WA - 3 children, ages 13, 9 and 7, among 5 killed inside Fall City home, 15 y.o. in custody - 21 October 2024

[KonaHonu]

Do we know what model (I am thinking of how many bullets)?

I did a bullet accounting for myself a few days ago. I think I counted 10 bullets that hit the victims as described in the PCA.

According to wikipedia Glocks come with a 17-round magazine but higher capacity magazines are available. Glock - Wikipedia.

So even if a few shots missed, it seems to add up.

 

[Zinn]

I don't know if there is "one" reason. We might know more as this case unravels.

Does anyone feel that the type/amount of the wounds might indicate the perpetrator's feelings towards the deceased, or it was just a planned execution but how it went was random? The accused is a good shooter, so maybe the amount of projectiles was somewhat indicative?

To me, it feels that the biggest source of fear and hatred was the father. The next in the intensity of feelings was the 13-year-old brother (as a close in age male, potentially a bigger threat? He was likely also in growth spurt and strong? Or was it jealousy? Or perhaps "hanging the murders" on the brother was a special punishment? Could he feel that the brother was "telling on him" to the parents? Or was the brother the only "potential" person to blame it on, besides himself?). There is clear overkill with the brother. What does it mean? It would seem that the mother was the next in the degree of emotions she elicited - he absolutely planned to eliminate her but she was not the obvious source of fear, so he finished her off later? As to the siblings, as a good shooter, he eliminated them quickly. Initially I thought that perhaps the 11-year-old sister, the firstborn girl, enjoyed special attention from both parents, and probably, even the accused? But now I think that the perpetrator merely overrated his shooting skills - everyone is unmoving, so he became sloppy. Or perhaps, for some reason, calling the police ASAP was the bigger goal than finishing the sister?

In any case, he thought that he had an airtight case with his younger brother being the shooter. (From this standpoint, leaving one child wounded wouldn't matter; he didn't know the sister was the perfect witness, and he himself wasn't wounded, so what if one of the kids was just wounded, not dead? His goal was to take out the three - dad, brother, mom - and call the police ASAP to explain why he survived; barricaded somewhere).

What do people think?

I suspect the intention was to shoot everyone in the head or simply most efficiently/lethally. That was the outcome, aside from 11F who sustained wounds to neck and hand, likely due to her position in the upper bunk and then playing dead.

Father was the only deceased victim to sustain wounds to the body and not just the head. Rather than pointing to greater rage toward Dad, I suspect this might have been due to Dad traversing more space, being a moving target, perhaps attempting to overtake 15M and/or shield 9M.

Mother appears to have somehow survived the first shot so was shot a second time after fleeing to the bathroom. I suspect he wouldn’t have bothered otherwise.

Don’t know why 13M was shot twice. It’s curious considering his later attempt to frame him. Makes me wonder if the framing element was not planned and more of a panicked response after the fact that was just not well thought out. Or could be it was a chaotic scene in a relatively small space, maybe 13M was in motion when shot and/or maybe that portion of the hallway was not well lit and 15M didn’t realize he’d shot him twice.

I agree that the explanation given during the attempted framing might have been a tell. I also agree there was almost definitely not a singular reason that motivated 15M to take such incredibly extreme action.

All JMO.

 

[Knox]

I suspect the intention was to shoot everyone in the head or simply most efficiently/lethally. That was the outcome, aside from 11F who sustained wounds to neck and hand, likely due to her position in the upper bunk and then playing dead.

Father was the only deceased victim to sustain wounds to the body and not just the head. Rather than pointing to greater rage toward Dad, I suspect this might have been due to Dad traversing more space, being a moving target, perhaps attempting to overtake 15M and/or shield 9M.

Mother appears to have somehow survived the first shot so was shot a second time after fleeing to the bathroom. I suspect he wouldn’t have bothered otherwise.

Don’t know why 13M was shot twice. It’s curious considering his later attempt to frame him. Makes me wonder if the framing element was not planned and more of a panicked response after the fact that was just not well thought out. Or could be it was a chaotic scene in a relatively small space, maybe 13M was in motion when shot and/or maybe that portion of the hallway was not well lit and 15M didn’t realize he’d shot him twice.

I agree that the explanation given during the attempted framing might have been a tell. I also agree there was almost definitely not a singular reason that motivated 15M to take such incredibly extreme action.

All JMO.

I just read the report tonight. I was shocked that all were shot in the head except surviving sister. He must have been a fairly good aim, makes me wonder if Dad ever took him to a shooting range?

Calculated, cold blooded, systematic murders. This child has no soul or empathy. He could have stopped at one, then shot himself. But he didn’t.

There was a large pool of blood beside the bed in the master, Mom must have been in bed when he intitally shot her, but was able to flee to the bathroom. He broke down the door and shot her in the head again. His own Mom. The thought of how that played out is horrifying.

Was Dad killed first? Where was Mom in the order?

This is one case I will follow to the end. I need to know why.

 

[Bounceycat]

Father was the only deceased victim to sustain wounds to the body and not just the head.

Father was also the only victim to have been shot in the back.

 

[Charlot123]

Father was also the only victim to have been shot in the back.

It seems that the father, the adult male, represented the biggest threat and needed to be taken off first. So he perp. shot the father in the back and then, in the head.

 

[Kemug]

Apparent from it being so shocking, it's all very sad, isn't it. A family of 7, living in such idyllic surroundings, the parents obviously cared for their children - how did it all go so wrong? Apart from anything else, the 2 teenage boys should have been best friends, "mates for life". In a few decades' time, they should have been reminiscing about their wonderful childhood. So sad and tragic.

 

[Zinn]

I just read the report tonight. I was shocked that all were shot in the head except surviving sister. He must have been a fairly good aim, makes me wonder if Dad ever took him to a shooting range?

Calculated, cold blooded, systematic murders. This child has no soul or empathy. He could have stopped at one, then shot himself. But he didn’t.

There was a large pool of blood beside the bed in the master, Mom must have been in bed when he intitally shot her, but was able to flee to the bathroom. He broke down the door and shot her in the head again. His own Mom. The thought of how that played out is horrifying.

Was Dad killed first? Where was Mom in the order?

This is one case I will follow to the end. I need to know why.

No evidence Mom was shot in bed in the docs. Only evidence mentioned of a victim in bed was blood on blanket and pillow in upper bunk of 11F. It is implied that blood trail suggests Mom was first shot to the right of the bed in the master bedroom and later shot in the master bath.

It is interesting that none of the earliest victims were shot in bed, despite the shootings likely occurring around 4:40-4:45am.

 

[Seattle1]

Nov 1, 2024

Fall City mass shooting: Records show possible defense for teen suspect

Prosecutors allege the 15-year-old framed his 13-year-old brother as the shooter, but defense attorneys say the suspect's narrative is "forensically viable."

www.seattletimes.com

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852418806901068186

 

[Megnut]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852418806901068186

Right. His. Unsupported.

And his surviving sister's. Supported by the evidence.

I know which one I believe.

JMO

 

[KonaHonu]

Right. His. Unsupported.

And his surviving sister's. Supported by the evidence.

I know which one I believe.

JMO

Lol, yeah, totally agree. The gun was in 13m's left hand. That make sense if he was left-handed. But the how did he shoot himself in the right side of his head with the gun at least 6 inches away? (PCA)

If that is their best defense it's going to be a quick trial!

 

[Zinn]

Nov 1, 2024

Fall City mass shooting: Records show possible defense for teen suspect

Prosecutors allege the 15-year-old framed his 13-year-old brother as the shooter, but defense attorneys say the suspect's narrative is "forensically viable."

www.seattletimes.com

If 15M was the shooter, this is just more trauma for his surviving sister to endure.
Of course the possibility should be explored if 15M is sticking to his original account.

As for the defense’s assertion about lack of blood on 15M, I recall a checkered shirt was found on the floor near the boys’ shower and wonder if there was blood on the shirt and/or if 15M might have showered off before calling 911. I would have thought blood on the shirt would have been noted but maybe not if it would mean disturbing potential evidence to inspect it. 11F had reported her brother had been wearing a checkered shirt. Don’t know if it’s the same shirt.

To be generous to 15M, a scenario that could potentially make sense would be one in which 11F misidentified the person who shot her but then correctly identified the 911 caller who perhaps checked pulses and listened for her breathing to check for signs of life to report status to 911 after emerging from hiding in a bathroom. I think this is unlikely, especially given the TWO gunshots to the head sustained by 13M. I also don’t know why 13M would break down one bathroom door and not another if he was on a rampage. And of course 11F not only identified 15M as the shooter but also said he was the only child with access to the lockbox for the gun.

I’m far more inclined to believe there is ample evidence that makes things abundantly clear, even without relying on 11F’s statements, but the defense is just doing it’s job.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I can think of at least two other defenses that would work better than such a despicable defense, and I am honestly not that smart. Get it together, lawyers. (And alleged murderer.)

 

[Bounceycat]

Nov 1, 2024

Fall City mass shooting: Records show possible defense for teen suspect

Prosecutors allege the 15-year-old framed his 13-year-old brother as the shooter, but defense attorneys say the suspect's narrative is "forensically viable."

www.seattletimes.com

This article notes that 11f is with her maternal grandmother, who is acting as her guardian. I know some were concerned about her being placed with family.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

^^rsbm

I suggest ignoring "Fall City" that few have ever heard of and instead map the actual address of the residence. I believe you will find that their Lake Alice neighborhood itself is actually more along the I-90 corridor and better aligned with "Snoqualmie Ridge" than "Fall City" where the family home is only a 5 minute bike ride to the YMCA, Mod Pizza, Safeway, Starbucks, etc., Exit 25 or Snoqualmie Parkway would be my choice versus "Fall City Rd" exit which leads to the the historic town center in the opposite direction of the family's residence and where you have to loop back get nearer to I-90!

IMO, I think this or any realty video describing "Snoqualmie Ridge" gives a better idea of the environment the family enjoyed. I trust after viewing, you can see where anybody living here would not likely describe their existence as feeling "trapped."

Exactly! Thank you for posting this.

 

[Seattle1]

I can think of at least two other defenses that would work better than such a despicable defense, and I am honestly not that smart. Get it together, lawyers. (And alleged murderer.)

It's very shameful the defense is putting down tracks to blame the victim and her memory of the events. No doubt they are also trying to build a foundation to keep a crafty teen in juvenile court. Seems to me that the defense forgot to listen to their clients own words to the 911 dispatcher. Not difficult to determine which party is the story teller here. JMO

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Father was also the only victim to have been shot in the back.

Makes one wonder, was it a case of the father being harder to control, harder to “bring down”, or was it anger and overkill.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I am surprised at how this is going down so far...no remorse toward his family, his little sister who survived....and no looking at his mental issues yet...just trying to muddy the water with alternate scenarios? Do they plan to interrogate a traumatized 11-year-old's memories on the stand?

 

[KonaHonu]

I am surprised at how this is going down so far...no remorse toward his family, his little sister who survived....and no looking at his mental issues yet...just trying to muddy the water with alternate scenarios? Do they plan to interrogate a traumatized 11-year-old's memories on the stand?

As of today he has a new lawyer (My Account | KC-Script Portal). I suspect her strategy will be to try to keep it in juvenile court. But time will tell.

 

[Zinn]

Makes one wonder, was it a case of the father being harder to control, harder to “bring down”, or was it anger and overkill.

If I had to guess, I’d guess that wound might have been sustained as the father was either running toward 9M, shielding 9M or hoping to corral 9M into another room for safety. Just a guess.