunshots wounds and four had been shot in the head, according to the King County Medical Examiner’s Office.
A King County judge ruled Friday that media cannot name or show the suspect’s face at this time in the case.
 
  • #172

Article has more details about a discretionary decline hearing, what it means, the process, etc.
 
  • #173
ADMIN NOTE:

There is no MSM source to indicate that the family attended a specific church or that religion is a factor in this case. A link to a church was simply stating that it was holding a community support event, nothing about the family having been members.

Re the mom not renewing her nursing licence .. there is also absolutely nothing to indicate that the husband was in any way controlling or abusive, or had any input whatsoever into the wife making such a decision. This is NOT victim friendly and is baseless speculation. Please stop making stuff up just because it floats through your head.

Members who try to tie these types of things into a case when there is nothing to support such unfounded speculation may find themselves banned from discussions.
 
  • #174
Sarah's pinterest page that was posted earlier is illuminating, not in a good or bad way but just that it sheds light on the family. She pinned about homesteading, hunting and fishing, and so forth. So I think a move to a more rural setting, becoming a SAHM, raising rabbits and possibly chickens for food were part of a lifestyle change. I'm not judging, I used to hunt, I am planning on semi-homesteading in retirement which I am entering. So I get it. But for a 15 year old it could have been too much!
 
  • #175
<modsnip - not victim friendly>

stealth edit - interesting point about the nursing license. Personally I let mine lapse because I didn't have the time, energy, or family support to be able to keep up with the clinical hours. I always figured I could do re-entry when the kids were older if I really wanted to get back into it.

This style of houses, with open floor plans and all windows, is very popular. Another, almost opposite, is what I call “military style”, all straight angles, but also, huge windows. As everyone else, I have a lot of questions about the dynamics inside the family, but judging by Pinterest, Sarah had good taste, so the house floor plan may be as simple as this. Likewise, I suspect she had a say in the family. She was local, which usually means a family and a community, and he, a transplant. So I assume that her license lapsing meant, they moved away and she was tired from driving to/from Edmonds.
 
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  • #177
I don't mean this in any disparaging way at all but I would note that this family had a lot of changes in the last 5 years. They moved from Edmonds to Fall City in October 2019. Sarah was a nurse and renewed her license in November 2020 then let it expire in November 2021. I suspect that is around when she started being a SAHM but I don't have any specific information to support that suspicion except her giving up her nursing license. <modsnip: There is no source re family belonging to the referenced church> Sometimes changes can impact people in strange ways, especially adolescents.

nursys.com

Just as an alternate point of view, I was a military brat who moved constantly along with 4 other siblings. Never having roots or a friend base for longer than 3-4 years at a time. Myself, nor my siblings have ever been arrested for anything.

It did not affect us adversely, rather I think it helped me exponentially to acclimate more easily to college and work environments later in life.

JMO
 
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  • #179
I read the PCA several times and have a few things to note. To avoid using names of minors I'll use age and sex instead. For example the surviving sister is 11f.

11f said she was awakened by gunshots and looked out her bedroom door to see 9m and dad on the floor. Dad was found partially on top of 9m so that suggests 9m was the first victim. 7f got up and went to the door after which 11f heard another shot and saw 7f go down. 15m then comes into 11f room and shoots her once or twice. 11f then hears someone yell "Stop" and "Help" before hearing 15m talking on the phone. 11f then saw 15m checking that the others were dead then 15m came back into 11f room and she played dead until he left and went upstairs after which she escaped through a fire window.

The bedrooms were downstairs in a daylight basement.

Mom had apparently barricaded herself in the master bathroom but 15f forced the door open. It's unclear to me when 13m and mom were killed.

But all in all this seems planned to me.

It's also curious that 11f ran past 8-10 houses before ringing the doorbell of the neighbor. I don't suspect anything other than she may have been panicked or those neighbors were trusted. Those neighbors are in their 50s so it is unlikely they have kids or grandkids her age.
I've missed it somehow, can you share the link to the PCA?
 
  • #180
Sarah's pinterest page that was posted earlier is illuminating, not in a good or bad way but just that it sheds light on the family. She pinned about homesteading, hunting and fishing, and so forth. So I think a move to a more rural setting, becoming a SAHM, raising rabbits and possibly chickens for food were part of a lifestyle change. I'm not judging, I used to hunt, I am planning on semi-homesteading in retirement which I am entering. So I get it. But for a 15 year old it could have been too much!
Almost to a pin, her pinterest page is identical to mine, and many other Christian, homesteading, homeschooling women I know. This IS my life (retired on the homeschooling since all my kids are grown now), and the life of so many other women and none of our kids take up a weapon and slaughter the entire family. I don't believe for a moment that any lifestyle change is what motivated this young man to do what he did.

jmo
 

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