WA - 3 children, ages 13, 9 and 7, among 5 killed inside Fall City home, 15 y.o. in custody - 21 October 2024

[sunflowermomma]

.So I checked and unbelievably, there is a bus from Fall City to the places with good Running Start programs. But it takes 3 hours to get to these cities! Consider that Fall city is 25 miles East of Seattle, unless the site is glitching it is unbelievable.

The site is not glitching. Microsoft and Amazon run private transport for employees so there are few city buses that go out to Fall City/Carnation/Snoqualmie/Duvall/Sammamish infrequently. I attended the Running Start program while living out in the valley and it was not possible to get to Bellevue College via bus due to the length and limited bus schedule. If you timed it perfectly and were sure you wouldn't miss the last bus it could work but it's very difficult and inconvenient.

Fall City isn't the middle of nowhere but it's extremely inconvenient to get anywhere if you don't have a car or can't drive yet.

 

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[Zinn]

I have to wonder if the family choosing to homeschool had anything to do with the oldest son having some behavioral/scholastic problems in public school.

Pulling five kids out of public school to homeschool seems a lot to tackle all at once. Did the parents feel they were losing control of their children? It's reported that the parents had rules the children could not play with the children of nearby LBGT families and that those rules caused a rift in the neighborhood.

Complete speculation, but I have to wonder if the oldest son had a crush on a daughter/son of the LBGT family. Teens (and adults) can do some crazy things when they're in love.

All JMOO

Think back to March, 2020. At that time, these parents had children aged 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. If the 6/8/10 year olds were enrolled in a public or private elementary school, they would have shifted to remote learning. It’s possible they were home schooled prior to Covid, I don’t know.

 

[Knox]

I’m trying to determine what is factual and what is speculation and being repeated as fact.

We don’t actually know when the kids began homeschooling or if the decision to do so was related to Covid or other reasons?

Also the comments regarding MH and forbidding his kids to associate with kids from a LGBTQ family in the neighborhood. Is this factual?

Until more information becomes available through the investigation, speculating on the reason the fifteen year old annihilated his family needs to be kept within TOS. The parents and siblings are victims.

The surviving sister is left to be the only witness. Not just of the murders, but also to tell what was going on in the family behind closed doors. What a horrible burden for an 11 year old child.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I’m trying to determine what is factual and what is speculation and being repeated as fact.

RSBM
I have seen very little factual information other than they were homeschooled and mom was SAHM since early Covid- nothing about how long they homeschooled, or the neighbors or limited interactions etc…

 

[Ontario Mom]

I’m trying to determine what is factual and what is speculation and being repeated as fact.

We don’t actually know when the kids began homeschooling or if the decision to do so was related to Covid or other reasons?

Also the comments regarding MH and forbidding his kids to associate with kids from a LGBTQ family in the neighborhood. Is this factual?

Until more information becomes available through the investigation, speculating on the reason the fifteen year old annihilated his family needs to be kept within TOS. The parents and siblings are victims.

The surviving sister is left to be the only witness. Not just of the murders, but also to tell what was going on in the family behind closed doors. What a horrible burden for an 11 year old child.

Re: homeschooling - no, we do not have that info as to when/why.
Re: kids being forbidden to hang out with specific kids in the neighborhood - source: Daily Mail cited "family insider" as the source of that, and it's not been reported anywhere else, that I've seen. Every other source states the kids were well known, good kids, involved in the neighborhood, etc.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Thanks for posting this article. In the video along with it, the news station created a basic floor plan of the house based on public records & marked where each of the victims was found in the house. Also, in the aerial shots of the house, it's interesting to see how close it looks like it is to the house next to it.

Exactly. I’m sorry, but when people keep describing this neighborhood as “rural” in relation to homesteading, it’s a little frustrating. It’s about as far from a “homesteading” property as you can get. My son describes these as McMansions. Please don’t read that as a slur, I live in similar. They’re just very large homes built in a certain way….and it’s not for “Homesteading”. The space is pretty, but actually kind of useless.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Exactly. I’m sorry, but when people keep describing this neighborhood as “rural” in relation to homesteading, it’s a little frustrating. It’s about as far from a “homesteading” property as you can get. My son describes these as McMansions. Please don’t read that as a slur, I live in similar. They’re just very large homes built in a certain way….and it’s not for “Homesteading”. The space is pretty, but actually kind of useless.

And as for the community being boring for kids/teens, only if you try to make it that way. The entire valley has excellent parks and rec departments that provide so many opportunities for youth I couldn’t begin to name them all. Ditto the churches, the libraries and so many youth organizations. On top of that we are positioned close to the mountains (summer hiking, mountain biking, etc), winter skiing, etc…lakes, rivers, the ocean…you name it, we have it. You have to go out of your way, I mean FAR out of your way to be bored here.

 

[Squirrel85]

Just a guess but I'd guess her husband made between $150,000 a year and $250,000 a year. If I had to pick a single number I'd guess $225,000. This is based on personal knowledge of what engineers get paid. Their firm website says they do mostly government work. The government has restrictions on billing rates for engineering services.

Is that good money? That's subjective but in my opinion, in Seattle, with 5 kids and a likely big mortgage on their house, I'd say they were upper middle class but not rich.

ETA: I looked on Glassdoor. They pay a senior engineer between $110,000 and $157,000. Mark was a little higher up as an associate principal engineer so I'm going to stick with my estimate or even lower it a little.

It is very expensive to live in Seattle and Washington State in general.

My husband is a software engineer, he makes more than $225,000 (not quite $300,000). We have three children, and I am currently in college; we live on one income. We couldn't afford to live in Seattle because of the high cost of living. We almost were forced to live there when my husband worked for a company in the Netherlands; they have an office there. My husband found a different job because he didn't want to relocate.

I don't see how someone making $225,000 could live in the same kind of house the victims were living in. Unless... they were living on one income while mom was working and saved her earnings to buy the house with cash. Some dual-income families will live on one income to build up cushy savings.

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[Centaurus]

It is very expensive to live in Seattle and Washington State in general.

My husband is a software engineer, he makes more than $225,000 (not quite $300,000). We have three children, and I am currently in college; we live on one income. We couldn't afford to live in Seattle because of the high cost of living. We almost were forced to live there when my husband worked for a company in the Netherlands; they have an office there. My husband found a different job because he didn't want to relocate.

I don't see how someone making $225,000 could live in the same kind of house the victims were living in. Unless... they were living on one income while mom was working and saved her earnings to buy the house with cash. Some dual-income families will live on one income to build up cushy savings.

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Unfortunately, we just don't have enough information about them. Maybe they had a lot of equity in their last home that rolled over into this one? Maybe they came into a family inheritance or a large bonus at work? It's difficult to speculate.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

RSBM
I have seen very little factual information other than they were homeschooled and mom was SAHM since early Covid- nothing about how long they homeschooled, or the neighbors or limited interactions etc…

As to the isolation, almost immediately police were stating that many members of the public would be affected. Churches were organizing and sending out emails stating that this would affect the community as they were “our friends and neighbors”. There was a brief time on our local FB group the speculation was that it was a political family, because the cautions were so quick and so organized that the family was well known, so frankly, I’m not sure the “isolated” thing applies. Please understand….while I live in the community, and can talk about what is happening locally, I did not know the family personally, so I cannot verify anything about them one way or the other. So MOO.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

As to the isolation, almost immediately police were stating that many members of the public would be affected. Churches were organizing and sending out emails stating that this would affect the community as they were “our friends and neighbors”. There was a brief time on our local FB group the speculation was that it was a political family, because the cautions were so quick and so organized that the family was well known, so frankly, I’m not sure the “isolated” thing applies. Please understand….while I live in the community, and can talk about what is happening locally, I did not know the family personally, so I cannot verify anything about them one way or the other. So MOO.

Do you have MSM links for the police comments and churches organizing?

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Do you have MSM links for the police comments and churches organizing?

I don’t know how to link private FB group info here and I’m not even sure I should (read, I won’t), as it’s part of private groups. But I do believe the police were quoted widely in news media.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I don’t know how to link private FB group info here and I’m not even sure I should (read, I won’t), as it’s part of private groups. But I do believe the police were quoted widely in news media.

If we can’t provide links to MSM then I’m not sure we can post details not known to the public without being a verified insider - I’ll report my own post to check with the mods

 

[Tricia]

If we can’t provde links to MSM then I’m not sure we can post details not known to the public without being a verified insider - I’ll report my own post to check with the mods

We can't link to private Facebook posts. It is not allowed.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

We can't link to private Facebook posts. It is not allowed.

And no posting insider information without being an insider, or posting a link correct?

 

[Charlot123]

It is very expensive to live in Seattle and Washington State in general.

My husband is a software engineer, he makes more than $225,000 (not quite $300,000). We have three children, and I am currently in college; we live on one income. We couldn't afford to live in Seattle because of the high cost of living. We almost were forced to live there when my husband worked for a company in the Netherlands; they have an office there. My husband found a different job because he didn't want to relocate.

I don't see how someone making $225,000 could live in the same kind of house the victims were living in. Unless... they were living on one income while mom was working and saved her earnings to buy the house with cash. Some dual-income families will live on one income to build up cushy savings.

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It is really hard to count someone else's earnings. I think because Seattle became such a high-tech hub, the cost of living went up but the bubble may burst. However, people may be excellent investors, have side businesses or inherit from relatives.

 

[georgiajean]

Washington State homeschooling info. Washington Homeschool Laws
Further details: How to Comply with Washington’s Homeschool Law

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Washington State homeschooling info. Washington Homeschool Laws
Further details: How to Comply with Washington’s Homeschool Law

Thanks

 

[Gemmie]

The family residence in the Lake Alice Neighborhood (Fall City, WA) is not so different than living in similar high end areas in the area. They had neighbors, were 14 miles from Costco, and even closer to Starbucks. If they moved to Lake Alice 6 years ago, the offender would have been age 11

Respectfully... 6 yrs ago he would have been 9 as he's 15 now. And of course Starbucks was closer to CostCo... they're just about on every corner.