WA - Civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black, parents say #1

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  • #901
Years ago our neighbors had a prized white German Shepherd. They paraded that poor dog around and bragged on her until the whole town was tired of it.

They had certificates framed on the wall showing that dog's pedigree.

At backyard barbeques this dog was their singular topic of conversation. How bright and intelligent she was, how as soon as she was old enough and the vet cleared her they were going to breed her to another white German Shepherd.

Sure enough the time soon arrived and after painstaking and careful research they found their prized white German Shepherd a suitable mate.

And mated them.

In front of professional dog trainers and handlers and a veterinarian.

About two months later she gave birth to?? A big batch of chocolate lab/shepherd mix puppies. <------(Because someone wasn't telling the truth and dogs don't lie).

:D

Just saying...who really cares about any of this? WHO CARES?

Ask yourself why it is that as a nation we have to swarm in on someone who makes a mistake and just POUND them into the ground.

She lied.

She lost her job.

She's been publicly humiliated.

Her own parents went on national tv and called her out even though from all reports their own household is a den of chaos and anger.

Don't you all have anything better to do than to virtually STONE this woman? Let her identify with who ever she wants.

Spend your energy feeding kids who go hungry all summer long.
Spend your energy visiting some old people who don't get any visitors.

Spend your energy doing ANYTHING ELSE but absolutely slaying someone on the public guillotine of opinion.

As a nation we can do better. As a people we can do better.



Who cares? I care. More specifically. I don't care about what color RD is, nor what color she wants to be, nor what parts of black culture she's interested in owning or living, and I don't think her self-created mess raises any profound issues about identity.

I think the whole discussion about those "issues" is ridiculous, frankly, manufactured by an exposed liar and amplified by the media because spectacles increase ratings. So we have saturation about the spectacle, and little factual context, because that apparently doesn't sell as well.

So why do I care? I care because I'm always interested in people who violate their positions of trust and power, especially when those violators are supposedly advocating for issues I find meaningful. Racial justice is one of those issues.

I also care because liars and bullies bother me. Tremendously. Just do, both in my personal life and in the broader world, for reasons both personal and philosophical, and I don't feel apologetic about my revulsion.

Caring about this story also provided me the unexpected and delightful occasion to examine my own bias towards fundamentalist Christians. I'm appalled at myself that I assumed the worst of her parents, largely because of their beliefs, and that RD and siblings might well have been damaged because of the "rigidity" of those beliefs. I sure wasn't alone in making those assumptions. Reading others' biased assumptions (especially in "lefty" publications) made me aware of my own. I'm glad I cared enough to follow and reflect on this story.

And on that note......RD did not grow up in a chaotic household. That's just inaccurate. It sounds like the introduction of 4 adopted black children may have profoundly changed family dynamics, but how could that not have been the case?

What I haven't heard discussed-probably just as well- is whether or not any or all four of those children had significant deficits when they were adopted. Healthy happy secure folks, black or white, don't put their babies up for adoption. Where I live, for example, black babies in need of foster or adopted homes are virtually certain to have been born addicted to the drugs their mothers used during pregnancy, which increases the odds of lifelong emotional or cognitive impairments. I think it's very likely that RD's parents faced challenges from those adoptions they didn't envision or maybe didn't know how to handle.
 
  • #902
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Whoa, hold up there... first of all, there is an assumption in your post I'd like to dispel; simply because one reads/comments on this issue - or any issue for that matter - does not mean they do not volunteer their time, for example, at their local food pantry, delivering meals-on-wheels, mentoring local at-risk youth, or co-facilitating a battered women's group, etc. Trust me, you can be social-issue active/involved and still care, have thoughts on, AND have a say on other matters and/or issues, such as this. With that said, this woman has committed a fraud that is not without victims; coupled with the fact that she has yet to even admit any wrongdoing, take any personal responsibility whatsoever, and apologize to those she has deceived, used, and exploited for her own gain (:gain" meaning to help advance her narrative). Perhaps people will be more likely to move on when she does so.

MOO ~

Well said.

She hasn't *really* acknowledged she has done anything wrong! Just more excuses and lame word statements.
She was free to live in a black culture, embrace it, help with injustices, etc... instead, she creates a fake life and experiences, with all kinds of victim stories, stories of racisist issues that weren't even there, etc. Just exactly how does that help her son, etc.? Let's be real, it doesn't.

Yes, I'll move on from her 15 minutes of *fame* soon, but it's a shame that she's not able to be honest about what she's done and made up.



P.S. and not to nomoresorrow's post above...but in a general comment from something else stated earlier, there are reasons why some people do not do the "verified poster" action required here. It has to do with giving out personal identifying information. I don't fault anyone for not doing it just to post on a crime forum. Of course, if someone isn't verifed here, other posters are free to decide whether someone knows what the heck they're talking about. :)

JMO
 
  • #903
KHQ is stating RD is refusing to step down from the Omsbudsman position despite being asked to due to issues of misconduct from RD and two other members of the Committee.

https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickerickson/status/611389515266048000/photo/1

""I am deeply disturbed by the letter I received today from the Mayor and city council president requesting my resignation as chair of the office of police ombudsman commission.

I standby my work on behalf of the citizens of Spokane to further justice and promote civilian oversight of law enforcement.

I am sincerely troubled by the short sided conclusions that have so quickly been made with this report. I urge the people of Spokane to take a close look at the timing and intentions of the investigation and request for my resignation.

I will continue to promote greater transparency and accountability for law enforcement both locally and nationally."

Link to the full story here:

http://www.khq.com/story/29346440/r...indings-in-ombudsman-commission-investigation
That article had a link to the City of Spokane website, which has the full report of the investigation and the report attachments, including a lot of emails. Lots to read, but gave quite a bit of insight into the situation. I then clicked onto the video of the May meeting. The poor whistleblower's voice was shaking as she spoke. I felt for her!

ETA direct link to Spokane website:

https://my.spokanecity.org/news/rel...eblower-report-finds-commissioner-misconduct/
 
  • #904
She said she is offended when airport security agents touch her hair. &#8220;Oh no, hell no,&#8221; she said. &#8220;I'm like, 'Get your hands out of my hair!' And no. Like, you know, no. No that's a personal violation. That's a privacy breach.&#8221;
Because she's Rachel Dolezal and the airport security rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to her.

Sorry to quote my own post but I take it back. I saw the actual segment and the interviewer asked her about the hair thing and said people think it's a violation to be searched usually but one of her colleagues said that Rachel probably likes being searched at the airport because it gives her a fuzzy victim feeling. And my impression was that she laughed to cover up how right the colleague was and then did her best to assure everyone that it really was a violation. But she was just echoing what the interviewer had just said that everyone normally should feel. I'm paraphrasing, just a general impression, not the actual words.
 
  • #905
I think we're about to hear even more about Rachel Dolezal's "death threats" during her brief stint as Spokane NAACP President.

I was reading at another site (can't link), that has made a connection between one of the death threat letters sent and postmarked from Oakland, CA to NAACP office in Spokane in late February of this year (the first one-- second one was in May). Because of the public records laws, and the investigation into the ethics violations of RD as a Spokane Police Ombudsman, her official travel records are available to the public.

And guess what? She was in Oakland, CA Feb 17-18 on official business attending training for Risk Management in Law Enforcement. The site has posted copies of restaurant receipts and other travel documents.

What a coincidence, eh? Even more coincidence is that the second mailing in May from Oakland, CA to NAACP in Spokane was determined to be from the same source.

I hope we hear a lot more about this soon. As in, a further criminal investigation and charges. Because I personally think that's just a little more than a coincidence, and think she probably did it herself for attention/ sympathy in her new NAACP President position.

Wouldn't that be interesting (and karma)-- Rachel Dolezal charged with a federal mail hate crime?

http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...sm-after-naacp-president-threatened/24665839/

Actually-- I think this site is allowed to be linked-- it has the receipts.

http://www.colorlines.com/articles/...hel-dolezal-billed-spokane-taxpayers#comments
 
  • #906
RD, during 2014 interview: I feel most comfortable on the east coast, especially in DC, because that's where Howard University is, and it was a safe oasis for me.

RD, in her 2001 lawsuit against Howard for discriminating against her because she was white: Howard University was a hostile workplace for me as white, and I was constantly the target of ridicule and insults and hostility because of my race. White.

RD application to Howard (per 2001 depositions): I told my momma at the age of 3 that everyone is beautiful, but blacks are especially beautiful. RD claims she is transracial (explicitly), and writes of experiences being black.

Howard University, during depositions for 2001 lawsuit, asks RD, did you falsely represent yourself as black to gain admittance to Howard?

RD reply: No. I read about those experiences in history books. I don't think I could pass as African American. I guess I can see how someone could assume that, based on what I wrote. I'm sure I couldn't pass as 100% black. I guess I have to say I am biologically white.
 
  • #907
I think Rachael Donezal's 15 minutes are up because no one will be discussing her since the media has, sadly, moved on to the shooting in S.C. :moo:
 
  • #908
I think we're about to hear even more about Rachel Dolezal's "death threats" during her brief stint as Spokane NAACP President.

I was reading at another site (can't link), that has made a connection between one of the death threat letters sent and postmarked from Oakland, CA to NAACP office in Spokane in late February of this year (the first one-- second one was in May). Because of the public records laws, and the investigation into the ethics violations of RD as a Spokane Police Ombudsman, her official travel records are available to the public.

And guess what? She was in Oakland, CA Feb 17-18 on official business attending training for Risk Management in Law Enforcement. The site has posted copies of restaurant receipts and other travel documents.

What a coincidence, eh? Even more coincidence is that the second mailing in May from Oakland, CA to NAACP in Spokane was determined to be from the same source.

I hope we hear a lot more about this soon. As in, a further criminal investigation and charges. Because I personally think that's just a little more than a coincidence, and think she probably did it herself for attention/ sympathy in her new NAACP President position.

Wouldn't that be interesting (and karma)-- Rachel Dolezal charged with a federal mail hate crime?

http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...sm-after-naacp-president-threatened/24665839/

Actually-- I think this site is allowed to be linked-- it has the receipts.

http://www.colorlines.com/articles/...hel-dolezal-billed-spokane-taxpayers#comments
You know, in that first interview when she was asked if she was white and she left her purse and ran, she mentioned something about "why would someone fly to Oakland" and mail those letters. I thought at the time she was leaking knowledge, but I looked up the distance between the two and thought, nah. SURELY she wouldn't go to such lengths to fly all that way just to mail the letters! But that is VERY interesting that she happened to be there during that timeframe.

I sure hope SPD investigates to see if the date the letters were mailed matches the dates she was there!
 
  • #909
RD, during 2014 interview: I feel most comfortable on the east coast, especially in DC, because that's where Howard University is, and it was a safe oasis for me.

RD, in her 2001 lawsuit against Howard for discriminating against her because she was white: Howard University was a hostile workplace for me as white, and I was constantly the target of ridicule and insults and hostility because of my race. White.

RD application to Howard (per 2001 depositions): I told my momma at the age of 3 that everyone is beautiful, but blacks are especially beautiful. RD claims she is transracial (explicitly), and writes of experiences being black.

Howard University, during depositions for 2001 lawsuit, asks RD, did you falsely represent yourself as black to gain admittance to Howard?

RD reply: No. I read about those experiences in history books. I don't think I could pass as African American. I guess I can see how someone could assume that, based on what I wrote. I'm sure I couldn't pass as 100% black. I guess I have to say I am biologically white.
Do you have a link where we can read depositions? That's some fascinating stuff there.
 
  • #910
It's an utterly fascinating story because of the degree of falsehoods and misleading statements that she is able to explain away without taking any responsibility and because she leaks so much while she lies.

If a person doesn't want that kind of publicity, perhaps it'd be wise not to build their lives on massive webs of lies.

It's just a matter of time until such a bubble bursts. There's six degrees to Kevin Bacon and somebody always knows somebody who knows somebody who knew who your father used to be when you were a child.
 
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Do you have a link where we can read depositions? That's some fascinating stuff there.


Sorry, on Kindle and don't know how to cut and paste on this. I haven't seen the depositions (woukd like to though). Quotes from the depos can be found on ksl.com (local Spokane site) and the same quotes are in today's online Toronto Sun.
 
  • #913
It's an utterly fascinating story because of the degree of falsehoods and misleading statements that she is able to explain away without taking any responsibility and because she leaks so much while she lies.

If a person doesn't want that kind of publicity, perhaps it'd be wise not to build their lives on massive webs of lies.

It's just a matter of time until such a bubble bursts. There's six degrees to Kevin Bacon and somebody always knows somebody who knows somebody who knew who your father used to be when you were a child.

Is there a possibility that one of the reasons she appears to us to not take any responsibility is because she, herself actually BELIEVES it.

I watched an interview with her and the reporter shows her that photo of her dad and you can see her face distorting, she just is faced with the absolute truth right there in front of her and it reminded me of forcing a delusional patient to face the truth.

I've known people like this and it seems that they don't actually intend, their intentions are that they are trying to escape or believe in it so badly that they just keep on building it up.

This is different to me, than when someone lies about oh, say selling a car and they KNOW something is seriously wrong with the car and sell it to you anyway. Or they purposely cheat and lie on their taxes and know they are doing it.
 
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You know, in that first interview when she was asked if she was white and she left her purse and ran, she mentioned something about "why would someone fly to Oakland" and mail those letters. I thought at the time she was leaking knowledge, but I looked up the distance between the two and thought, nah. SURELY she wouldn't go to such lengths to fly all that way just to mail the letters! But that is VERY interesting that she happened to be there during that timeframe.

I sure hope SPD investigates to see if the date the letters were mailed matches the dates she was there!

There could be fairly serious charges, IMO, if able to be proven, because of the interstate federal mail fraud angle. In addition to hate crime, etc.

Mail[edit]

18 U.S.C. § 1341 provides:
Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a Presidential declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.[1]

BBM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

I think she very likely did this, and I hope they find the proof to charge and convict her.
 
  • #916
Is there a possibility that one of the reasons she appears to us to not take any responsibility is because she, herself actually BELIEVES it.

I watched an interview with her and the reporter shows her that photo of her dad and you can see her face distorting, she just is faced with the absolute truth right there in front of her and it reminded me of forcing a delusional patient to face the truth.

I've known people like this and it seems that they don't actually intend, their intentions are that they are trying to escape or believe in it so badly that they just keep on building it up.

This is different to me, than when someone lies about oh, say selling a car and they KNOW something is seriously wrong with the car and sell it to you anyway. Or they purposely cheat and lie on their taxes and know they are doing it.

Well she might believe that she should rightfully be black and knows how to suffer as a black woman better than anybody else. But in my opinion she knows exactly which false statements of hers have been misleading, creatively fictional or thoughtfully made decisions to improve the survival of her loved ones, or whatever. She pauses before answering, runs off mid interview, launches into word salad explanations that don't answer the question, admits that she knew it wasn't true but she just didn't correct the reporter because of the big picture, or something...

JMO she's not stupid or delusional, she couldn't have carried this off this long. Even if she really thinks that she is somehow an honorary black in her soul she knew that's not how other people were going to see it if they knew all that she'd mislead them about.

And even if we allow her the transracial identity there's still lying about teepees and South Africa and who her father was, and the police reports that look very likely to be false, at least some of them.

She knows her stories were false, otherwise she wouldn't have had so many bad explanations why they weren't lies.

MOO.
 
  • #917
IMO, there was a payoff somewhere for RD personally. Truthfully, if she wants to be black, go ahead. I just wish she didn't hurt people along the way. I feel badly for the man with the ropes that he used for skinning his deer that she accused of a hate crime. And sending herself hate mail and then reporting it. What a waste of LE resources. Hopefully she will apologize or do whatever she has to do, to seek forgiveness from those she has harmed.

Truthfully, I have tried to pass myself off as a rich supermodel and a size 0, but alas, seeing is believing and all people saw was a short, plump, white woman in need of diamonds. :)
 
  • #918
I think Rachael Donezal's 15 minutes are up because no one will be discussing her since the media has, sadly, moved on to the shooting in S.C. :moo:


Her ability to frame or influence what's said about her is over, thank goodness. What's beginning to come out are the details- documented- about her lies and fraud and unethical conduct. That's what is of most interest to me, and IMO, the most relevant aspect of this story.
 
  • #919
I was trying to add some humor as things get a little steamed here. I enjoy reading all the POVs expressed here, even if I don't always agree, I still appreciate them.
 
  • #920
That article had a link to the City of Spokane website, which has the full report of the investigation and the report attachments, including a lot of emails. Lots to read, but gave quite a bit of insight into the situation. I then clicked onto the video of the May meeting. The poor whistleblower's voice was shaking as she spoke. I felt for her!

ETA direct link to Spokane website:

https://my.spokanecity.org/news/rel...eblower-report-finds-commissioner-misconduct/


I don't see a link to the full report included in the article, maybe because I'm on a Kindle. Do you have a direct link by any chance?
 
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